| Drakeford and vaccines 19:27 - Feb 6 with 9890 views | exhmrc1 |
For all you Drakeford, Gething and WG slaters on here Wales has currently vaccinated more than any other UK nation.
Wales has overtaken England to lead the UK on the rate of the population getting a first dose of Covid vaccine.
More than 550,000 people in the top priority groups have been given their first doses of Covid vaccines in Wales.
It means 17.7% of the Welsh population has been vaccinated, compared to 17.5 % of the population in England, 14.4% in Scotland and 15.3% in Northern Ireland.
This has been done at the same time as having nearly half the current infection rate as England and without dragging over 80s miles for vaccinations.
Well done to all concerned. |  | | |  |
| Drakeford and vaccines on 10:33 - Feb 26 with 427 views | onehunglow |
| Drakeford and vaccines on 10:20 - Feb 26 by Catullus |
As far as I remember only the 2 week firebreak was something we did earlier than Bojo. The lockdown at Chritsmas was triggered by Westminsters advice though Drakeford managed to wedge himself onto tv a few hours earlier than Bojo.
exHMRC goes on about international travel but the Senedd didn't shut Cardiff airport down and Ryanair was still doing flights, refusing to stop unless the Senedd closed the airport,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-
We are still in the same place, as far as taxman is concerned anything right is Drakeford, anything wrong is Bojo.
As someone else said, at least Wales can thank Bojo for the vaccine supplies. If we'd been in the EU we would have had precious little of it. |
Cat.
It really is as I suggest
Left is best
Right is wrong.
It matters not what the subject is.
We have a nation of the most traditional labour voters in the UK. Class hatred ,envy of wealth,suspicion of authority,despising of success and profit. Not for noting are Tory voters refered to as vile | |
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| Drakeford and vaccines on 11:11 - Feb 26 with 407 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Drakeford and vaccines on 10:33 - Feb 26 by onehunglow |
Cat.
It really is as I suggest
Left is best
Right is wrong.
It matters not what the subject is.
We have a nation of the most traditional labour voters in the UK. Class hatred ,envy of wealth,suspicion of authority,despising of success and profit. Not for noting are Tory voters refered to as vile |
Left only brings poverty to all just see what happened in Venezuela. The far left has always led to mass murders in Russian, China, Cambodia etc .
Centre right has always been the best for improvements to the standard of living for all.
Left means bringing everyone down to the same low level. | |
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| Drakeford and vaccines on 11:37 - Feb 26 with 406 views | Scotia |
I've got my second vaccine next Wednesday. 6 weeks after my first.
The vaccine roll out cannot be faulted. | | | |
| Drakeford and vaccines on 11:47 - Feb 26 with 399 views | Scotia |
Is this a first?
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/
Today's covid update from WG is to be delivered by two Dr's.
It's a week since were promised a road map out of this situation. Scotland and England have theirs. Northern Ireland's is to come on Monday.
Wales have a very vague idea of what may happen at some point over the next six weeks, which is understandably very little.
Where is Drakeford?
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/
He's making a speech to his party demanding "home rule" for Wales instead of speaking to the nation. We don't know when people will earn their next full pay packet and he's trying to win the youth vote from Plaid.
With no politicial bias - surely this man is unfit to be in this role? Is this really a priority? Does he not understand this situation at all? Disgraceful. | | | |
| Drakeford and vaccines on 13:16 - Feb 26 with 391 views | exhmrc1 |
| Drakeford and vaccines on 11:47 - Feb 26 by Scotia |
Is this a first?
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/
Today's covid update from WG is to be delivered by two Dr's.
It's a week since were promised a road map out of this situation. Scotland and England have theirs. Northern Ireland's is to come on Monday.
Wales have a very vague idea of what may happen at some point over the next six weeks, which is understandably very little.
Where is Drakeford?
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/
He's making a speech to his party demanding "home rule" for Wales instead of speaking to the nation. We don't know when people will earn their next full pay packet and he's trying to win the youth vote from Plaid.
With no politicial bias - surely this man is unfit to be in this role? Is this really a priority? Does he not understand this situation at all? Disgraceful. |
Surprise, surprise an attack on Mark Drakeford from his main critic. Questions on NHS, vaccinations and the vaccination programme answered by the people best able to answer them yet you dont want to hear it from the main people ie the ones who actually advise Mark Drakeford.
Any thing to criticise him you will just as you have all along. Sad. | | | |
| Drakeford and vaccines on 13:33 - Feb 26 with 383 views | felixstowe_jack |
Just seen the midday briefing in Wales. What an improvement by the two men giving it. A vast improvement on dithering drakeford and Vaughan Guessing.
The two doctors gave the briefing without trying to score political points. They even said it was a good idea that Swansea Bay health authority was going to copy the English testing model and start testing more people not just the people who had the three main symptoms. | |
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| Drakeford and vaccines on 13:58 - Feb 26 with 382 views | Scotia |
| Drakeford and vaccines on 13:16 - Feb 26 by exhmrc1 |
Surprise, surprise an attack on Mark Drakeford from his main critic. Questions on NHS, vaccinations and the vaccination programme answered by the people best able to answer them yet you dont want to hear it from the main people ie the ones who actually advise Mark Drakeford.
Any thing to criticise him you will just as you have all along. Sad. |
Do you think the First Minister putting two non elected civil servants to front up his usual press conference slot during the biggest crisis in 80 years is acceptable?
I'm sorry I don't.
He provides ample evidence to criticise him unfortunately. I wish he didn't. You really need to question how you can defend the man after things like this?
The press couldn't ask anything other than about the NHS and vaccinations because that is all that could be answered.
Drakeford was too busy trying to get re-elected.
Another question you won't answer:-
What would you say if Boris let Prof Whitty and Prof Vallance front up a Downing Street press conference? | | | |
| Drakeford and vaccines on 14:04 - Feb 26 with 376 views | Catullus |
| Drakeford and vaccines on 13:16 - Feb 26 by exhmrc1 |
Surprise, surprise an attack on Mark Drakeford from his main critic. Questions on NHS, vaccinations and the vaccination programme answered by the people best able to answer them yet you dont want to hear it from the main people ie the ones who actually advise Mark Drakeford.
Any thing to criticise him you will just as you have all along. Sad. |
That is where you are, eternally. When Bojo ducked questions he was pilloried by the left wing, Kilk was all over it.
Yet when Drakeford hides it's the right thing to do? | |
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| Drakeford and vaccines on 14:08 - Feb 26 with 374 views | Catullus |
| Drakeford and vaccines on 13:16 - Feb 26 by exhmrc1 |
Surprise, surprise an attack on Mark Drakeford from his main critic. Questions on NHS, vaccinations and the vaccination programme answered by the people best able to answer them yet you dont want to hear it from the main people ie the ones who actually advise Mark Drakeford.
Any thing to criticise him you will just as you have all along. Sad. |
Come on then,lets hear it. The Senedd didn't close Cardiff Airport and you have always said international travel was wrong during all this so, will you criticise Drakeford for not closing down Cardiff airport?
I don't think anyone, least of all you can claim it'd be unfair. | |
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| Drakeford and vaccines on 14:12 - Feb 26 with 373 views | onehunglow |
It's all down to wingers Cat.
Best ask Builthy or Fireboy to elaborate | |
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| Drakeford and vaccines on 14:15 - Feb 26 with 367 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Drakeford and vaccines on 13:58 - Feb 26 by Scotia |
Do you think the First Minister putting two non elected civil servants to front up his usual press conference slot during the biggest crisis in 80 years is acceptable?
I'm sorry I don't.
He provides ample evidence to criticise him unfortunately. I wish he didn't. You really need to question how you can defend the man after things like this?
The press couldn't ask anything other than about the NHS and vaccinations because that is all that could be answered.
Drakeford was too busy trying to get re-elected.
Another question you won't answer:-
What would you say if Boris let Prof Whitty and Prof Vallance front up a Downing Street press conference? |
Perhaps everyone at the senedd was working from home and staying local. | |
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| Drakeford and vaccines on 14:35 - Feb 26 with 359 views | exhmrc1 |
| Drakeford and vaccines on 14:04 - Feb 26 by Catullus |
That is where you are, eternally. When Bojo ducked questions he was pilloried by the left wing, Kilk was all over it.
Yet when Drakeford hides it's the right thing to do? |
Frank Atherton and Andrew Goodall regularly take the press conference normally on Wednesday's. If a question is asked about an outbreak in Ysbyty Bangor who is better placed to answer it. The head of the Welsh NHS or a politician. When a question is asked about the decision to agree to the vaccine programme. Who is better placed to answer it. The Medical Director who was part of the decision or a politician. People might notice Boris Johnson isnt always in these meeting and often has an adviser with him.
The politicians should be following the advice of their chief Medical and scientific advisers. Drakeford in fairness does that. Johnson doesnt and that is the major part of why we are in the mess we are in.
Johnson opens things up against his medical advice. The papers have reported the decision in England to open all schools has been made against Chris Whitty's advice. This is backed up by the fact Wales and Scotland have initially opened primary schools only.
I think it was OHG who suggested there should have been a consensus and decisions should have been made by the advisers. I totally agree with this view.
Mark Drakeford isnt the only person involved and doesnt always hold the press conference. You only have to look at the English conferences to see Raab, Sunak, Gove, Williamson, Hancock, Patel, Shapps etc taking them. This is a non issue because Drakeford is at the conference. Throughout this pandemic Drakeford has actually hosted more conferenced than Johnson has. | | | |
| Drakeford and vaccines on 14:37 - Feb 26 with 357 views | Catullus |
| Drakeford and vaccines on 14:35 - Feb 26 by exhmrc1 |
Frank Atherton and Andrew Goodall regularly take the press conference normally on Wednesday's. If a question is asked about an outbreak in Ysbyty Bangor who is better placed to answer it. The head of the Welsh NHS or a politician. When a question is asked about the decision to agree to the vaccine programme. Who is better placed to answer it. The Medical Director who was part of the decision or a politician. People might notice Boris Johnson isnt always in these meeting and often has an adviser with him.
The politicians should be following the advice of their chief Medical and scientific advisers. Drakeford in fairness does that. Johnson doesnt and that is the major part of why we are in the mess we are in.
Johnson opens things up against his medical advice. The papers have reported the decision in England to open all schools has been made against Chris Whitty's advice. This is backed up by the fact Wales and Scotland have initially opened primary schools only.
I think it was OHG who suggested there should have been a consensus and decisions should have been made by the advisers. I totally agree with this view.
Mark Drakeford isnt the only person involved and doesnt always hold the press conference. You only have to look at the English conferences to see Raab, Sunak, Gove, Williamson, Hancock, Patel, Shapps etc taking them. This is a non issue because Drakeford is at the conference. Throughout this pandemic Drakeford has actually hosted more conferenced than Johnson has. |
Answer the question about the airport, come on..... | |
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| Drakeford and vaccines on 14:44 - Feb 26 with 355 views | exhmrc1 |
| Drakeford and vaccines on 14:08 - Feb 26 by Catullus |
Come on then,lets hear it. The Senedd didn't close Cardiff Airport and you have always said international travel was wrong during all this so, will you criticise Drakeford for not closing down Cardiff airport?
I don't think anyone, least of all you can claim it'd be unfair. |
I think I have made my view absolutely clear that overseas travel should not have been allowed and that includes Cardiff Airport. I believe our borders shouldnt have been left open to allow people to bring back viruses. However the issue of borders is a UK issue and isnt devolved and anyone coming through an airport anywhere in the UK goes through UK border control and not English or Welsh control. Yes I believe Cardiff Airport should have remained closed along with others elsewhere. The failure to do this has been the catalyst for the increase in cases we have suffered since with people bringing back viruses from abroad and now letting the South African virus in. However many Welsh people come in through airports other than Cardiff and ALL should have been kept closed. Had we done so we would have been in a far better position now and many businesses would not be under lockdown. Look at the figures showing the rise. It isnt rocket science. | | | |
| Drakeford and vaccines on 15:28 - Feb 26 with 350 views | controversial_jack |
| Drakeford and vaccines on 11:11 - Feb 26 by felixstowe_jack |
Left only brings poverty to all just see what happened in Venezuela. The far left has always led to mass murders in Russian, China, Cambodia etc .
Centre right has always been the best for improvements to the standard of living for all.
Left means bringing everyone down to the same low level. |
What happened in Venezuela wasn't an uprising by working class people against socialism, it was an orchestrated coup by big corps and the middle classes backed by the US . Not to mention the sanctions , there are always sanctions put on these left wing countries by the US. The govt there had the support of the working classes and of the military You obviously don't know that going by your comments | | | |
| Drakeford and vaccines on 15:37 - Feb 26 with 348 views | Catullus |
| Drakeford and vaccines on 14:44 - Feb 26 by exhmrc1 |
I think I have made my view absolutely clear that overseas travel should not have been allowed and that includes Cardiff Airport. I believe our borders shouldnt have been left open to allow people to bring back viruses. However the issue of borders is a UK issue and isnt devolved and anyone coming through an airport anywhere in the UK goes through UK border control and not English or Welsh control. Yes I believe Cardiff Airport should have remained closed along with others elsewhere. The failure to do this has been the catalyst for the increase in cases we have suffered since with people bringing back viruses from abroad and now letting the South African virus in. However many Welsh people come in through airports other than Cardiff and ALL should have been kept closed. Had we done so we would have been in a far better position now and many businesses would not be under lockdown. Look at the figures showing the rise. It isnt rocket science. |
Cardiff airport is owned by Wales, the Senedd, as owners, could have closed it for the duration, but they didn't.
Just like Drakeford dithered over the border issue and he dithered over Christmas. Bojo made mistakes but Wales didn't have to copy them.
People believe that is because Drakeford wants the get out clause of being able to blame Bojo as he so often does. In many devolved areas the blame is still hurled at Westminster. | |
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| Drakeford and vaccines on 16:46 - Feb 26 with 329 views | exhmrc1 |
| Drakeford and vaccines on 15:37 - Feb 26 by Catullus |
Cardiff airport is owned by Wales, the Senedd, as owners, could have closed it for the duration, but they didn't.
Just like Drakeford dithered over the border issue and he dithered over Christmas. Bojo made mistakes but Wales didn't have to copy them.
People believe that is because Drakeford wants the get out clause of being able to blame Bojo as he so often does. In many devolved areas the blame is still hurled at Westminster. |
Maybe it isnt as simple as you make out
The Welsh Government, on behalf of the Welsh Ministers, operates CIAL as an arms length public corporation.
The border issue I assume you are referring to the Wales/England border. If it is he has no control over it. We are part of the UK and do not have the right to prevent cross border travel. Maybe in the future we might be an independent and if that happens we will have rights on controlling border with a Trumpian type fence and check points. Until that time people have free right of travel from England to Wales.
As far as Christmas is concerned many including on here had called for a joint approach which was eventually agreed across all UK countries. Eventually it became apparent that the arrangements put in place werent going to work. Sometimes to get agreements you need to compromise and that is what the initial agreement was as called for by so many.
It became clear that due to the worsening situation in Wales Drakeford needed to act and he did so and brought in lockdown earlier than the other nations and the result is that Wales has had the lowest rate of all UK nations over recent weeks and it had nothing to do with different viruses.
In Mid December the Kent virus was found in 57 counties 6 of which were in Wales which is the highest proportion of areas in any country in the UK.
Data from Public Health Wales shows how the number of cases in Wrexham and Flintshire shot up from November 30 - around the same time the ‘Kent variant’ was first identified in the region.
Within three weeks, the number of confirmed cases had more than doubled from 817 to 1,965 - with 40% of cases in Wrexham.
Over Christmas from December 21 to December 27, the numbers almost quadrupled from 817 to 3,139 to the week ending January 3. | | | |
| Drakeford and vaccines on 16:50 - Feb 26 with 327 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Drakeford and vaccines on 15:28 - Feb 26 by controversial_jack |
What happened in Venezuela wasn't an uprising by working class people against socialism, it was an orchestrated coup by big corps and the middle classes backed by the US . Not to mention the sanctions , there are always sanctions put on these left wing countries by the US. The govt there had the support of the working classes and of the military You obviously don't know that going by your comments |
They people voted for a left wing government who promptly nationalised the old industry and used it's cash to give to the people. Meanwhile the now state owned oil company no longer bothered with maintenance or drilling new oil Wells. Oil production plummeted and together will lower oil prices resulted in Venezuela defaulting on it's debt repayments. Sanctions were only applied after they default on loans.
Another consequence of the left wing government giving every citizen a payment whether they worked or not resulted in farmers workers having more money by not working . Result Venezuela which was pretty much self sufficient in food production now had to import food to feed it's people. Because they had very little oil money they could not do this or import medical supplied. This left the people starving and dieing due to lack of food or basic medical supplies.
Over 2 million Venezuelans have left their own country just to survive.
A tradegy for what was the richest country in South America.
I do wish you would do some basic research first. | |
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