| “We need to rotate” 19:32 - Mar 20 with 13066 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Can we stop with that nonsense now please, and realise the fact that we have an incredibly front loaded and lop sided squad.
Bidwell looked like a player that had been rotated, no sharpness and no fluidity and about 3 yards off the pace. Whittaker for all his effort has nowhere near the physical attributes to be playing at this level yet, he showed what he could be at times and is going to be a very good player I have no doubt, but he was knocked off the ball every time he was challenged and we gave up possession far too easily. Naughton is not a centre back and what benefits he may give us when we have the ball sadly we lose without it, we were dominated in the air in both boxes.
We need to play our best team and accept we will be tired at times, that’s the nature of football when you don’t have a big squad full of quality. Which is something we don’t have despite many pretending otherwise.
I am full of praise for the management team and their achievements thus far but one area where I feel disappointed in is I don’t think they have blocked out the noise efficiently enough. To me, it looks like they have allowed desperate opinion to be picked up by journalists and has allowed that to permeate their decision making. This latest game seems to be the epitome of that. It was a disjointed game with what looked like a cobbled together team.
Cabango, Lowe and Smith have to start. |  |
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| “We need to rotate” on 07:42 - Mar 21 with 660 views | jack247 |
| “We need to rotate” on 07:30 - Mar 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
No idea.
We lost because we couldn't carve out enough quality chances and take them while giving up sloppy chances to them. 11 corners plus free kicks was 11 chances plus free kicks that Cabango could have caused a threat that was not there.
He may have had more shots than Lowe has had in a while but as I said, what he offered us in that respect we lost in forward and midfield link play. Most of MW's moments came from solo efforts and not team ones. This contributed to us looking quite disjoined.
Not having a go at the lad, he's just not a physical player yet and in my opinion to play up front for us you have to have at least a modicum of physicality.
You are welcome to disagree. [Post edited 21 Mar 2021 7:37]
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You do have an idea. You may not have the exact figure, but you know we kept the ball away from them and on the ground. Other than the goal, which was a rebound from a save, I can’t remember them threatening much in the air.
There weren’t many aerial duels in their box because we weren’t going to play into their hands. Ironically, the closest we came to scoring was Ayews header from one of the few corners we crossed.
We had 23 shots. You don’t get that when one of your strikers is bullied to the point of ineffectiveness. |  | | |
| “We need to rotate” on 07:49 - Mar 21 with 654 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| “We need to rotate” on 07:42 - Mar 21 by jack247 |
You do have an idea. You may not have the exact figure, but you know we kept the ball away from them and on the ground. Other than the goal, which was a rebound from a save, I can’t remember them threatening much in the air.
There weren’t many aerial duels in their box because we weren’t going to play into their hands. Ironically, the closest we came to scoring was Ayews header from one of the few corners we crossed.
We had 23 shots. You don’t get that when one of your strikers is bullied to the point of ineffectiveness. |
If I had an idea I would say so. It doesn't matter if we kept the ball on the ground, what was in the air they dominated. Many of our chances came through the air and so did their goal.
I don't think you can tell how physically dominated we were by looking at our number of shots. They don't really corollate. You would need to look at physical duels, of which their defence won the vast majority and ours didn't. | |
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| “We need to rotate” on 08:13 - Mar 21 with 631 views | jack247 |
| “We need to rotate” on 07:49 - Mar 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
If I had an idea I would say so. It doesn't matter if we kept the ball on the ground, what was in the air they dominated. Many of our chances came through the air and so did their goal.
I don't think you can tell how physically dominated we were by looking at our number of shots. They don't really corollate. You would need to look at physical duels, of which their defence won the vast majority and ours didn't. |
Anyone who watched that game, which you obviously did, has a very good idea that there weren’t many aerial battles, won or lost, by anyone, as we controlled possession and kept it on the floor. The fact they did win the majority of the few there were, didn’t have a material impact on the game. The goal was not from an aerial duel, it was a free header from a save.
9 times out of 10, if you get 23 shots in, you score goals and your frontline is doing it’s job. Have to give them credit for throwing their bodies on the line. They had so many back, every time that happened the loose ball dropped to a defender. | | | |
| “We need to rotate” on 08:18 - Mar 21 with 625 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| “We need to rotate” on 08:13 - Mar 21 by jack247 |
Anyone who watched that game, which you obviously did, has a very good idea that there weren’t many aerial battles, won or lost, by anyone, as we controlled possession and kept it on the floor. The fact they did win the majority of the few there were, didn’t have a material impact on the game. The goal was not from an aerial duel, it was a free header from a save.
9 times out of 10, if you get 23 shots in, you score goals and your frontline is doing it’s job. Have to give them credit for throwing their bodies on the line. They had so many back, every time that happened the loose ball dropped to a defender. |
Right, but that isn't the point I am making. Their goal came from an areal ball, we had a dozen corners and other balls into the box. It's clear that the areal battle was a key part of yesterdays game as it presented the only goal and also consisted of an abnormal amount of corners, the fact the majority of the game was on the floor is irrelevant - that is the case for most games. if not all. We weren't able to make an impact at either end.
My point is that Cabango would have provided that areal threat in both boxes and that Whittaker was knocked off the ball far too easily. So while Whittaker took pot shots on goal and Naughton was able to start attacks from wide, what we gained in that we lost in the physical side. 23 shots, 1 on target, for me that's poor. But again not the point I'm making. | |
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| “We need to rotate” on 08:24 - Mar 21 with 620 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| “We need to rotate” on 08:18 - Mar 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
Right, but that isn't the point I am making. Their goal came from an areal ball, we had a dozen corners and other balls into the box. It's clear that the areal battle was a key part of yesterdays game as it presented the only goal and also consisted of an abnormal amount of corners, the fact the majority of the game was on the floor is irrelevant - that is the case for most games. if not all. We weren't able to make an impact at either end.
My point is that Cabango would have provided that areal threat in both boxes and that Whittaker was knocked off the ball far too easily. So while Whittaker took pot shots on goal and Naughton was able to start attacks from wide, what we gained in that we lost in the physical side. 23 shots, 1 on target, for me that's poor. But again not the point I'm making. |
No what you’re doing is trying to justify your comments prior to the game about Whittaker. What ended up happening was him being by far our most likely scorer and on another day, and maybe if he had more minutes previously would have put the chances he got, from the positions he continually got away.
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| “We need to rotate” on 08:27 - Mar 21 with 616 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| “We need to rotate” on 08:24 - Mar 21 by 34dfgdf54 |
No what you’re doing is trying to justify your comments prior to the game about Whittaker. What ended up happening was him being by far our most likely scorer and on another day, and maybe if he had more minutes previously would have put the chances he got, from the positions he continually got away.
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Of course I am, because they were proven correct, quite clearly. That's why I made the comments in the first place.
Agree he was our most likely scorer, he was our striker, I would be concerned if that wasn't the case. But again, what we gained with his pot shots at goal we lost in attacking/midfield link play which is why we were so disjointed an inefficient in attack.
Which probably goes someway to explain why we had 1 shot on target out of 23 or whatever it was.
You can disagree that Cabango and Lowe are more physical than Naughton and Whittaker if you like, but it seems odd to me. I have no issue standing by what I think are pretty obvious observations. [Post edited 21 Mar 2021 8:28]
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| “We need to rotate” on 08:31 - Mar 21 with 614 views | jack247 |
| “We need to rotate” on 08:18 - Mar 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
Right, but that isn't the point I am making. Their goal came from an areal ball, we had a dozen corners and other balls into the box. It's clear that the areal battle was a key part of yesterdays game as it presented the only goal and also consisted of an abnormal amount of corners, the fact the majority of the game was on the floor is irrelevant - that is the case for most games. if not all. We weren't able to make an impact at either end.
My point is that Cabango would have provided that areal threat in both boxes and that Whittaker was knocked off the ball far too easily. So while Whittaker took pot shots on goal and Naughton was able to start attacks from wide, what we gained in that we lost in the physical side. 23 shots, 1 on target, for me that's poor. But again not the point I'm making. |
Corners that weren’t crossed directly into the box. They aren’t aerial.
Yes, their goal came from us not clearing a long throw, I’m assuming you think Cabango would have cleared it before the initial shot. The rebound dropped to an unmarked Flint. It could have dropped to Wilson, he’d have still scored it, it could have dropped to Naughton or Whittaker, they’d have cleared it. It was a free header into an open goal.
23 shots 1 on target is a misleading stat, it means the keeper had to make 1 save. It counts the various blocked shots on the edge of their box as off target.
May as well wrap this up. You think Cabango and Lowe would have done Naughton and Whittakers jobs better than them yesterday. It’s subjective. I don’t agree. | | | |
| “We need to rotate” on 08:32 - Mar 21 with 614 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| “We need to rotate” on 08:27 - Mar 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
Of course I am, because they were proven correct, quite clearly. That's why I made the comments in the first place.
Agree he was our most likely scorer, he was our striker, I would be concerned if that wasn't the case. But again, what we gained with his pot shots at goal we lost in attacking/midfield link play which is why we were so disjointed an inefficient in attack.
Which probably goes someway to explain why we had 1 shot on target out of 23 or whatever it was.
You can disagree that Cabango and Lowe are more physical than Naughton and Whittaker if you like, but it seems odd to me. I have no issue standing by what I think are pretty obvious observations. [Post edited 21 Mar 2021 8:28]
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Has Lowe been our most likely scorer then over the last 10 games or so? Bringing Whittaker in did not weaken the side, we probably created more chances yesterday than we have for ages.
Don’t disagree with Cabango being more physical, or Lowe for that matter but the latter isn’t going to be getting anywhere near Flint and Morrison aerially anyway, we were never going to be lumping balls in box yesterday. | | | |
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| “We need to rotate” on 08:35 - Mar 21 with 610 views | 34dfgdf54 |
Absolutely exhausted | | | |
| “We need to rotate” on 08:35 - Mar 21 with 609 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| “We need to rotate” on 08:32 - Mar 21 by 34dfgdf54 |
Has Lowe been our most likely scorer then over the last 10 games or so? Bringing Whittaker in did not weaken the side, we probably created more chances yesterday than we have for ages.
Don’t disagree with Cabango being more physical, or Lowe for that matter but the latter isn’t going to be getting anywhere near Flint and Morrison aerially anyway, we were never going to be lumping balls in box yesterday. |
Bringing him in did not weaken the side in your opinion you mean? I clearly think it did.
It's not about areally competing, that was more the Cabango trait with that threat in both boxes, with Lowe its about holding the ball with a defender at your back and bringing others into play, which he does well at times. Whittaker struggled with that yesterday which is why a lot of our attacks resulted in pot shots rather than good chances. | |
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| “We need to rotate” on 08:37 - Mar 21 with 607 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| “We need to rotate” on 08:35 - Mar 21 by 34dfgdf54 |
Absolutely exhausted |
Trust me, the feeling is very mutual.
I won't be changing my opinion however. | |
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| “We need to rotate” on 08:39 - Mar 21 with 605 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| “We need to rotate” on 08:31 - Mar 21 by jack247 |
Corners that weren’t crossed directly into the box. They aren’t aerial.
Yes, their goal came from us not clearing a long throw, I’m assuming you think Cabango would have cleared it before the initial shot. The rebound dropped to an unmarked Flint. It could have dropped to Wilson, he’d have still scored it, it could have dropped to Naughton or Whittaker, they’d have cleared it. It was a free header into an open goal.
23 shots 1 on target is a misleading stat, it means the keeper had to make 1 save. It counts the various blocked shots on the edge of their box as off target.
May as well wrap this up. You think Cabango and Lowe would have done Naughton and Whittakers jobs better than them yesterday. It’s subjective. I don’t agree. |
Because we had no areal threat.
Yep as I said happy for you to disagree, I am absolutely convinced however and feel the match stats back that. You think otherwise, that's fine. | |
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| “We need to rotate” on 08:49 - Mar 21 with 594 views | Chief |
| “We need to rotate” on 23:36 - Mar 20 by theloneranger |
Bidwell had his poorest game in a Swans shirt in a long time! |
Yea and that's after being subjected to the poster fabled rotated out and tested that's Cooper apparently doesn't dido but will solve all our problems.
Its a faaaakin myth |  |
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| “We need to rotate” on 10:12 - Mar 21 with 563 views | onehunglow |
| “We need to rotate” on 20:07 - Mar 20 by Chief |
Totally agree with the OP. Was there anyone that played that you could honestly say would have benefited from rotation? No.
We absolutely battered them second half, Ayew hit the post, Whittaker looked lively.
We need and needed an out and out Striker. That's it.
Cardiff barely rotate and they're taking the 3 points away. |
Battered?
Ah well. | |
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| “We need to rotate” on 10:13 - Mar 21 with 561 views | onehunglow |
| “We need to rotate” on 08:37 - Mar 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
Trust me, the feeling is very mutual.
I won't be changing my opinion however. |
And there you go.
That attitude is one monkey on your back
Accepting we are wrong at some stage is fundamental to human development. | |
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| “We need to rotate” on 10:17 - Mar 21 with 562 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| “We need to rotate” on 08:37 - Mar 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
Trust me, the feeling is very mutual.
I won't be changing my opinion however. |
That was meant to link a tweet off Roberts Mrs saying how shattered he is.
More than entitled to your opinion, I’ll choose to disagree on this one however. | | | |
| “We need to rotate” on 10:24 - Mar 21 with 558 views | onehunglow |
| “We need to rotate” on 10:17 - Mar 21 by 34dfgdf54 |
That was meant to link a tweet off Roberts Mrs saying how shattered he is.
More than entitled to your opinion, I’ll choose to disagree on this one however. |
Everyone has opinions and unless it breaks laws we can express them,even on here.By stating we really do not rate some players /coaches/owner.Some might not want to read that.Tough
Anyone who says,"I will not change my opinion" is a fool as we all have to in life at some stage.Pig headed arrogance is often lethal and we must battle against us before it eats us from the inside . | |
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| “We need to rotate” on 10:31 - Mar 21 with 557 views | jack247 |
| “We need to rotate” on 10:17 - Mar 21 by 34dfgdf54 |
That was meant to link a tweet off Roberts Mrs saying how shattered he is.
More than entitled to your opinion, I’ll choose to disagree on this one however. |
Last thing he needs is two qualifiers against good attacking teams. I’m sure he won’t play 3 games. Kind of hoping Williams or Gunter play | | | |
| “We need to rotate” on 10:36 - Mar 21 with 552 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| “We need to rotate” on 10:17 - Mar 21 by 34dfgdf54 |
That was meant to link a tweet off Roberts Mrs saying how shattered he is.
More than entitled to your opinion, I’ll choose to disagree on this one however. |
I’m not surprised. Being an athlete is demanding.
He can be a carpenter when he retires in his mid 30’s and never have to be concerned with being physically tired again. | |
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| “We need to rotate” on 10:37 - Mar 21 with 551 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| “We need to rotate” on 10:24 - Mar 21 by onehunglow |
Everyone has opinions and unless it breaks laws we can express them,even on here.By stating we really do not rate some players /coaches/owner.Some might not want to read that.Tough
Anyone who says,"I will not change my opinion" is a fool as we all have to in life at some stage.Pig headed arrogance is often lethal and we must battle against us before it eats us from the inside . |
Well I will not change my opinion just because someone disagrees no, or if someone abuses me online, or threatens.
I couldn’t give a stuff.
Put together some decent stuff and you will have a chance. It’s unlikely, but it’s a chance. | |
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| “We need to rotate” on 10:40 - Mar 21 with 548 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| “We need to rotate” on 10:13 - Mar 21 by onehunglow |
And there you go.
That attitude is one monkey on your back
Accepting we are wrong at some stage is fundamental to human development. |
You don’t just accept you are wrong when you aren’t though. Someone disagreeing is not grounds to cease my opinion which is backed by complete common sense of course.
However unlike a select few on here I don’t take a difference of opinion personally. It’s personal insults directed at Swansea players and staff I can’t abide. Those that do take a difference of opinions personally, really need to get over it. | |
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| “We need to rotate” on 10:46 - Mar 21 with 543 views | onehunglow |
| “We need to rotate” on 10:40 - Mar 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
You don’t just accept you are wrong when you aren’t though. Someone disagreeing is not grounds to cease my opinion which is backed by complete common sense of course.
However unlike a select few on here I don’t take a difference of opinion personally. It’s personal insults directed at Swansea players and staff I can’t abide. Those that do take a difference of opinions personally, really need to get over it. |
Really.
Fair play.
Look in the glass. | |
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| “We need to rotate” on 10:48 - Mar 21 with 542 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| “We need to rotate” on 10:46 - Mar 21 by onehunglow |
Really.
Fair play.
Look in the glass. |
Not sure what that means I’m afraid.
I’ll assume you are disagreeing again. | |
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| “We need to rotate” on 10:55 - Mar 21 with 538 views | onehunglow |
| “We need to rotate” on 10:48 - Mar 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
Not sure what that means I’m afraid.
I’ll assume you are disagreeing again. |
Not sure? Well,leave it there Champ.
Nobody owes you any explanation at all.
For what it's worth ,I read much here and cannot believe what Im seeing .I just accept it. | |
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| “We need to rotate” on 10:56 - Mar 21 with 538 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| “We need to rotate” on 10:55 - Mar 21 by onehunglow |
Not sure? Well,leave it there Champ.
Nobody owes you any explanation at all.
For what it's worth ,I read much here and cannot believe what Im seeing .I just accept it. |
I didn’t ask for an explanation.
Nor did I want one. | |
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