| Your views on the British military 18:30 - Mar 16 with 8611 views | KeithHaynes |
All three services plus the off shoots, Whats your opinion on having an armed force ? |  |
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| Your views on the British military on 13:01 - Mar 22 with 686 views | controversial_jack |
| Your views on the British military on 12:56 - Mar 22 by onehunglow |
I agree with you mostly and certainly about National service.If it's ok for a free socialist country like Finland then it should be for us.
The problem is with our scum,the military is there to keep us down .
We are so skewed it's painful to behold.
Utterly clueless as to how to teach our kidsand utterly clueless as to how to protect our society especially the vulnerable .
Our young people ,as a whole ,are shallow,entitled and have zero respect for older people or authority. This starts at home and the problem is too many family units that are not. |
Finland has a great education system, a great health care, has cured much of it's homelss problem and has low crime. It's a very forward looking country, unfortunately the complete opposite of this country and it also doesn't interfere in foreign affairs. There's hardly a comparison here |  | | |
| Your views on the British military on 13:47 - Mar 22 with 675 views | Boundy |
| Your views on the British military on 11:06 - Mar 22 by controversial_jack |
I'm not really bothered about the army being reduced in size as we should keep our noses out of foreign affairs. The day of the empire has long gone, thankfully. |
Glad to hear , although I'm not quite sure what a now long gone empire has to do with this thread . Countries as do individual have the right to defend them selves which has nothing to do with empire . | |
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| Your views on the British military on 14:12 - Mar 22 with 666 views | majorraglan |
| Your views on the British military on 11:06 - Mar 22 by controversial_jack |
I'm not really bothered about the army being reduced in size as we should keep our noses out of foreign affairs. The day of the empire has long gone, thankfully. |
We need a strong and capable army to protect our interests. I don’t for 1 minute mean going off on a trip to bash Johnny Foreigner or create a second empire, but there are countries out there who’s behaviour is becoming more aggressive and they are interfering more and more with democratic rights and freedoms and we must be able t9 stand up for ourselves and protect what is right. | | | |
| Your views on the British military on 14:14 - Mar 22 with 662 views | onehunglow |
| Your views on the British military on 13:47 - Mar 22 by Boundy |
Glad to hear , although I'm not quite sure what a now long gone empire has to do with this thread . Countries as do individual have the right to defend them selves which has nothing to do with empire . |
That include us then.
That include the people defending their right to live peacefully. | |
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| Your views on the British military on 14:34 - Mar 22 with 652 views | Boundy |
| Your views on the British military on 14:14 - Mar 22 by onehunglow |
That include us then.
That include the people defending their right to live peacefully. |
Yep that's how i see it. No one needs to be reminded of the cost of lives lost on both sides during to the Falklands war for example but an underestimation by the Argentinians of how this country viewed the rights of its citizens, regardless how far away they were, cost the lives of many .On our side individuals willing if needs be to pay the ultimate price . | |
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| Your views on the British military on 14:47 - Mar 22 with 650 views | Catullus |
| Your views on the British military on 12:39 - Mar 22 by controversial_jack |
i'm all for scrapping nuclear weapons. National service would be interesting , as it would have to involve both male and female .
When you say disciple, what you mean is conformity. The ending of national service, in 1960, helped bring about the freedom and creativity of the swinging 60s.
The army is fine for those who volunteer, and the vets seem to love the memory of it. The army is a cult to many and they carry it on throughout their lives, but there are also many homeless vets who can't seem to cope outside of it's safety net. |
The armed forces have males AND females now so why would it be interesting?
I don't mean conformity, I mean discipline. Being able to get out of bed, do your own cooking and washing, life skills that many parents don't seem to teach their kids. A colleague of my wife has a 19 year old son. Last year he apparently couldn't catcth a bus by himself and couldn't use a toaster without phoning his mum (in work) for help. Now say he was 18, he couldn't do stuff that I was doing when I was 12/13! Ridiculous.
You also miss the point about training. By national service I don't simply mean give them a gun and teach them to shoot.I mean give them proper training so when they leave they can get a job. One of my mates joined the RCT, did 6 years then left and got a job as a HGV driver, still doing it 30 years later. There is a vast range of jobs that are transferable to civvy street.
People go on about being neutral but look at Switzerland,
https://www.businessinsider.com/switzerland-gun-laws-rates-of-gun-deaths-2018-2?
Very many homes have automatic weapons but unlike the USA they have strict rules and mandatory training, mandatory military service too. | |
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| Your views on the British military on 15:11 - Mar 22 with 646 views | Boundy |
| Your views on the British military on 14:47 - Mar 22 by Catullus |
The armed forces have males AND females now so why would it be interesting?
I don't mean conformity, I mean discipline. Being able to get out of bed, do your own cooking and washing, life skills that many parents don't seem to teach their kids. A colleague of my wife has a 19 year old son. Last year he apparently couldn't catcth a bus by himself and couldn't use a toaster without phoning his mum (in work) for help. Now say he was 18, he couldn't do stuff that I was doing when I was 12/13! Ridiculous.
You also miss the point about training. By national service I don't simply mean give them a gun and teach them to shoot.I mean give them proper training so when they leave they can get a job. One of my mates joined the RCT, did 6 years then left and got a job as a HGV driver, still doing it 30 years later. There is a vast range of jobs that are transferable to civvy street.
People go on about being neutral but look at Switzerland,
https://www.businessinsider.com/switzerland-gun-laws-rates-of-gun-deaths-2018-2?
Very many homes have automatic weapons but unlike the USA they have strict rules and mandatory training, mandatory military service too. |
In my experience , potential employers will err to taking on an ex forces individual because:
a , they know they tend to be self motivated, self disciplined, accepting on what procedures have to be followed and have a decent skill set . Where I work now, out of a team of 6, 5 of us are ex military. two of whom have 40 years service / experience between them .
I suppose for some its an anathema to even think of taking orders from someone . | |
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| Your views on the British military on 15:47 - Mar 22 with 630 views | onehunglow |
| Your views on the British military on 13:01 - Mar 22 by controversial_jack |
Finland has a great education system, a great health care, has cured much of it's homelss problem and has low crime. It's a very forward looking country, unfortunately the complete opposite of this country and it also doesn't interfere in foreign affairs. There's hardly a comparison here |
and pay taxes here that our socialist hypocrites would curdle over.The British do not like high taxes but demand free state entitlements all the same.
Finland is fookn cold too | |
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| Your views on the British military on 15:48 - Mar 22 with 629 views | onehunglow |
| Your views on the British military on 14:47 - Mar 22 by Catullus |
The armed forces have males AND females now so why would it be interesting?
I don't mean conformity, I mean discipline. Being able to get out of bed, do your own cooking and washing, life skills that many parents don't seem to teach their kids. A colleague of my wife has a 19 year old son. Last year he apparently couldn't catcth a bus by himself and couldn't use a toaster without phoning his mum (in work) for help. Now say he was 18, he couldn't do stuff that I was doing when I was 12/13! Ridiculous.
You also miss the point about training. By national service I don't simply mean give them a gun and teach them to shoot.I mean give them proper training so when they leave they can get a job. One of my mates joined the RCT, did 6 years then left and got a job as a HGV driver, still doing it 30 years later. There is a vast range of jobs that are transferable to civvy street.
People go on about being neutral but look at Switzerland,
https://www.businessinsider.com/switzerland-gun-laws-rates-of-gun-deaths-2018-2?
Very many homes have automatic weapons but unlike the USA they have strict rules and mandatory training, mandatory military service too. |
bit that is it CAT
Conformity is discipline to these . | |
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| Your views on the British military on 18:18 - Mar 22 with 617 views | controversial_jack |
| Your views on the British military on 15:11 - Mar 22 by Boundy |
In my experience , potential employers will err to taking on an ex forces individual because:
a , they know they tend to be self motivated, self disciplined, accepting on what procedures have to be followed and have a decent skill set . Where I work now, out of a team of 6, 5 of us are ex military. two of whom have 40 years service / experience between them .
I suppose for some its an anathema to even think of taking orders from someone . |
The ex military i have worked with, tend to be yes men whose main goal seems to be to impress their boss. Surprisingly, they don't make good team players | | | |
| Your views on the British military on 18:46 - Mar 22 with 606 views | Boundy |
| Your views on the British military on 18:18 - Mar 22 by controversial_jack |
The ex military i have worked with, tend to be yes men whose main goal seems to be to impress their boss. Surprisingly, they don't make good team players |
and I'm guessing they bullied you | |
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| Your views on the British military on 19:30 - Mar 22 with 597 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Your views on the British military on 18:18 - Mar 22 by controversial_jack |
The ex military i have worked with, tend to be yes men whose main goal seems to be to impress their boss. Surprisingly, they don't make good team players |
Ooooo you're so controversial 🙄 |  | | |
| Your views on the British military on 19:45 - Mar 22 with 581 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Your views on the British military on 14:34 - Mar 22 by Boundy |
Yep that's how i see it. No one needs to be reminded of the cost of lives lost on both sides during to the Falklands war for example but an underestimation by the Argentinians of how this country viewed the rights of its citizens, regardless how far away they were, cost the lives of many .On our side individuals willing if needs be to pay the ultimate price . |
Now he has moved from the 1970s to the 1980s.
I think he is taking the p@ss, must be .. 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ |  |
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| Your views on the British military on 19:49 - Mar 22 with 578 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Your views on the British military on 18:46 - Mar 22 by Boundy |
and I'm guessing they bullied you |
I have always found them a bit slow on the uptake, not all but quite a few.
And they will regularly refer to 50 years ago, as if anyone cares.
You know the types, i am sure .. 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ | |
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| Your views on the British military on 19:54 - Mar 22 with 576 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Your views on the British military on 21:29 - Mar 19 by Boundy |
??? Take your time and try again but try formulating your thoughts before posting , that way us grown ups can understand what you're trying to convey and you won't embarrass yourself. |
So you said your blood group was A pos and you hoped you were not a bigot because of it.
Your words.
So i was just asking if that is the case, then why are you a bigot ?
Must be some reason 🤷â€â™‚ï¸
Just following your logic tbh.
Don't worry if its difficult to understand. | |
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| Your views on the British military on 19:56 - Mar 22 with 572 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Your views on the British military on 18:18 - Mar 22 by controversial_jack |
The ex military i have worked with, tend to be yes men whose main goal seems to be to impress their boss. Surprisingly, they don't make good team players |
Don’t be so absolutely ridiculous.
I’ve worked with many ex forces. Nothing could be further from the truth. In my experience they fit brilliantly into a team.
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The way we treat our ex military in this country is, in some cases, absolutely disgraceful. There’s a great local guy I have spent time talking to over the years. Homeless. Huge mental health issues. In constant pain caused by an explosion in Afghanistan. It’s shocking that he’s out on the streets. Embarrassing to all of us. [Post edited 22 Mar 2021 20:00]
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| Your views on the British military on 20:06 - Mar 22 with 571 views | Boundy |
| Your views on the British military on 19:54 - Mar 22 by Kilkennyjack |
So you said your blood group was A pos and you hoped you were not a bigot because of it.
Your words.
So i was just asking if that is the case, then why are you a bigot ?
Must be some reason 🤷â€â™‚ï¸
Just following your logic tbh.
Don't worry if its difficult to understand. |
I've slept since then .You may consider yourself a bit of a wit but you're only half right. | |
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| Your views on the British military on 20:07 - Mar 22 with 560 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Your views on the British military on 19:56 - Mar 22 by londonlisa2001 |
Don’t be so absolutely ridiculous.
I’ve worked with many ex forces. Nothing could be further from the truth. In my experience they fit brilliantly into a team.
Edited to add,
The way we treat our ex military in this country is, in some cases, absolutely disgraceful. There’s a great local guy I have spent time talking to over the years. Homeless. Huge mental health issues. In constant pain caused by an explosion in Afghanistan. It’s shocking that he’s out on the streets. Embarrassing to all of us. [Post edited 22 Mar 2021 20:00]
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The government should look after these people as a priority.
Thats part of the job of a compassionate government. | |
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| Your views on the British military on 20:09 - Mar 22 with 555 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Your views on the British military on 20:07 - Mar 22 by Kilkennyjack |
The government should look after these people as a priority.
Thats part of the job of a compassionate government. |
This government are as far away from compassion as it’s possible to be, I’m afraid. | | | |
| Your views on the British military on 20:24 - Mar 22 with 563 views | onehunglow |
| Your views on the British military on 18:18 - Mar 22 by controversial_jack |
The ex military i have worked with, tend to be yes men whose main goal seems to be to impress their boss. Surprisingly, they don't make good team players |
You are shameful.
That insults men and women who have laid down their live for people like you to snarl from the safety of a keyboard.
You are unworthy of their sacrifice.
I truly dream of meeting you some time for a chat. Trust me,you d better be wary.
I have supervised countless ex servicemen and to a man,all were loyal,honourable,brave,reliable,disciplined and above all a team player. In fact The TEAM player,one who will watch your back,one who will watch over you. I have seen several jump into the river and canal to drag kids out .Whay they have is what you do not and that is courage,physical and mental. Right now,they are out there in Police ready to do whatever is necessary
I am reporting your comments are abusive and hatefilled. Your time should be done on here. | |
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| Your views on the British military on 20:36 - Mar 22 with 561 views | Boundy |
| Your views on the British military on 20:24 - Mar 22 by onehunglow |
You are shameful.
That insults men and women who have laid down their live for people like you to snarl from the safety of a keyboard.
You are unworthy of their sacrifice.
I truly dream of meeting you some time for a chat. Trust me,you d better be wary.
I have supervised countless ex servicemen and to a man,all were loyal,honourable,brave,reliable,disciplined and above all a team player. In fact The TEAM player,one who will watch your back,one who will watch over you. I have seen several jump into the river and canal to drag kids out .Whay they have is what you do not and that is courage,physical and mental. Right now,they are out there in Police ready to do whatever is necessary
I am reporting your comments are abusive and hatefilled. Your time should be done on here. |
No need to get angry, it really isn't , they're just words and his opinion are his to express, we may not agree with them but non the less he has the right to convey them. imo I find him not in the least bit controversial , amusing yes . | |
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| Your views on the British military on 20:42 - Mar 22 with 559 views | onehunglow |
| Your views on the British military on 20:36 - Mar 22 by Boundy |
No need to get angry, it really isn't , they're just words and his opinion are his to express, we may not agree with them but non the less he has the right to convey them. imo I find him not in the least bit controversial , amusing yes . |
Couldn't disagree more Boundy.
#He has impugned good men and women and I always challenge that.
I would truly rather die than not offer support to people like that when under attack either verbal or physical.
The problem with our country is we tolerate these too much and it becomes the norm,we lose the shock effect as a society.
I am truly boiling here and so glad I don't live down there. It js fair comment to suggest I aint a man to cross.I admit that but this is beyond the pale.
I have also had friends in the military that have been killed in active service too so that also explains why I feel so indignant.
I just hope contro is a kid and not adult with kid of his own | |
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| Your views on the British military on 20:54 - Mar 22 with 556 views | Boundy |
| Your views on the British military on 20:42 - Mar 22 by onehunglow |
Couldn't disagree more Boundy.
#He has impugned good men and women and I always challenge that.
I would truly rather die than not offer support to people like that when under attack either verbal or physical.
The problem with our country is we tolerate these too much and it becomes the norm,we lose the shock effect as a society.
I am truly boiling here and so glad I don't live down there. It js fair comment to suggest I aint a man to cross.I admit that but this is beyond the pale.
I have also had friends in the military that have been killed in active service too so that also explains why I feel so indignant.
I just hope contro is a kid and not adult with kid of his own |
The military in this country has always had the same effect as shall we say marmite , indifferent , supported or just disliked to the extreme , it goes with the territory . If I'm personally attacked then I'll defend myself but why get should I get angry when an organisation of which I once belonged to is ridiculed or defamed because of someone else's opinion doesn't align with mine. Not worth it imo , I'm quite proud of my past and achievements, whether those who abuse can say the same is a matter for them , but to me they are of no consequence. | |
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| Your views on the British military on 20:58 - Mar 22 with 552 views | onehunglow |
| Your views on the British military on 20:54 - Mar 22 by Boundy |
The military in this country has always had the same effect as shall we say marmite , indifferent , supported or just disliked to the extreme , it goes with the territory . If I'm personally attacked then I'll defend myself but why get should I get angry when an organisation of which I once belonged to is ridiculed or defamed because of someone else's opinion doesn't align with mine. Not worth it imo , I'm quite proud of my past and achievements, whether those who abuse can say the same is a matter for them , but to me they are of no consequence. |
Thanks for the reply.
We are all different and react in different ways to this garbage .
However, we need to support those who do are in public service. Fire/police/ambo/Military.
Without these,we have no society.
Anyway,I have got my banjo out which is bad news for my Mrs but good news for me | |
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| Your views on the British military on 21:04 - Mar 22 with 549 views | Catullus |
| Your views on the British military on 20:36 - Mar 22 by Boundy |
No need to get angry, it really isn't , they're just words and his opinion are his to express, we may not agree with them but non the less he has the right to convey them. imo I find him not in the least bit controversial , amusing yes . |
I don't find it amusing, to be honest I'm embarrassed for him. | |
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