| Yanks good owners discuss 20:40 - Mar 16 with 6792 views | Swans9 |
We needed n9 cooper asked they said no. Before you hammer me I am a swans fan hang your head in shame yank lovers. |  | | |  |
| Yanks good owners discuss on 10:47 - Mar 17 with 658 views | Dr_Winston |
We see now the futility of planning for sensible spending if we were lucky enough to regain a place in the PL.
There will always been those who demand that every penny be spent on players, even at the expense of sound financial planning, or even if every penny is already accounted for but they believe that there are somehow millions of pounds that aren't despite the reams of evidence to the contrary. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Yanks good owners discuss on 11:25 - Mar 17 with 643 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| Yanks good owners discuss on 22:19 - Mar 16 by builthjack |
Plenty of Premier League players play 50 plus club games, with European games, plus another 7 or 8 for their country. They never complain of tiredness though. |
Not many and the crucial thing is that this season is five weeks shorter than normal seasons. This is why it was apparent from day one that ultimately the strongest squads would prevail this season as opposed to the strongest first 11s.
The relegated clubs didn’t lose many players partly due to reduced transfer activity during the pandemic and they were always going to come on strong in the second half of the season if properly managed. |  |
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| Yanks good owners discuss on 12:09 - Mar 17 with 619 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Yanks good owners discuss on 02:21 - Mar 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
“So much”?
Tell me a striker good enough to be the starting striker of a promotion chasing club for 700k.
The likes of Whittaker and Lowe were signed due to their potential value increases as the clubs we signed them from were in financial trouble.
Without doubt Lowe is now worth a couple of million at least and hopefully Whittaker can get a similar return once he develops.
If that’s the case we will then have £4m or £5m to buy said striker which is more in line with the fees required to get one. While fans have a “now, now, now” mentality and can’t look beyond the current season, clubs often make the best decisions when planning for the years ahead. |
Teemu Pukki - Free transfer
Ivan Toney was a £300k player at age of 23
We spent alot for a player which we are now saying is not for this season for a club that is skint |  | | |
| Yanks good owners discuss on 12:11 - Mar 17 with 614 views | onehunglow |
| Yanks good owners discuss on 12:09 - Mar 17 by 34dfgdf54 |
Teemu Pukki - Free transfer
Ivan Toney was a £300k player at age of 23
We spent alot for a player which we are now saying is not for this season for a club that is skint |
That's really choked me.Thanks Blaine. | |
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| Yanks good owners discuss on 12:16 - Mar 17 with 607 views | Dr_Winston |
| Yanks good owners discuss on 12:09 - Mar 17 by 34dfgdf54 |
Teemu Pukki - Free transfer
Ivan Toney was a £300k player at age of 23
We spent alot for a player which we are now saying is not for this season for a club that is skint |
The truth of the matter is that Whittaker is not the player Cooper wanted, so Cooper has little interest in using him and would rather persist with Ayew and Lowe. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Yanks good owners discuss on 12:17 - Mar 17 with 609 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Yanks good owners discuss on 12:09 - Mar 17 by 34dfgdf54 |
Teemu Pukki - Free transfer
Ivan Toney was a £300k player at age of 23
We spent alot for a player which we are now saying is not for this season for a club that is skint |
Pukki was signed in 2018, scored 61 in 111 games. Now worth close to 10m.
Toney was signed this season for 5 million, scored 27 in 39 and is worth close to 20m.
We were looking for a striker this season. So my question was who was available for 700k that could complete with the likes of these two. |  |
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| Yanks good owners discuss on 12:22 - Mar 17 with 599 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Britt Assomalonga and Deidigoiu of Bristol city are both free agents in the summer. Warnock would have taken a derisory fee for BA but Britt and the BC guy would have held out for big wages. |  |
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| Yanks good owners discuss on 12:27 - Mar 17 with 595 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Yanks good owners discuss on 12:16 - Mar 17 by Dr_Winston |
The truth of the matter is that Whittaker is not the player Cooper wanted, so Cooper has little interest in using him and would rather persist with Ayew and Lowe. |
Cooper must work with th in house team or else it is best he moves on in my opinion. The club tried other systems with Potter but this did not work. It worked with Brendan, Sousa Guodolin, Monk but did not work with Laudrup and may not work with Cooper.
It is a joint effort. If he cannot play club signings to the detriment of his own players it is time to go. | |
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| Yanks good owners discuss on 12:30 - Mar 17 with 598 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Yanks good owners discuss on 12:22 - Mar 17 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Britt Assomalonga and Deidigoiu of Bristol city are both free agents in the summer. Warnock would have taken a derisory fee for BA but Britt and the BC guy would have held out for big wages. |
Assombalonga is on 35k a week and has scored 5 goals this year. | |
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| Yanks good owners discuss on 12:32 - Mar 17 with 598 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Yanks good owners discuss on 12:16 - Mar 17 by Dr_Winston |
The truth of the matter is that Whittaker is not the player Cooper wanted, so Cooper has little interest in using him and would rather persist with Ayew and Lowe. |
Same with Ariolla and Morris. | | | |
| Yanks good owners discuss on 12:40 - Mar 17 with 592 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Yanks good owners discuss on 12:32 - Mar 17 by 34dfgdf54 |
Same with Ariolla and Morris. |
Morris played in 4 of the 5 Championship games he was here.
He was being eased into the team and got injured.
Arriola clearly isn’t deemed to be good enough. Which was the concern before he was signed, many US based fans saying that it was pretty underwhelming. | |
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| Yanks good owners discuss on 12:44 - Mar 17 with 587 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Yanks good owners discuss on 12:40 - Mar 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
Morris played in 4 of the 5 Championship games he was here.
He was being eased into the team and got injured.
Arriola clearly isn’t deemed to be good enough. Which was the concern before he was signed, many US based fans saying that it was pretty underwhelming. |
Again, show me minutes played.
It was clear as day Lowe was tiring and Morris should have started more than he did. | | | |
| Yanks good owners discuss on 12:49 - Mar 17 with 579 views | onehunglow |
| Yanks good owners discuss on 12:40 - Mar 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
Morris played in 4 of the 5 Championship games he was here.
He was being eased into the team and got injured.
Arriola clearly isn’t deemed to be good enough. Which was the concern before he was signed, many US based fans saying that it was pretty underwhelming. |
And how can he be seen as such when he has played -what 20 mins-as a sub?
If cooper didnt want the Yanks and their players have been foisted on him ,then maybe he should have walked as you cannot do a job under those circumstances.
I feel much is going on and both Potter and Cooper have been very coy. I d rather them be honest and come out and say wtf is going on there. | |
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| Yanks good owners discuss on 12:49 - Mar 17 with 579 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Yanks good owners discuss on 12:44 - Mar 17 by 34dfgdf54 |
Again, show me minutes played.
It was clear as day Lowe was tiring and Morris should have started more than he did. |
In the 5 games he was here, we won 3 of them, drew with 10 men away to Brentford and got smashed against Huddersfield in the game he got injured in.
It is unrealistic to think we could have done any better than that with the selection of Morris from the start. | |
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| Yanks good owners discuss on 12:53 - Mar 17 with 578 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Yanks good owners discuss on 12:49 - Mar 17 by onehunglow |
And how can he be seen as such when he has played -what 20 mins-as a sub?
If cooper didnt want the Yanks and their players have been foisted on him ,then maybe he should have walked as you cannot do a job under those circumstances.
I feel much is going on and both Potter and Cooper have been very coy. I d rather them be honest and come out and say wtf is going on there. |
Because he plays every day in training in front of the person tasked with knowing who the better player is.
As I said, he played in 4 of the 5 games he was here (5 of 6 if you count the cup game he started). During that time we got a phenomenal return on the 5 games apart from the Huddersfield game he got injured.
So while it may be easy and strangely fashionable to say if he started Morris then it would have been better - the facts of the matter say that’s extremely unlikely. It’s all well and good making these claims but when they are explored they never tend to hold up to scrutiny. | |
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| Yanks good owners discuss on 12:59 - Mar 17 with 575 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Yanks good owners discuss on 12:17 - Mar 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
Pukki was signed in 2018, scored 61 in 111 games. Now worth close to 10m.
Toney was signed this season for 5 million, scored 27 in 39 and is worth close to 20m.
We were looking for a striker this season. So my question was who was available for 700k that could complete with the likes of these two. |
Not but it shows strikers are there, for here and now, for the money we banded about for Whittaker.
You need trust in your scouting dept. We signed Vik, and he wasn't good enough, we then signed a player for 2/3 seasons time when we were in the mix for a money spinning promotion for nearly a million pound. Doesn't make sense.
Your comment about fans have short term ambitions, clubs have long term, is fair enough. But when you are in a position as we were in January, it seems mad to pay a big fee for a player which hasn't been in the plans. | | | |
| Yanks good owners discuss on 13:02 - Mar 17 with 570 views | onehunglow |
| Yanks good owners discuss on 12:59 - Mar 17 by 34dfgdf54 |
Not but it shows strikers are there, for here and now, for the money we banded about for Whittaker.
You need trust in your scouting dept. We signed Vik, and he wasn't good enough, we then signed a player for 2/3 seasons time when we were in the mix for a money spinning promotion for nearly a million pound. Doesn't make sense.
Your comment about fans have short term ambitions, clubs have long term, is fair enough. But when you are in a position as we were in January, it seems mad to pay a big fee for a player which hasn't been in the plans. |
It is.
It is unforgivable especially as we are/were skint.
Which makes me hark back to ask jus where did the money go so quickly. All on players wages?
Clucas was a big loss but made up twice by what we got for Rodon and James. | |
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| Yanks good owners discuss on 13:03 - Mar 17 with 570 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Yanks good owners discuss on 12:59 - Mar 17 by 34dfgdf54 |
Not but it shows strikers are there, for here and now, for the money we banded about for Whittaker.
You need trust in your scouting dept. We signed Vik, and he wasn't good enough, we then signed a player for 2/3 seasons time when we were in the mix for a money spinning promotion for nearly a million pound. Doesn't make sense.
Your comment about fans have short term ambitions, clubs have long term, is fair enough. But when you are in a position as we were in January, it seems mad to pay a big fee for a player which hasn't been in the plans. |
No it shows they WERE there. It’s like having 2m and saying why can’t we sign someone like Michu.
Toney is on 21k a week and signed for 5m, way out of our budget. Pukki was signed by Norwich when in the Premier League.
Neither would have been realistic for us this season even if both were available. I can’t think of a single striker available for 700k or less that we could afford salary wise and would come here.
The fact nobody else has come up with a single name in these discussions also speaks volumes.
So if there is no striker for our budget but we have a player available that the club thinks will increase in value over the next few years then it’s a no brainier to buy him instead of keep the cash in the bank and sulk that there is no strikers available. [Post edited 17 Mar 2021 13:04]
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| Yanks good owners discuss on 13:05 - Mar 17 with 567 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Yanks good owners discuss on 13:02 - Mar 17 by onehunglow |
It is.
It is unforgivable especially as we are/were skint.
Which makes me hark back to ask jus where did the money go so quickly. All on players wages?
Clucas was a big loss but made up twice by what we got for Rodon and James. |
Are you ready to explain what money yet? | |
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| Yanks good owners discuss on 13:07 - Mar 17 with 563 views | onehunglow |
| Yanks good owners discuss on 13:05 - Mar 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
Are you ready to explain what money yet? |
ALL THE MONEY | |
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| Yanks good owners discuss on 13:08 - Mar 17 with 563 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Yanks good owners discuss on 13:07 - Mar 17 by onehunglow |
ALL THE MONEY |
What money, specifically.
What money do you expect us to still have. And why.
Saying “all the money” isn’t really helping. | |
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| Yanks good owners discuss on 13:15 - Mar 17 with 564 views | builthjack |
| Yanks good owners discuss on 13:02 - Mar 17 by onehunglow |
It is.
It is unforgivable especially as we are/were skint.
Which makes me hark back to ask jus where did the money go so quickly. All on players wages?
Clucas was a big loss but made up twice by what we got for Rodon and James. |
We will never know. |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Yanks good owners discuss on 13:17 - Mar 17 with 560 views | onehunglow |
| Yanks good owners discuss on 13:15 - Mar 17 by builthjack |
We will never know. |
And THAT is the correct answer. | |
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| Yanks good owners discuss on 13:21 - Mar 17 with 562 views | builthjack |
| Yanks good owners discuss on 13:17 - Mar 17 by onehunglow |
And THAT is the correct answer. |
It doesnt add up though. | |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Yanks good owners discuss on 13:30 - Mar 17 with 555 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Yanks good owners discuss on 13:17 - Mar 17 by onehunglow |
And THAT is the correct answer. |
Of course we do. The accounts are released every year.
Ok well put it this way. Many people point to the Premier league sales as to where the money has gone. Well do the maths, everything we received we spent and much more.
Year 1
€12.85m signings
€455k sales
(€12.4m loss)
Year 2
€20.5m signings
€32.6m sales
(€12.1m profit)
Year 3
€26.6m signings
Zero sales
(€26.6m loss)
Year 4
€42.5m signings
€61.9m sales
(€19.4m profit)
Year 5
€20.8m signings
€16.8m sales
(€4m loss)
Year 6
€58.1 signings
€49.3 sales
(€8.8m loss)
Year 7
€73.4 signings
€81.1m sales
(€7.7m profit)
€13m loss on Premier League signings and sales.
This doesn’t include a lot of loan fees, wages, agents fees, training ground, academy, signing on fees, loyalty bonuses, interest, managerial team compensation, day to day running costs of the club etc etc etc which accounted for most of the other yearly income.
Upon relegation we retained a lot of the Premier League costs yet much of the outgoings remained, such as Ayews 70k a week salary. As a result we had to sell players to satisfy future financial commitments that we will not be able to afford to service with the lessened income of the Championship. [Post edited 17 Mar 2021 13:32]
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