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One for the Anti vaccination lot on 20:38 - Aug 10 by londonlisa2001
I’d hoped, although I had no real expectation to be honest, that you may have read my post in the way it was meant.
Sadly, and I mean that, it seems you are beyond the point of no return. You don’t even seem to stop and think that the drugs you keep waxing lyrical about are made by the same ‘big pharma’ companies that are making the vaccines. The company that actually makes ivermectin, Merck, have said
“ We do not believe that the data available support the safety and efficacy of ivermectin beyond the doses and populations indicated in the regulatory agency-approved prescribing information.”
Perhaps they aren’t, unlike all other ‘big pharma’ companies, in it for the money…
I wish you well, and hope that your family and friends may be able to connect with some faint thread of rationality that may be left before it’s too late.
I really don’t want to read on here that you’ve ended up with Covid and been very ill or worse.
"that you may have read my post in the way it was meant. "
So what exactly did you mean by this opening statement?
"There was, and I mean this with no disrespect, a specialist in mental health disorders on LBC this week talking about the number of people he is now seeing with genuine mental illness caused by anti vaccine, conspiracy theory, QAnon,Trump ‘fraudulent’ election propaganda being spread by bots, right wing propaganda sites, and morons who think it’s all funny." e That you can psychoanalyse me and that because I supported Trump and I have concerns about the experimental COVID vaccines and that I believe having seen the evidence that the 2020 election was full of election fraud I am therefore mentally ill? When you know nothing at all about me, other than I am retired Ford Engineer.
Yet when I present data that makes my point you always ignore it or just look for some way to discredit it. Well I have some more data for you to ignore, I have already pointed out that you cannot trust the modern day Merck whatsover, what did you think of it?
So how about the other Big Pharma companies that you are trusting your health and life to? First an overview https://www.enjuris.com/blog/r
Last but not least Johnson & Johnson. https://childrenshealthdefense Another little factoid, J& J asociated with the Facebook vaccine fact-checkers.
You also immediately tried to downplay the usefulness of Ivermectin, well here is yet another study for you to totally ignore along with all the other anti-medicine posters on here. It has 3532 participants, with a prophylactic efficacy of 83%.
Of course these like the Americans, the Mexicans, the Israelis, the Peruvians, the Indonesians, the rest of the Indians and the Bangladeshis are lying for some obscure reason, or they could all be totally incompetent.
One thing is becoming quite clear and that there is no way the world will ever reach "Herd Immunity" using leaky Vaccines.
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One for the Anti vaccination lot on 19:34 - Aug 11 with 1097 views
One for the Anti vaccination lot on 15:43 - Aug 11 by A_Fans_Dad
"that you may have read my post in the way it was meant. "
So what exactly did you mean by this opening statement?
"There was, and I mean this with no disrespect, a specialist in mental health disorders on LBC this week talking about the number of people he is now seeing with genuine mental illness caused by anti vaccine, conspiracy theory, QAnon,Trump ‘fraudulent’ election propaganda being spread by bots, right wing propaganda sites, and morons who think it’s all funny." e That you can psychoanalyse me and that because I supported Trump and I have concerns about the experimental COVID vaccines and that I believe having seen the evidence that the 2020 election was full of election fraud I am therefore mentally ill? When you know nothing at all about me, other than I am retired Ford Engineer.
Yet when I present data that makes my point you always ignore it or just look for some way to discredit it. Well I have some more data for you to ignore, I have already pointed out that you cannot trust the modern day Merck whatsover, what did you think of it?
So how about the other Big Pharma companies that you are trusting your health and life to? First an overview https://www.enjuris.com/blog/r
Last but not least Johnson & Johnson. https://childrenshealthdefense Another little factoid, J& J asociated with the Facebook vaccine fact-checkers.
You also immediately tried to downplay the usefulness of Ivermectin, well here is yet another study for you to totally ignore along with all the other anti-medicine posters on here. It has 3532 participants, with a prophylactic efficacy of 83%.
Of course these like the Americans, the Mexicans, the Israelis, the Peruvians, the Indonesians, the rest of the Indians and the Bangladeshis are lying for some obscure reason, or they could all be totally incompetent.
One thing is becoming quite clear and that there is no way the world will ever reach "Herd Immunity" using leaky Vaccines.
[Post edited 11 Aug 2021 20:40]
No. I said I’d listened to a programme that was talking about people becoming mentally ill through this sort of conspiracy stuff and I was concerned that you were going down the same rabbit hole that they had been down and I hoped you’d pull yourself back before it happened to you.
It’s not because you ‘supported’ Trump, or have concerns. It’s because you are convincing yourself that everyone is lying and only you and the select few know the ‘truth’. About the vaccines, the Us elections, climate change, everything.
You reference ‘alternative’ sources almost constantly while thinking ‘MSM’ are all in on some giant plot.
That Twitter account you’ve posted is not ‘data’ it’s a nut job who has a pinned tweet about Revelations and the second coming. You constantly slag off people on here who are actual scientists. Prof is a specialist in his field at one of the UK’s most revered centres of veterinary science, and yet you write him off as ‘anti medicine’.
You are not being rational. Why would millions of doctors around the world, governments and media be lying? Are you not aware of the economic impact of this? Don’t you think that this government, who put the economy before everything else, would refuse t9 be ‘in on it’?
It’s madness.
I don’t believe pharmaceutical companies per se. But I do believe they wouldn’t jeopardise their own financial results. And Merck, although the drug is off licence, still make huge amounts from the brands that they have which are ivermectin. Stromectol in the US, Mectizan in Canada etc etc. They still make In the same way as Nurofen still make shedloads despite the presence of generic ibuprofen.
Astra Zeneca are producing their vaccine at no profit. They aren’t making anywhere near as much as they could do.
I am not anti medicine. I’d love it if they find a medicine that works. But so far they haven’t. They’ve found stuff that helps certain people, or groups, but in large scale controlled testing nothing is the silver bullet. Even if it was, far better that vaccines are used which prevent serious illness in the first place rather than treats it, over and over again.
You are being taken in by charlatans and opportunists. And you think you are in receipt of knowledge that the rest of society simply don’t have.
Why are ‘they’ doing this do you think?
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One for the Anti vaccination lot on 19:57 - Aug 11 with 1088 views
AfD is a true believer who has thrown himself body and soul into this nonsense.
RS is just enjoying the havoc for shits and giggles.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
One for the Anti vaccination lot on 19:34 - Aug 11 by londonlisa2001
No. I said I’d listened to a programme that was talking about people becoming mentally ill through this sort of conspiracy stuff and I was concerned that you were going down the same rabbit hole that they had been down and I hoped you’d pull yourself back before it happened to you.
It’s not because you ‘supported’ Trump, or have concerns. It’s because you are convincing yourself that everyone is lying and only you and the select few know the ‘truth’. About the vaccines, the Us elections, climate change, everything.
You reference ‘alternative’ sources almost constantly while thinking ‘MSM’ are all in on some giant plot.
That Twitter account you’ve posted is not ‘data’ it’s a nut job who has a pinned tweet about Revelations and the second coming. You constantly slag off people on here who are actual scientists. Prof is a specialist in his field at one of the UK’s most revered centres of veterinary science, and yet you write him off as ‘anti medicine’.
You are not being rational. Why would millions of doctors around the world, governments and media be lying? Are you not aware of the economic impact of this? Don’t you think that this government, who put the economy before everything else, would refuse t9 be ‘in on it’?
It’s madness.
I don’t believe pharmaceutical companies per se. But I do believe they wouldn’t jeopardise their own financial results. And Merck, although the drug is off licence, still make huge amounts from the brands that they have which are ivermectin. Stromectol in the US, Mectizan in Canada etc etc. They still make In the same way as Nurofen still make shedloads despite the presence of generic ibuprofen.
Astra Zeneca are producing their vaccine at no profit. They aren’t making anywhere near as much as they could do.
I am not anti medicine. I’d love it if they find a medicine that works. But so far they haven’t. They’ve found stuff that helps certain people, or groups, but in large scale controlled testing nothing is the silver bullet. Even if it was, far better that vaccines are used which prevent serious illness in the first place rather than treats it, over and over again.
You are being taken in by charlatans and opportunists. And you think you are in receipt of knowledge that the rest of society simply don’t have.
Why are ‘they’ doing this do you think?
You are blind to the facts, I have presented the very latest study from India with 3500 participants and you just ignore it, or write it off as only helps certain people, or groups. Well Care workers are certain people OK, essential certain people and 83% of them were totally protected by Ivermectin from the Delat variant. You are just not worth discussing it with. If you can't see the Billions being made for why, which I have already pointed out then you are in worse shape than I thought. Astra Zeneca are small fry compared to Pfizer Moderna & J &J. I do not only use "alternative sources" I use Clinical studies listed on Medical Websites.
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One for the Anti vaccination lot on 20:56 - Aug 11 with 1050 views
One for the Anti vaccination lot on 20:41 - Aug 11 by Dr_Winston
AfD is a true believer who has thrown himself body and soul into this nonsense.
RS is just enjoying the havoc for shits and giggles.
He’s a refugee mun.
He only came over in 2005. In a dinghy from Calais.
Other than a brief visit when they were obviously running away trips to St Andrew’s to watch the Swans away at Birmingham City in the Autoglass in 1995. When he saw John Hodge score a penalty. It was a long weekender from Pakistan. Where he was ‘living off the land’. A whole bunch came over. It was quite the excursion.
Do keep up…
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One for the Anti vaccination lot on 21:00 - Aug 11 with 1040 views
One for the Anti vaccination lot on 20:51 - Aug 11 by A_Fans_Dad
You are blind to the facts, I have presented the very latest study from India with 3500 participants and you just ignore it, or write it off as only helps certain people, or groups. Well Care workers are certain people OK, essential certain people and 83% of them were totally protected by Ivermectin from the Delat variant. You are just not worth discussing it with. If you can't see the Billions being made for why, which I have already pointed out then you are in worse shape than I thought. Astra Zeneca are small fry compared to Pfizer Moderna & J &J. I do not only use "alternative sources" I use Clinical studies listed on Medical Websites.
You literally just posted a tweet from some bloke who has nonsense about the second coming as his pinned tweet.
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One for the Anti vaccination lot on 21:11 - Aug 11 with 1026 views
One for the Anti vaccination lot on 21:00 - Aug 11 by londonlisa2001
You literally just posted a tweet from some bloke who has nonsense about the second coming as his pinned tweet.
You are still denying the facts about Iveremectin because a guy tweeted about the second coming on a totally different subject. The Mexico City Ivermectin study involved 220,000 people, the Indians cured millions and in the states that used it reduced cases by 80%-90% in weeks.
I assume that you are aware that in the USA if a reasonably priced or cheap medicine is available the FDA cannot issue Emergency Use for Vaccines Therefore the vaccines have to go through full testing.
Was the guy who tweeted the data lying? Would you like some other sources as thet are plenty of them, or you could just google it yourself.
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One for the Anti vaccination lot on 21:23 - Aug 11 with 1024 views
One for the Anti vaccination lot on 21:11 - Aug 11 by A_Fans_Dad
You are still denying the facts about Iveremectin because a guy tweeted about the second coming on a totally different subject. The Mexico City Ivermectin study involved 220,000 people, the Indians cured millions and in the states that used it reduced cases by 80%-90% in weeks.
I assume that you are aware that in the USA if a reasonably priced or cheap medicine is available the FDA cannot issue Emergency Use for Vaccines Therefore the vaccines have to go through full testing.
Was the guy who tweeted the data lying? Would you like some other sources as thet are plenty of them, or you could just google it yourself.
[Post edited 11 Aug 2021 21:25]
I’ll wait until the proper trial is complete thanks.
Funnily enough, I would rather listen to actual specialists. It will be great if it works. At the moment it doesn’t seem as though it does at anything like the level needed.
Unlike the vaccines, which are having a huge, positive impact.
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One for the Anti vaccination lot on 22:09 - Aug 11 with 1000 views
One for the Anti vaccination lot on 21:23 - Aug 11 by londonlisa2001
I’ll wait until the proper trial is complete thanks.
Funnily enough, I would rather listen to actual specialists. It will be great if it works. At the moment it doesn’t seem as though it does at anything like the level needed.
Unlike the vaccines, which are having a huge, positive impact.
It’s a relatively poor study. Not a RCT, no blinding and absolute selection bias. It’s why it is in an ‘unusual’ journal in Cureus. It’s not truly ‘expert peer review’ but the newer idea of post publication review. Been picked Up by the IVM fan club but not by scientists. They had a similar, but smaller, prospective study in PLOS One a few months ago. In fairness the authors recognise there are some limitations, but is it were as conclusive as claimed it would be in a mega journal like Lancet, JAMA or NEJM. It’s another study that cannot give conclusive evidence due to its limitations. I am pretty equivocal over it, but it certainty will not be anywhere close to vaccines in efficacy . It may be useful, but far better not to get infected or at least not Ill.
Waits for a tirade of abuse again.
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One for the Anti vaccination lot on 23:32 - Aug 11 with 960 views
One for the Anti vaccination lot on 22:09 - Aug 11 by Professor
It’s a relatively poor study. Not a RCT, no blinding and absolute selection bias. It’s why it is in an ‘unusual’ journal in Cureus. It’s not truly ‘expert peer review’ but the newer idea of post publication review. Been picked Up by the IVM fan club but not by scientists. They had a similar, but smaller, prospective study in PLOS One a few months ago. In fairness the authors recognise there are some limitations, but is it were as conclusive as claimed it would be in a mega journal like Lancet, JAMA or NEJM. It’s another study that cannot give conclusive evidence due to its limitations. I am pretty equivocal over it, but it certainty will not be anywhere close to vaccines in efficacy . It may be useful, but far better not to get infected or at least not Ill.
Waits for a tirade of abuse again.
No the abuse is your thing. The problem with your statement is that there is no possibility of herd immunity with these particular vaccines, but there is with curing patients who then have natural immunity. I know you consider vaccine immunity to be superior, but that is not proving to be the case. Especially with the mRNA versions, time will tell.
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One for the Anti vaccination lot on 23:34 - Aug 11 with 959 views
One for the Anti vaccination lot on 21:23 - Aug 11 by londonlisa2001
I’ll wait until the proper trial is complete thanks.
Funnily enough, I would rather listen to actual specialists. It will be great if it works. At the moment it doesn’t seem as though it does at anything like the level needed.
Unlike the vaccines, which are having a huge, positive impact.
And while you wait both vaccinated and unvaccinated people are dying aren't they? Never mind the wait will be over for them, just like all the ones that died before them.
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One for the Anti vaccination lot on 00:12 - Aug 12 with 951 views
One for the Anti vaccination lot on 23:34 - Aug 11 by A_Fans_Dad
And while you wait both vaccinated and unvaccinated people are dying aren't they? Never mind the wait will be over for them, just like all the ones that died before them.
Christ on a bike you'd give an aspirin a headache
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One for the Anti vaccination lot on 00:26 - Aug 12 with 946 views
One for the Anti vaccination lot on 23:34 - Aug 11 by A_Fans_Dad
And while you wait both vaccinated and unvaccinated people are dying aren't they? Never mind the wait will be over for them, just like all the ones that died before them.
Every time you are presented with fact you scurry off for more pseudoscience to prove vaccines don’t work. But they are, Even if falling short of herd immunity-which is never a rigid fact but a concept of epidemiology. What’s clear is vaccines are working. You can deny this all you want. The evidence is clear. As Lisa said, great if there is a working therapeutic. But there is not. Perhaps ivermectin may help. But it’s unclear as it’s safety in this context at higher doses is not known. Remember these ‘experimental vaccines’ have been through more rigorous trials.
Let’s see what happens. This is what science does. This Is what I do. You are an enthusiastic amateur. You may be right. But more likely not.
No abuse. Get your vaccine
Get some help.
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One for the Anti vaccination lot on 01:15 - Aug 12 with 926 views
One for the Anti vaccination lot on 20:41 - Aug 11 by Dr_Winston
AfD is a true believer who has thrown himself body and soul into this nonsense.
RS is just enjoying the havoc for shits and giggles.
You are absolutely 110% wrong with that assumption. This fraud has been in the planning for many a year. Geeez they've even been telling us what is going to happen for years.
There are many people out there who can't comprehend the enormity of what is going on and that is totally understandable.
If you are not awake to it now then i doubt very much you ever will be.
(He She Him)
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One for the Anti vaccination lot on 07:50 - Aug 12 with 886 views
One for the Anti vaccination lot on 06:49 - Aug 12 by RonaldStump
You are absolutely 110% wrong with that assumption. This fraud has been in the planning for many a year. Geeez they've even been telling us what is going to happen for years.
There are many people out there who can't comprehend the enormity of what is going on and that is totally understandable.
If you are not awake to it now then i doubt very much you ever will be.
Get vaccinated far too msny unvaccinated people are ending up on hospital and dying. The unvaccinated currently pasc on the virus to one other person..
GET VACCINATED SAVE LIVES GET VACCINATED DON'T END UP IN HOSPITAL GET VACCINATED STOP SPREADING THE VIRUS
One for the Anti vaccination lot on 10:25 - Aug 11 by RonaldStump
Of course there are people who unfortunately are not able to do anything about their health issues but the vast majority are just too lazy and bone idle to do anything even though they are capable and they are a massive drain on society and especially the NHS. Think they can do what they want then when the brown stuff hits the fan they think their is a magig pill to bail them out.
You do realise that you will be one of those unfortunate people one day don't you?
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One for the Anti vaccination lot on 09:33 - Aug 12 with 849 views
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