| Millwall fans behaviour today ? 19:32 - Dec 5 with 5806 views | KeithHaynes |
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| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 15:31 - Dec 6 with 770 views | jasper_T |
| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 13:49 - Dec 6 by Dr_Parnassus |
I’m not, they are demonstrably linked.
The kneeling and black power fist is the sign of BLM, the organisation. That organisation was founded by marxists and has huge racist and anti Semitic links with clear goals to dismantle the western nuclear family, abolish the police and destroy capitalism.
That movement joined with ANTIFA is what has been attacking American cities for the best part of a year.
As I said, football has a Kick it Out campaign. If this is really about race then let’s do something involving them that isn’t politically connected and get everybody on board.
But of course, it’s all about politics so that wouldn’t have the desired effect. |
You're one of those people who opposes all anti-fascist action because you've been told there's a scary ANTIFA organisation out plotting terrorism, aren't you.
Same types of people booing anti-racist statements because there's a supposedly a BLM organisation that doesn't really care about racism it's all about Marxism, antisemitism and other conspiracy theory garbage. Really they'r just looking for any excuse to justify their racism. Any anti-racist movement that actually wants to achieve something is "too political, boo!"
Made your mind up 15 years ago and proud of it. Says it all. |  | | |
| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 15:53 - Dec 6 with 741 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 15:09 - Dec 6 by Kilkennyjack |
Smelly frog like b@stard Farage supports Millwall fans.
That is confirmation that we should support BLM, without a doubt.
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Sorry I i am happy with the South Wales police force and believe children are best brought up with mother and father at the family home. This is the tradiitional Welsh way. Obviously things have liberalised over the decades but the aims should be the same.
Farage is about to set off a wrecking ball to Welsh industry and farming. His model is London agencies cheaply importing food and gadets from the far east nd USA and applying handling storage and profit margin in fees to customers. Commission fees and easy money is wht Farge understands from the city of London. [Post edited 6 Dec 2020 15:54]
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| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 16:53 - Dec 6 with 691 views | Kilkennyjack |
Piers is quite correct |  |
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| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 16:56 - Dec 6 with 695 views | Andy1300 |
| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 16:53 - Dec 6 by Kilkennyjack |
Piers is quite correct |
So what if they boo when teams don’t take the knee, what then? |  |
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| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 17:02 - Dec 6 with 693 views | Lohengrin |
| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 16:53 - Dec 6 by Kilkennyjack |
Piers is quite correct |
“Piers” is a repulsive individual who for one reason or another seems to continually crop up in photographs with sex offenders. |  |
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| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 17:08 - Dec 6 with 685 views | Lohengrin |
| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 13:56 - Dec 6 by dobjack2 |
The lack of British born Black managers is a fact not a fantasy. Why that is the case needs to be understood and any barriers addressed. |
British-born black men make up what? 1.5% of the UK population, or thereabouts? | |
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| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 18:12 - Dec 6 with 658 views | Chief |
| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 12:35 - Dec 6 by Jack59 |
I am supporting the team financially through my season ticket. I am 100% against sporting teams making political statements or gestures during the match that I have paid to see.
If I had been advised before I bought my season ticket that players would be doing this before each game, I would not have purchased my ticket, it's my choice.
I have no issue with the occasional minutes silence for ex- players on a match by match basis, I expect that to happen and am always happy to support it.
In any case, is there anything more discriminatory in football than the pathetic number of women officiating. Obviously women are not being given equal opportunities in this regard and it needs to be highlighted. Next year, maybe the team should curtsy before kick off in support of womens opportunities in the professional game. |
Presumably you boo when the Swans players have a poppy on their shirts too then? |  |
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| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 19:03 - Dec 6 with 638 views | 9MilesHigh |
| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 17:08 - Dec 6 by Lohengrin |
British-born black men make up what? 1.5% of the UK population, or thereabouts? |
What's that got to do with this? You haven't got to be British to be a football manager in this country.
What percentage of footballers in the English leagues are black. Let's start there. |  | | |
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| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 19:09 - Dec 6 with 636 views | dobjack2 |
| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 17:08 - Dec 6 by Lohengrin |
British-born black men make up what? 1.5% of the UK population, or thereabouts? |
Nice try - but they make up a much bigger percentage of footballers | | | |
| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 19:18 - Dec 6 with 625 views | Lohengrin |
| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 19:03 - Dec 6 by 9MilesHigh |
What's that got to do with this? You haven't got to be British to be a football manager in this country.
What percentage of footballers in the English leagues are black. Let's start there. |
British-born was the question Dobjack posed. I already pointed out in a previous post just how varied the appointments were, that it was the opposite of a closed shop.
How many black players in the league overall? Where would you put it, at a third perhaps, maybe a bit less? | |
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| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 19:23 - Dec 6 with 619 views | Lohengrin |
| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 19:09 - Dec 6 by dobjack2 |
Nice try - but they make up a much bigger percentage of footballers |
But only a tiny fraction of players of any background make it into management.
I have great difficulty believing that there is any bar to progression for the right candidate, irrespective of race in football. Especially in football. | |
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| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 19:31 - Dec 6 with 610 views | 9MilesHigh |
| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 19:18 - Dec 6 by Lohengrin |
British-born was the question Dobjack posed. I already pointed out in a previous post just how varied the appointments were, that it was the opposite of a closed shop.
How many black players in the league overall? Where would you put it, at a third perhaps, maybe a bit less? |
So logically speaking you'd think a third would be in management.
No point chucking red herrings out there now is there. | | | |
| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 19:31 - Dec 6 with 609 views | andrew |
It’s nothing to do with millwall fans being racist, it’s to do with the knee, a symbol of BLM. Fans don’t want that sort of riffraff in the game.
An armband saying kick it out, team photo of both teams mixed with their arms round eachother, no to racism messages ok advertising boards yes! Taking the knee like the thugs at BLM were forcing the police to do is a no no. | |
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| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 19:33 - Dec 6 with 607 views | 9MilesHigh |
| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 19:23 - Dec 6 by Lohengrin |
But only a tiny fraction of players of any background make it into management.
I have great difficulty believing that there is any bar to progression for the right candidate, irrespective of race in football. Especially in football. |
No chance,. there is a thick glass ceiling, but I do concede some ground and refer to my earlier posts.
It's the lack of leadership qualities PLUS an element of racism, that's the problem. | | | |
| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 19:35 - Dec 6 with 605 views | Lohengrin |
| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 19:31 - Dec 6 by 9MilesHigh |
So logically speaking you'd think a third would be in management.
No point chucking red herrings out there now is there. |
Well, no. Hardly any pro footballers end up in management. There aren’t that many opportunities full stop. | |
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| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 19:38 - Dec 6 with 601 views | Lohengrin |
| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 19:33 - Dec 6 by 9MilesHigh |
No chance,. there is a thick glass ceiling, but I do concede some ground and refer to my earlier posts.
It's the lack of leadership qualities PLUS an element of racism, that's the problem. |
I just don’t see it, | |
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| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 19:43 - Dec 6 with 597 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 15:31 - Dec 6 by jasper_T |
You're one of those people who opposes all anti-fascist action because you've been told there's a scary ANTIFA organisation out plotting terrorism, aren't you.
Same types of people booing anti-racist statements because there's a supposedly a BLM organisation that doesn't really care about racism it's all about Marxism, antisemitism and other conspiracy theory garbage. Really they'r just looking for any excuse to justify their racism. Any anti-racist movement that actually wants to achieve something is "too political, boo!"
Made your mind up 15 years ago and proud of it. Says it all. |
And this post in a nutshell is why a large part of society hates these divisive movements. Full of selected quotes implied to mean something clearly far removed from the context, intentionally broad and inaccurate brushstrokes to widen what constitutes racism and fascism in order to attack someone. It’s embarrassing.
So let’s unpack that utter mess of a post:-
- I am not any “type of person” to do anything. I haven’t been “told”they are scary in the slightest, often they show laughable levels of combat skills, many are green haired skinny college students along for the ride. While showing low levels of combat skills, they show high levels of actual fascism. They are violent, knuckle dragging morons that wouldn’t know the word fascism if they tripped over it. Give me an anti fascist movement that ACTUALLY stands up to fascism and I will support it, ANTIFA doesn’t even come close to fulfilling even the smallest anti fascist briefs... maybe it’s their name that is confusing you? It was meant to.
- So let me get this right. I say openly “booing is wrong and I don’t condone it”... my exact words right there, taken from this very thread. And that means I am the type to boo anti-racism statements in your ridiculous eyes?
Do you see why people hate this nonsense? It’s because of people like you, that are so desperate to find anything in order to call someone a racist or fascist so you can abuse them. Even if it’s clearly not there, you will make it up and introduce wild supposition. Ironically fascist movements tend to do that was a technique of both the Communist Chinese red army and the Hitler youth. Are you sure you are against fascism? You sound awfully... “fascisty”.
- “made my mind up 15 years ago and proud of it”. SAYS IT ALL.
Such a funny statement to make when in fact it’s the opposite, it says nothing close to “all” as you intentionally removed all context and created your own in the hope someone wouldn’t have read my initial statement. 9 miles asked me something along the lines of how long I had my political beliefs because I never used to speak of them previously, I said if these discussions were had 15 years ago I would have had these same discussions back then. I have always been for common sense, always for equality, always people first - which is why I opposed such destructive organisations like BLM while supporting organisations like Kick it Out. But as stated, it isn’t about race - it’s about politics which is why people now insist of going the intentionally divisive route instead of the inclusive one.
And yes I am proud of that, as most sane people on this earth are in my opinion. Next time you decide to make such nonsensical interpretations of my posts intentionally, know your audience. I’ll rip it to shreds.
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| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 20:17 - Dec 6 with 572 views | 1983 |
Playing devils advocate maybe just maybe it's nothing to do with be racist but perhaps people have got the message now simple as that, lets all wipe our mouths now and move on.
How long does this go on for 3 days, 3 weeks, 3 months, 3 years? [Post edited 6 Dec 2020 20:17]
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| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 20:31 - Dec 6 with 553 views | 9MilesHigh |
| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 19:35 - Dec 6 by Lohengrin |
Well, no. Hardly any pro footballers end up in management. There aren’t that many opportunities full stop. |
But the ones that do are white. A huge percentage of the assumed 66% (your stats)
Whereas next to no one from the 33% are.
Those figures don't stack up no matter how you dress it. | | | |
| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 20:34 - Dec 6 with 547 views | 9MilesHigh |
| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 19:43 - Dec 6 by Dr_Parnassus |
And this post in a nutshell is why a large part of society hates these divisive movements. Full of selected quotes implied to mean something clearly far removed from the context, intentionally broad and inaccurate brushstrokes to widen what constitutes racism and fascism in order to attack someone. It’s embarrassing.
So let’s unpack that utter mess of a post:-
- I am not any “type of person” to do anything. I haven’t been “told”they are scary in the slightest, often they show laughable levels of combat skills, many are green haired skinny college students along for the ride. While showing low levels of combat skills, they show high levels of actual fascism. They are violent, knuckle dragging morons that wouldn’t know the word fascism if they tripped over it. Give me an anti fascist movement that ACTUALLY stands up to fascism and I will support it, ANTIFA doesn’t even come close to fulfilling even the smallest anti fascist briefs... maybe it’s their name that is confusing you? It was meant to.
- So let me get this right. I say openly “booing is wrong and I don’t condone it”... my exact words right there, taken from this very thread. And that means I am the type to boo anti-racism statements in your ridiculous eyes?
Do you see why people hate this nonsense? It’s because of people like you, that are so desperate to find anything in order to call someone a racist or fascist so you can abuse them. Even if it’s clearly not there, you will make it up and introduce wild supposition. Ironically fascist movements tend to do that was a technique of both the Communist Chinese red army and the Hitler youth. Are you sure you are against fascism? You sound awfully... “fascisty”.
- “made my mind up 15 years ago and proud of it”. SAYS IT ALL.
Such a funny statement to make when in fact it’s the opposite, it says nothing close to “all” as you intentionally removed all context and created your own in the hope someone wouldn’t have read my initial statement. 9 miles asked me something along the lines of how long I had my political beliefs because I never used to speak of them previously, I said if these discussions were had 15 years ago I would have had these same discussions back then. I have always been for common sense, always for equality, always people first - which is why I opposed such destructive organisations like BLM while supporting organisations like Kick it Out. But as stated, it isn’t about race - it’s about politics which is why people now insist of going the intentionally divisive route instead of the inclusive one.
And yes I am proud of that, as most sane people on this earth are in my opinion. Next time you decide to make such nonsensical interpretations of my posts intentionally, know your audience. I’ll rip it to shreds.
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What time is it over there mate? Have you been dreaming about getting back on here as soon as the alarm went off?
You're in your element now eh ;-) Your element, Farage's, Bannons, Hartley Brewer. Fine company. | | | |
| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 20:39 - Dec 6 with 533 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 20:34 - Dec 6 by 9MilesHigh |
What time is it over there mate? Have you been dreaming about getting back on here as soon as the alarm went off?
You're in your element now eh ;-) Your element, Farage's, Bannons, Hartley Brewer. Fine company. |
And you have been daydreaming of replying no doubt ;)
I will always stand up for what I believe in, as will you. You currently believe the organisation BLM is all sweetness and light, I don’t.
It really boils down to that.
I’ve given you my reasons why it isn’t so and also the obvious affect it is having on the cause. You continue to want to support it. That’s your choice and haven’t attacked you for it even though I think it’s destructive.
Choices and freedom. Thankfully it’s something to value. | |
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| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 20:39 - Dec 6 with 532 views | Andy1300 |
| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 20:31 - Dec 6 by 9MilesHigh |
But the ones that do are white. A huge percentage of the assumed 66% (your stats)
Whereas next to no one from the 33% are.
Those figures don't stack up no matter how you dress it. |
So do you think there should be quotas for jobs?
Say we were looking for a black manager and we had to select a black person to fulfil the quota, what if that black manager wasn’t right for the job, would you be happy with that? | |
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| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 20:40 - Dec 6 with 529 views | dobjack2 |
| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 19:23 - Dec 6 by Lohengrin |
But only a tiny fraction of players of any background make it into management.
I have great difficulty believing that there is any bar to progression for the right candidate, irrespective of race in football. Especially in football. |
I appreciate that you have difficulties but There’s an interesting article by Terry Connor on sky sports that you should google. | | | |
| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 20:44 - Dec 6 with 519 views | Gwyn737 |
| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 20:39 - Dec 6 by Andy1300 |
So do you think there should be quotas for jobs?
Say we were looking for a black manager and we had to select a black person to fulfil the quota, what if that black manager wasn’t right for the job, would you be happy with that? |
I don’t think it’s got anything to do with quotas - it’s more about opportunities. | | | |
| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 20:49 - Dec 6 with 508 views | Andy1300 |
| Millwall fans behaviour today ? on 20:44 - Dec 6 by Gwyn737 |
I don’t think it’s got anything to do with quotas - it’s more about opportunities. |
Try telling the BBC , the police et al, they believe in quotas for minorities, won’t be long and it won’t be the best person gets the job, it will be the one that fits the quota. | |
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