| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 22:06 - Aug 4 with 1062 views | max936 |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 14:00 - Aug 4 by Scotia |
Nothing has been added. You are just posting complete BS.
Prof has never, ever said the vaccines do not cause side effects. In fact nobody has.
You are losing the plot. Take a break. |
Aye, a permanent one, he can take a few with him for company as well. |  | |  |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 22:09 - Aug 4 with 1042 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 21:54 - Aug 4 by Gwyn737 |
But we don’t know how many of those vaccinated people would have died if they hadn’t had the vaccine, do we?
The most vulnerable/elderly went first, the group that were most susceptible to the virus. |
Want to see just the over 50s?
Vaccinated 279
Unvaccinated 131.
I am sure that I can leave the calculations to you.
No, I expect that is probably asking too much of you.
The answer is
Vaccinated 7.5/million
Unvaccinated 7.8/million
Which I am sure that even you can tell is actually even less lives saved at 0.3/million. |  | | |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 22:12 - Aug 4 with 1044 views | Scotia |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 21:56 - Aug 4 by A_Fans_Dad |
What so that you can look up the establishment/msm hit job that has been done on them, so that you can ignore what they say? |
No. Just check they know what they are talking about, or actually exist.
Talking of which you've had 36 hours to find out about Dr Mike Williams. Any joy captain Google? | | | |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 22:17 - Aug 4 with 1040 views | Scotia |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 21:48 - Aug 4 by A_Fans_Dad |
Why don't you answer the question?
Now l would like to discuss the life saving ability of the current vaccines against the COVID delta variant (which is the only data split out by vaccinated/unvaccinated that we have) compared to no Vaccination.
Please check my arithmetic in case I have made some silly errors
Under 18s equal 21% of the population of 68million which is 14.3million
Therefore the Adult population 53.7Million.
Currently about 69% of the Adult population is Vaccinated - correct?
69% of 53.7million adults is 37million
Which means that 31% aren't - correct?
31% of 53.7million adults is 16.6million
Vaccinated Deaths at the last count was 289 = 289/37 which is 7.8/Million
Unvaccinated Deaths was 165 = 165/16.6 which is 9.9/Million
Lives which have been saved = 2.1/Million.
So if every adult had been vaccinated it would have saved 2.1/million x 16.6million = 35 people.
So instead of 454 deaths we would have had 419 deaths.
It does make you wonder how the Vaccinations have saved 60,000 lives doesn't it?
Perhaps it worked much better for the other variants.
For this kind of benefit they want to Vaccinate the Kids from 16 to 17 years old with the Pfizer vax with all it's known problems for that age group (US data) when their mortality rate is close to zero.
Please point out any arithmetic errors or incorrect assumptions I may have made. [Post edited 4 Aug 2021 21:52]
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Arithmetic errors? For God's sake how stupid are you?
Do you honestly think that is anywhere near being correct?
It's the biggest pile of BS you've posted so far. | | | |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 22:18 - Aug 4 with 1037 views | Gwyn737 |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 22:09 - Aug 4 by A_Fans_Dad |
Want to see just the over 50s?
Vaccinated 279
Unvaccinated 131.
I am sure that I can leave the calculations to you.
No, I expect that is probably asking too much of you.
The answer is
Vaccinated 7.5/million
Unvaccinated 7.8/million
Which I am sure that even you can tell is actually even less lives saved at 0.3/million. |
Based over what timeframe? | | | |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 22:36 - Aug 4 with 1024 views | Gwyn737 |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 21:48 - Aug 4 by A_Fans_Dad |
Why don't you answer the question?
Now l would like to discuss the life saving ability of the current vaccines against the COVID delta variant (which is the only data split out by vaccinated/unvaccinated that we have) compared to no Vaccination.
Please check my arithmetic in case I have made some silly errors
Under 18s equal 21% of the population of 68million which is 14.3million
Therefore the Adult population 53.7Million.
Currently about 69% of the Adult population is Vaccinated - correct?
69% of 53.7million adults is 37million
Which means that 31% aren't - correct?
31% of 53.7million adults is 16.6million
Vaccinated Deaths at the last count was 289 = 289/37 which is 7.8/Million
Unvaccinated Deaths was 165 = 165/16.6 which is 9.9/Million
Lives which have been saved = 2.1/Million.
So if every adult had been vaccinated it would have saved 2.1/million x 16.6million = 35 people.
So instead of 454 deaths we would have had 419 deaths.
It does make you wonder how the Vaccinations have saved 60,000 lives doesn't it?
Perhaps it worked much better for the other variants.
For this kind of benefit they want to Vaccinate the Kids from 16 to 17 years old with the Pfizer vax with all it's known problems for that age group (US data) when their mortality rate is close to zero.
Please point out any arithmetic errors or incorrect assumptions I may have made. [Post edited 4 Aug 2021 21:52]
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Over 50’s have a vaccination rate of around 90%, with according to your figures have a mortality number of 279
The remaining 10% have a mortality number of 131.
90% = 279 deaths
10% = 131 deaths
Is that your point? | | | |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 22:51 - Aug 4 with 1018 views | Catullus |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 21:56 - Aug 4 by A_Fans_Dad |
What so that you can look up the establishment/msm hit job that has been done on them, so that you can ignore what they say? |
How can anyone find out what they say if you're too scared to name them?
I guess it's the predictable line now, about the establishment/MSM hit job. It couldn';t possibly be that they are dangerously wrong?
PS, I've been told today that if you eat SOBA pot Teriyaki Chicken that it will absorb and destroy all covid virus and 100% guarantee you won't be ill ever again, you just have to eat 10 per day.
In unrelated matters, I have bought shares in SOBA today. Seemed like a good idea.
NB, that is obviously as factual and true as most of what AFD and Stumpy post on this matter. So don't believe it. | |
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| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 23:17 - Aug 4 with 1008 views | Professor |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 22:51 - Aug 4 by Catullus |
How can anyone find out what they say if you're too scared to name them?
I guess it's the predictable line now, about the establishment/MSM hit job. It couldn';t possibly be that they are dangerously wrong?
PS, I've been told today that if you eat SOBA pot Teriyaki Chicken that it will absorb and destroy all covid virus and 100% guarantee you won't be ill ever again, you just have to eat 10 per day.
In unrelated matters, I have bought shares in SOBA today. Seemed like a good idea.
NB, that is obviously as factual and true as most of what AFD and Stumpy post on this matter. So don't believe it. |
Bloody tasty too those Soba Pots. I like the beef one. | | | |
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| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 06:31 - Aug 5 with 959 views | felixstowe_jack |
20% of those in hospital with coronavirus are in the 18 to 30 age group. More evidence that group needs to get vaccinated. | |
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| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 06:42 - Aug 5 with 951 views | RonaldStump |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 23:28 - Aug 2 by Professor |
Thanks both. Appreciated. I teach vaccination to vet students and run early stage vaccine trials for veterinary vaccines. The rubbish spouted is unreal |
Sounds like you have a vested interest in promoting vaccines or so called vaccines.
Makes sense | |
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| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 08:09 - Aug 5 with 944 views | Professor |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 06:42 - Aug 5 by RonaldStump |
Sounds like you have a vested interest in promoting vaccines or so called vaccines.
Makes sense |
Also means I understand them, rather than getting my information from conspiracists. | | | |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 08:11 - Aug 5 with 936 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 22:36 - Aug 4 by Gwyn737 |
Over 50’s have a vaccination rate of around 90%, with according to your figures have a mortality number of 279
The remaining 10% have a mortality number of 131.
90% = 279 deaths
10% = 131 deaths
Is that your point? |
You are absolutely correct, in my too quick reply I used the original populatt=ions and vaccinated percentages an I apologise wholeheartedly.
But your calculation is also probably not correct because it does not take in to consideration the population and the vaccinations in each age band.
Iwill find those numbers and re-calculate the correct value. [Post edited 5 Aug 2021 8:19]
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| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 08:24 - Aug 5 with 929 views | Gwyn737 |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 08:11 - Aug 5 by A_Fans_Dad |
You are absolutely correct, in my too quick reply I used the original populatt=ions and vaccinated percentages an I apologise wholeheartedly.
But your calculation is also probably not correct because it does not take in to consideration the population and the vaccinations in each age band.
Iwill find those numbers and re-calculate the correct value. [Post edited 5 Aug 2021 8:19]
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Fair play. My calculations were fag packet tbf.
I think for context it would also need typical mortality rates in the age groups.
Edit : more fag packet maths -
Using your figures that would mean for over 50s you are 4 times safer (or 400% if you want to phrase it that way) being vaccinated.
Sounds good to me 👠[Post edited 5 Aug 2021 9:19]
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| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 09:07 - Aug 5 with 912 views | felixstowe_jack |
20% of coronavirus patients now in hospital are in the under 35 age group. Most would have been avoided if they had been vaccinated. | |
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| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 09:41 - Aug 5 with 892 views | RonaldStump |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 08:09 - Aug 5 by Professor |
Also means I understand them, rather than getting my information from conspiracists. |
Just because they are far more educated than you nd also offer an alternative view on vaccines doesn't make them conspiracists or even wrong. I don't see any of the scientists I listen to posting on football forums. | |
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| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 09:45 - Aug 5 with 896 views | Professor |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 08:24 - Aug 5 by Gwyn737 |
Fair play. My calculations were fag packet tbf.
I think for context it would also need typical mortality rates in the age groups.
Edit : more fag packet maths -
Using your figures that would mean for over 50s you are 4 times safer (or 400% if you want to phrase it that way) being vaccinated.
Sounds good to me 👠[Post edited 5 Aug 2021 9:19]
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That's pretty much in line with the levels being mooted. Even higher in younger adults. | | | |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 10:00 - Aug 5 with 883 views | Catullus |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 23:17 - Aug 4 by Professor |
Bloody tasty too those Soba Pots. I like the beef one. |
I prefer the Chilli, the teriyaki was a bit bland, I haven't tried them all yet.
I just read the story about John Eyres, the super fit 42 year old who died 4 weeks after testing positive and wished he hadn't refused the vaccination.
The vaccine isn't a cure all, it's not gyaranteed to stop you catching covid and there COULD be side effects but I'd take all that over being unvaccinated and catching covid.
I hope the anti vaxers, the vax sceptical and the conspiracy theorists and WUM's don't get killed. Death is death. But then, if the anti brigade don't die they'll just be convinced they were right, even so, I'd rather they lived to tell the tale. | |
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| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 10:03 - Aug 5 with 879 views | Gwyn737 |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 09:45 - Aug 5 by Professor |
That's pretty much in line with the levels being mooted. Even higher in younger adults. |
I’d have thought that when typical mortality rates are included the gap would grow further.
As an aside, I came across this story yesterday:
https://www.theguardian.com/so
A lovely unintended consequence of the vaccine program. | | | |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 10:37 - Aug 5 with 857 views | Scotia |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 09:41 - Aug 5 by RonaldStump |
Just because they are far more educated than you nd also offer an alternative view on vaccines doesn't make them conspiracists or even wrong. I don't see any of the scientists I listen to posting on football forums. |
As I've said before. Name some of these scientists.
I've asked 73 and now I'm asking you. | | | |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 10:52 - Aug 5 with 849 views | Scotia |
Something for the right wing yankophiles to ponder.
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| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 11:05 - Aug 5 with 845 views | Catullus |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 10:52 - Aug 5 by Scotia |
Something for the right wing yankophiles to ponder.
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That's interesting and also it seems a very fair comparison, given the USA is reporting that (today) 50.4% are fully vaccinated. So in roughly equally sized groups (though with no age context) the worst reporting state has only 3.1% of total covid deaths amongst the vaccinated as against 96.9% in the unvaccinated
There doesn't seem to be much room for doubt there, being vaccinated is much safer. | |
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| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 11:57 - Aug 5 with 829 views | Scotia |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 10:00 - Aug 5 by Catullus |
I prefer the Chilli, the teriyaki was a bit bland, I haven't tried them all yet.
I just read the story about John Eyres, the super fit 42 year old who died 4 weeks after testing positive and wished he hadn't refused the vaccination.
The vaccine isn't a cure all, it's not gyaranteed to stop you catching covid and there COULD be side effects but I'd take all that over being unvaccinated and catching covid.
I hope the anti vaxers, the vax sceptical and the conspiracy theorists and WUM's don't get killed. Death is death. But then, if the anti brigade don't die they'll just be convinced they were right, even so, I'd rather they lived to tell the tale. |
I've read the John Eyres article again today. It's very sad.
Of course some may say he didn't die of covid but with covid.
I'm sure the positive test 4 weeks to the day before the ultra - fit 42 year old died of organ failure is a complete coincidence. | | | |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 15:42 - Aug 5 with 782 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 08:24 - Aug 5 by Gwyn737 |
Fair play. My calculations were fag packet tbf.
I think for context it would also need typical mortality rates in the age groups.
Edit : more fag packet maths -
Using your figures that would mean for over 50s you are 4 times safer (or 400% if you want to phrase it that way) being vaccinated.
Sounds good to me 👠[Post edited 5 Aug 2021 9:19]
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Sorry you do not appear to understand those incorrect figures.
They mean that for every million people the vaccinations would save 0.3 people from dying.
But the numbers are completely wrong and much too low for the unvaccinated because there are only 0.7 million over 50s left to be vaccinated.
But going back through the data and looking for the answer to your other question about "over what period" I have found some major anomalies in the government data.
I will post it a bit later when I have worked out what is wrong. | | | |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 16:35 - Aug 5 with 773 views | Gwyn737 |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 15:42 - Aug 5 by A_Fans_Dad |
Sorry you do not appear to understand those incorrect figures.
They mean that for every million people the vaccinations would save 0.3 people from dying.
But the numbers are completely wrong and much too low for the unvaccinated because there are only 0.7 million over 50s left to be vaccinated.
But going back through the data and looking for the answer to your other question about "over what period" I have found some major anomalies in the government data.
I will post it a bit later when I have worked out what is wrong. |
I’m happy with my understanding.
As only 0.7 million of that age group are unvaccinated, then that makes their mortality figure worse worse, doesn’t it? | | | |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 16:58 - Aug 5 with 753 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 16:35 - Aug 5 by Gwyn737 |
I’m happy with my understanding.
As only 0.7 million of that age group are unvaccinated, then that makes their mortality figure worse worse, doesn’t it? |
Yes much worse, as I will demonstrate later.
But it also highlights another concern, for later. | | | |
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