| Wales prepared to go it alone 11:01 - May 15 with 2105 views | trampie |
BBC Wales News (@BBCWalesNews) Tweeted: Reform of the social care system in Wales will be started by the Welsh government if UK-wide changes are not set out next week, a minister says
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| Wales prepared to go it alone on 11:53 - May 15 with 1723 views | Whiterockin |
Who is going to pay for this Trampie. |  | | |
| Wales prepared to go it alone on 12:10 - May 15 with 1707 views | BarrySwan |
Presumably just like the labour Party administration's complete and utter disaster that was the reform of the Welsh NHS which was such a fiasco that it all had to be reversed at huge cost 7 years later. |  | | |
| Wales prepared to go it alone on 12:55 - May 15 with 1667 views | trampie |
| Wales prepared to go it alone on 11:53 - May 15 by Whiterockin |
Who is going to pay for this Trampie. |
I would hope it would be through taxation.
The last thing I see on it was :-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk- | |
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| Wales prepared to go it alone on 13:57 - May 15 with 1633 views | Whiterockin |
Well Gething is in charge of the economy now so if he feels the same way there is no chance. | | | |
| Wales prepared to go it alone on 16:12 - May 15 with 1578 views | Catullus |
You'd hope it's through taxation? How much will they need to raise tax? How much money will they need?
Drakeford has said there'll be no tax rises until the pandemic is beaten so that could be a fair while. If they are going ahead with this, where is the money coming from? | |
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| Wales prepared to go it alone on 16:15 - May 15 with 1571 views | trampie |
| Wales prepared to go it alone on 16:12 - May 15 by Catullus |
You'd hope it's through taxation? How much will they need to raise tax? How much money will they need?
Drakeford has said there'll be no tax rises until the pandemic is beaten so that could be a fair while. If they are going ahead with this, where is the money coming from? |
Yes I don't think as a society we pay enough tax and tax is a good way of spreading wealth. | |
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| Wales prepared to go it alone on 16:21 - May 15 with 1557 views | Flashberryjack |
| Wales prepared to go it alone on 16:12 - May 15 by Catullus |
You'd hope it's through taxation? How much will they need to raise tax? How much money will they need?
Drakeford has said there'll be no tax rises until the pandemic is beaten so that could be a fair while. If they are going ahead with this, where is the money coming from? |
Where else would Drakeford expect the money to come from, the Welsh magic money tree or Westminster.
He's still drunk on his election results, I bet even he couldn't believe it. |  |
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| Wales prepared to go it alone on 19:07 - May 15 with 1500 views | Catullus |
| Wales prepared to go it alone on 16:15 - May 15 by trampie |
Yes I don't think as a society we pay enough tax and tax is a good way of spreading wealth. |
How do you justify that then? You'd increase taxes to spread wealth but when people are not working, choose to live on benefits, why do they deserve the money?
Do you think we should have a UBI but then people have to work for that money? There's plenty of work cleaning, picking up rubbish, painting, doing gardening.
Can a UBI system work in the one country? | |
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| Wales prepared to go it alone on 19:15 - May 15 with 1494 views | trampie |
| Wales prepared to go it alone on 19:07 - May 15 by Catullus |
How do you justify that then? You'd increase taxes to spread wealth but when people are not working, choose to live on benefits, why do they deserve the money?
Do you think we should have a UBI but then people have to work for that money? There's plenty of work cleaning, picking up rubbish, painting, doing gardening.
Can a UBI system work in the one country? |
Countries around the World are looking at UBI as a possible/potential way to solve issues like eradicating poverty and there being not enough work to go around. | |
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| Wales prepared to go it alone on 19:34 - May 15 with 1487 views | Catullus |
| Wales prepared to go it alone on 19:15 - May 15 by trampie |
Countries around the World are looking at UBI as a possible/potential way to solve issues like eradicating poverty and there being not enough work to go around. |
I'm not against UBI. It could be a way to resdistribut wealth AND it would end unemployment. Anybody without a job could be told they'll get UBI as long as they do the minimun amount of required hours and we give everybody a suitable role.
It could be good for physical and mental health but I still wonder how it will be brought in, how it will be run, how much will it be and can it be sustainable unless everybody does it?
I wonder, could we tell people on UBI they'd not pay any tax and then tax those who do have jobs? But tax the rich a lot more? That could definitely only work if all countries did it.
What we are seeing with the rich (this might surprise you Trampie) sickens me. I saw a story about Superyachts,
https://www.boatinternational.
During the pandemic sales soared. I read that Bezos had spent 350 million pounds on a 417 foot yacht AND had a second yacht built, only 75 ft this time, but the second yacht was a support yacht with a helicopter pad, a garage, speed boats AND a minisub apparntly. So every time Bezos goes sailing he's taking two yachts. It's obscene.
One of the other billionaires tweetd that he was stuck, isolated on his yacht and he got ripped apart because he was moored somewhere tropical on his luxury flaoting island.
There are so many in the world with no clean water, little food or clothes and who live in slums (and that's a bit of a generous description for some of these "homes") and we have the Bexos world. It's wrong. | |
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| Wales prepared to go it alone on 22:44 - May 15 with 1458 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Wales prepared to go it alone on 16:21 - May 15 by Flashberryjack |
Where else would Drakeford expect the money to come from, the Welsh magic money tree or Westminster.
He's still drunk on his election results, I bet even he couldn't believe it. |
The uk total debt is £2.1 trillion.2 Mar 2021.
Westminster just borrows money.
Westminster has a magic money tree.
Trident could save £205 billion. |  |
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| Wales prepared to go it alone on 23:20 - May 15 with 1444 views | majorraglan |
The social care system definitely needs to be reformed in Wales and England. There needs to be a more joined up approach between social services, care and the health service so that people can get the care they need in hospital etc and then be housed in a more appropriate setting. This will prevent bed blocking in hospital, delays in operations because there are no beds etc. The one issue is who pays for it?
A mate of mine has an elderly father who is in his mid 80’s, he’s worked hard all his life (up until about 10 years ago) paid his taxes and is comfortable. He is now suffering with dementia and needs care and support - he has to pay and it’s costing him a fortune. Had he p.... all his money away he’d now get it for free. There needs to be a balance and a mature conversation about this and care in general. | | | |
| Wales prepared to go it alone on 08:56 - May 16 with 1383 views | Whiterockin |
| Wales prepared to go it alone on 19:15 - May 15 by trampie |
Countries around the World are looking at UBI as a possible/potential way to solve issues like eradicating poverty and there being not enough work to go around. |
I can only see this working in countries with a hard border. Its just not practical in the UK with soft borders. How would you stop people moving from one side of the border (in some cases 100M) to the other just for handouts. | | | |
| Wales prepared to go it alone on 09:45 - May 16 with 1360 views | Boundy |
| Wales prepared to go it alone on 16:15 - May 15 by trampie |
Yes I don't think as a society we pay enough tax and tax is a good way of spreading wealth. |
TF you're not in charge, I pay enough tax on my food , my house, my pension , my wages.any inheritance , driving insurance and anything else i may have forgotten just to supplement the likes of the junkie living next door or the thousands of others who blanch at the idea of working .I'm all for helping others who have fallen on hard times and willing to help them selves but the rest most of the time its a life choices, so with that choice goes the consequences . | |
| "In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master." |
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| Wales prepared to go it alone on 10:52 - May 16 with 1327 views | Catullus |
| Wales prepared to go it alone on 08:56 - May 16 by Whiterockin |
I can only see this working in countries with a hard border. Its just not practical in the UK with soft borders. How would you stop people moving from one side of the border (in some cases 100M) to the other just for handouts. |
That's why I said it's only sustainable if everyone does it. Otherwise we'd have a rise in inward migration as people looked for the free handouts. Imagine you live in England and you're one of ( as Pikey might put it) the dossers, you won't work but you will claim every benefit you can...you see Wales paying UBI to every resident.....the outcome seems quite predictable. Again it's human nature, some people only ever want to take. If we didn't tell UBI recipients they HAVE to give something back, we'll end up with all the dossers from across the UK and beyond trying to move here. | |
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| Wales prepared to go it alone on 10:54 - May 16 with 1321 views | Whiterockin |
| Wales prepared to go it alone on 10:52 - May 16 by Catullus |
That's why I said it's only sustainable if everyone does it. Otherwise we'd have a rise in inward migration as people looked for the free handouts. Imagine you live in England and you're one of ( as Pikey might put it) the dossers, you won't work but you will claim every benefit you can...you see Wales paying UBI to every resident.....the outcome seems quite predictable. Again it's human nature, some people only ever want to take. If we didn't tell UBI recipients they HAVE to give something back, we'll end up with all the dossers from across the UK and beyond trying to move here. |
Exactly so it pointless Wales going alone and trialing it. A complete waste of money. | | | |
| Wales prepared to go it alone on 11:29 - May 16 with 1288 views | Catullus |
| Wales prepared to go it alone on 09:45 - May 16 by Boundy |
TF you're not in charge, I pay enough tax on my food , my house, my pension , my wages.any inheritance , driving insurance and anything else i may have forgotten just to supplement the likes of the junkie living next door or the thousands of others who blanch at the idea of working .I'm all for helping others who have fallen on hard times and willing to help them selves but the rest most of the time its a life choices, so with that choice goes the consequences . |
I agree with yo, Boundy, we pay enough tax. Maybe Trampie doesn't realise how much tax we really pay,
https://www.scottishtrustdeed.
Our Council tax bill here is now £184 per month, that's £2,208 per year for a band D house. Petrol is 85% tax, VAT is 20%....the list is long and often it seems we are being taxed 2/3/4 times on the same things.
I long for a simplification of tax, they should stop putting tax on everything and just increae income tax. Some things still need taxing, for example, I'd remove VED but put a higher purchase tax on more polluting vehicles and increase tax on petrol, those who pollute the most pay more. Take VAT off clothes and put more on beer and fags.
We should be trying to ensure people have all they really need first. Jeez I sound like a Communist again. | |
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| Wales prepared to go it alone on 18:37 - May 16 with 1218 views | Flashberryjack |
| Wales prepared to go it alone on 11:29 - May 16 by Catullus |
I agree with yo, Boundy, we pay enough tax. Maybe Trampie doesn't realise how much tax we really pay,
https://www.scottishtrustdeed.
Our Council tax bill here is now £184 per month, that's £2,208 per year for a band D house. Petrol is 85% tax, VAT is 20%....the list is long and often it seems we are being taxed 2/3/4 times on the same things.
I long for a simplification of tax, they should stop putting tax on everything and just increae income tax. Some things still need taxing, for example, I'd remove VED but put a higher purchase tax on more polluting vehicles and increase tax on petrol, those who pollute the most pay more. Take VAT off clothes and put more on beer and fags.
We should be trying to ensure people have all they really need first. Jeez I sound like a Communist again. |
Isn't Drakeford a communist in Labour clothing ? | |
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| Wales prepared to go it alone on 18:51 - May 16 with 1211 views | Catullus |
| Wales prepared to go it alone on 18:37 - May 16 by Flashberryjack |
Isn't Drakeford a communist in Labour clothing ? |
So I'm half Drakeford and half Bojo......there is no hope!
Except maybe that mix would be good? Now there's a thought  but in the dog world crossbreeds don't have the problems that purebreeds too and I am definitely no purebreed! | |
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| Wales prepared to go it alone on 09:10 - May 17 with 1149 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Wales prepared to go it alone on 18:37 - May 16 by Flashberryjack |
Isn't Drakeford a communist in Labour clothing ? |
If Drakeford puts up income tax then people will relocate to just across the border and commute to Wales for work. The M4 will be even more congested. Firms will also shift their business to the lower tax regime. Drakeford has just not thought it through. | |
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| Wales prepared to go it alone on 10:29 - May 17 with 1125 views | Catullus |
That seems fairly obvious. It's always about funding which is why I now support more devolved powers. The Senedd needs to be able to borrow or everything they try to do will just be robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Social care needs reform. There's lots in Wales that needs reform but the Senedd haven't the financial power to do it succesfully. If we're not going to abolish them and we are nowhere near an indy vote let alone choosing indy then Wales must have more devolved powers.
We already decided that as soon as the mortgage is paid off we are signing the house over to our son. The rules may change but we will do as much as we can to preserve his inheritance. Unless things improve a lot he's going to need all the help he can get. Mind you, I think I'd rather have an accident than end up in a care home. | |
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| Wales prepared to go it alone on 17:39 - May 17 with 1070 views | majorraglan |
| Wales prepared to go it alone on 10:29 - May 17 by Catullus |
That seems fairly obvious. It's always about funding which is why I now support more devolved powers. The Senedd needs to be able to borrow or everything they try to do will just be robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Social care needs reform. There's lots in Wales that needs reform but the Senedd haven't the financial power to do it succesfully. If we're not going to abolish them and we are nowhere near an indy vote let alone choosing indy then Wales must have more devolved powers.
We already decided that as soon as the mortgage is paid off we are signing the house over to our son. The rules may change but we will do as much as we can to preserve his inheritance. Unless things improve a lot he's going to need all the help he can get. Mind you, I think I'd rather have an accident than end up in a care home. |
Re the bit about transferring your home to your son, it’s definitely worth exploring, but it’s worth getting some advice. I know someone who did that for the reasons outlined, when the parents got a bit older and wanted to move to something more suitable the children picked up a CGT liability. | | | |
| Wales prepared to go it alone on 20:19 - May 17 with 1024 views | Catullus |
| Wales prepared to go it alone on 17:39 - May 17 by majorraglan |
Re the bit about transferring your home to your son, it’s definitely worth exploring, but it’s worth getting some advice. I know someone who did that for the reasons outlined, when the parents got a bit older and wanted to move to something more suitable the children picked up a CGT liability. |
Thanks for that, good advice. I probably would have anyway, it'll depend on what the rules are and what will cost him the least money I guess. | |
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| Wales prepared to go it alone on 07:36 - May 18 with 980 views | Dr_Winston |
The CGT liability is likely to be significantly lower than any care costs. Still worth doing. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Wales prepared to go it alone on 07:47 - May 18 with 977 views | AguycalledJack |
| Wales prepared to go it alone on 10:29 - May 17 by Catullus |
That seems fairly obvious. It's always about funding which is why I now support more devolved powers. The Senedd needs to be able to borrow or everything they try to do will just be robbing Peter to pay Paul.
Social care needs reform. There's lots in Wales that needs reform but the Senedd haven't the financial power to do it succesfully. If we're not going to abolish them and we are nowhere near an indy vote let alone choosing indy then Wales must have more devolved powers.
We already decided that as soon as the mortgage is paid off we are signing the house over to our son. The rules may change but we will do as much as we can to preserve his inheritance. Unless things improve a lot he's going to need all the help he can get. Mind you, I think I'd rather have an accident than end up in a care home. |
My parents have just done that with me and my sister. Get some advice though. What I will say is my parents solicitor told them that local authorities now have teams / departments to investigate the transfer should the need arise. Get advice from a specialist solicitor who practices in this area of law. Don’t just use a jack of all trades solicitor. [Post edited 18 May 2021 7:48]
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