| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 18:25 - Aug 8 with 1122 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 16:26 - Aug 8 by Professor |
Immunity from natural infection does not offer long term protection. There are relatively few infections that do. Hence the rubbish people say about you can’t have x or y twice. In this case immunity from infection is poorer than vaccination. This is pretty
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How many people have had COVID twice.
Can you provide any data? [Post edited 8 Aug 2021 18:25]
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| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 19:30 - Aug 8 with 1095 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 17:25 - Aug 8 by Professor |
This is just daft. Do you have any idea how many infectious disease researchers there are. We have about 100 academic staff in the area, with perhaps 300+ postdoctoral researchers. All the big players will have similar numbers if not more- Oxford,
Cambridge, Birmingham, UCL, Imperial, Bristol, Edinburgh. That’s a thousand to start with. A big microbiology conference has over 10k delegates.
No one is toeing a line. That’s conspiracy bull. There are few dissenters as few people believe the tripe you come up with. Few on your list are anything to do with infection. Are people really being sacked? No. Not even Dolores Cahill- she was removed from teaching at the students’s request at UCD, but still has her job. |
Scotia asked for some names, I provided some names.
Dingwall didn't get sacked because he questioned 'risk-benefit ratio' of vaccinating 12 to 15-year-olds.
He says so, but he is no longer in the job after a "shake up".
Then there is Dr. Sam White, who resigned due to his principles after being
suspended for speaking out.
Also Dr .Francis Christian Canadian surgeon fired from his position at the University of Saskatchewan and suspended from teaching after expressing concerns about Covid-19 vaccine safety.
Professor Terry Ridd fired by Cooke University for calling out the propaganda about the GBR.
Dr. Steven LaTulippe sacked for speaking out about masks and Lockdowns.
But livelyhoods does not just mean losing their jobs, everybody knows that those that do not follow the establishment line do not get the grant money.
He who pays the piper calls the tune has never been more true than in the research fields of Pharma and Climate Change.
Getting your papers published is another issue.
I notice that you have not provided even one iota of data to disprove anything any one of them has said.
All you ever do is attack their characters and appeal to authority.
Apparantly there are more doctors than I thought.
https://www.naturalnews.com/20 | | | |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 20:04 - Aug 8 with 1090 views | Scotia |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 19:30 - Aug 8 by A_Fans_Dad |
Scotia asked for some names, I provided some names.
Dingwall didn't get sacked because he questioned 'risk-benefit ratio' of vaccinating 12 to 15-year-olds.
He says so, but he is no longer in the job after a "shake up".
Then there is Dr. Sam White, who resigned due to his principles after being
suspended for speaking out.
Also Dr .Francis Christian Canadian surgeon fired from his position at the University of Saskatchewan and suspended from teaching after expressing concerns about Covid-19 vaccine safety.
Professor Terry Ridd fired by Cooke University for calling out the propaganda about the GBR.
Dr. Steven LaTulippe sacked for speaking out about masks and Lockdowns.
But livelyhoods does not just mean losing their jobs, everybody knows that those that do not follow the establishment line do not get the grant money.
He who pays the piper calls the tune has never been more true than in the research fields of Pharma and Climate Change.
Getting your papers published is another issue.
I notice that you have not provided even one iota of data to disprove anything any one of them has said.
All you ever do is attack their characters and appeal to authority.
Apparantly there are more doctors than I thought.
https://www.naturalnews.com/20 |
I notice you included Dolores Cahill in that list of names. You thought she was a professor of medicine at one point? She isn't. She's been consistently wrong about covid, claiming it is treatable by vitamins and immunity is life long. She's full of it.
I haven't looked at the others.
That link is written by Dr Andrew Kaufman, he's not just an anti vaxer, but also denied the virus existed early in the pandemic. He claims there are 100,000 Dr's that agree with him. I don't believe him.
Even if he is correct that makes at least 9.9 million Dr's who don't agree with him.
Let's not forget that Harold Shipman was a Dr too, there are some bad apples among them. | | | |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 20:06 - Aug 8 with 1088 views | Scotia |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 18:25 - Aug 8 by A_Fans_Dad |
How many people have had COVID twice.
Can you provide any data? [Post edited 8 Aug 2021 18:25]
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Well here's an example of one.
https://www.independent.co.uk/ | | | |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 21:48 - Aug 8 with 1063 views | Scotia |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 21:59 - Aug 7 by A_Fans_Dad |
Well seeing as the subject of the article is Blood Clotting it could be this Dr Mike Williams.
https://bwc.nhs.uk/dr-mike-wil
He fits the bill, but who knows? |
Who knows?
You've linked an article he claims to have written and believed it without question.
It's almost certainly not him, "Mike" claims to work in private practice. You think he'd advertise his services better wouldn't you? | | | |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 22:40 - Aug 8 with 1049 views | Jack123 |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 20:04 - Aug 8 by Scotia |
I notice you included Dolores Cahill in that list of names. You thought she was a professor of medicine at one point? She isn't. She's been consistently wrong about covid, claiming it is treatable by vitamins and immunity is life long. She's full of it.
I haven't looked at the others.
That link is written by Dr Andrew Kaufman, he's not just an anti vaxer, but also denied the virus existed early in the pandemic. He claims there are 100,000 Dr's that agree with him. I don't believe him.
Even if he is correct that makes at least 9.9 million Dr's who don't agree with him.
Let's not forget that Harold Shipman was a Dr too, there are some bad apples among them. |
When you think of it Scotia who can we listen to, and trust? Look at that Neil Ferguson, I think half the reason the UK looked down in the first place, was based on his and imperial college modelling, fast forward till about June this year, and he popped up again, saying if we came out of lockdown we would be facing 100k cases a day in the uk!! It never happened!
I ask myself why, all the rubbish that has been spouted by the government, and their advisors since March 2020 has mainly been ignored by the media, yet the majority of people who offer differing opinions are called silly names and conspiracy theorists, why? they have nothing to gain.
I listen to both sides. And I feel that many people speak sense opposing what is going on. [Post edited 8 Aug 2021 22:42]
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| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 09:51 - Aug 9 with 989 views | controversial_jack |
Lockdown was based on historical evidence. it was used during the 1918 flu epidemic when no vaccine was available and it worked | | | |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 14:35 - Aug 9 with 962 views | Catullus |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 22:40 - Aug 8 by Jack123 |
When you think of it Scotia who can we listen to, and trust? Look at that Neil Ferguson, I think half the reason the UK looked down in the first place, was based on his and imperial college modelling, fast forward till about June this year, and he popped up again, saying if we came out of lockdown we would be facing 100k cases a day in the uk!! It never happened!
I ask myself why, all the rubbish that has been spouted by the government, and their advisors since March 2020 has mainly been ignored by the media, yet the majority of people who offer differing opinions are called silly names and conspiracy theorists, why? they have nothing to gain.
I listen to both sides. And I feel that many people speak sense opposing what is going on. [Post edited 8 Aug 2021 22:42]
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Absolutely listen to both sides but that doesn't have to include the lunatic fringes?
We all know (or at least should) experts can be wrong too. There were plaenty of mistakes made in the early stages of covid, things changed very quickly, rules changed. We were told masks didn't work but then they did. We were told Covid wasn't airborne then it was, we were also told we could catch it from hard surfaces but it turned out to be a 10,000-1 shot. Listening to people doesn't mean you have to believe the ridiculous and some of the things put about are completely ridiculous. There's a poster on here (a complete WUM by the way) who has claimed the vaccines are a bio weapon being used to depopulate the earth, I mean, come on! | |
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| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 14:57 - Aug 9 with 949 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 21:48 - Aug 8 by Scotia |
Who knows?
You've linked an article he claims to have written and believed it without question.
It's almost certainly not him, "Mike" claims to work in private practice. You think he'd advertise his services better wouldn't you? |
It doesn't matter who wrote it.
Prove the data is wrong, prove the studies are wrong or just stop with the ad homs and character assassinations. | | | |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 15:22 - Aug 9 with 937 views | A_Fans_Dad |
One.  | | | |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 15:24 - Aug 9 with 936 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 20:04 - Aug 8 by Scotia |
I notice you included Dolores Cahill in that list of names. You thought she was a professor of medicine at one point? She isn't. She's been consistently wrong about covid, claiming it is treatable by vitamins and immunity is life long. She's full of it.
I haven't looked at the others.
That link is written by Dr Andrew Kaufman, he's not just an anti vaxer, but also denied the virus existed early in the pandemic. He claims there are 100,000 Dr's that agree with him. I don't believe him.
Even if he is correct that makes at least 9.9 million Dr's who don't agree with him.
Let's not forget that Harold Shipman was a Dr too, there are some bad apples among them. |
You manage to pick out 2 people from over 20.
What did I write about those 2?
"Here are some that are real conspiracy theorists on top, but again bring research to the table."
Is that it? | | | |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 16:17 - Aug 9 with 929 views | Professor |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 15:22 - Aug 9 by A_Fans_Dad |
One. |
The current thinking is that somewhere between 20-25% of those infected DO NOT produce good T or B cell memory. These individuals will be more susceptible. PHE estimates in June were than 0.4% of infections were reinfection, a small but significant group (so in the region of 20-30K cases). This is now likely to be much higher with the predominance of delta, which will have lower protection from existing immunity. These data will be not known for some time. As frankly it's not that important right now. What is more important is understanding length of immunity, and we know that perhaps 1 in 5 do not have much protective immunity 6-12 months after infection. I suspect vaccines will be similar, though have a feeling the AZ vaccine may give a longer-lived response due to being a live vector' Live vaccines usually give longer-lasting protection.
US studies are also suggesting having the vaccine even if previously infected, reduced reinfection rates by half.
No 'y' in livelihood either. Once is a typo, we all make them. | | | |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 19:01 - Aug 9 with 900 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 16:17 - Aug 9 by Professor |
The current thinking is that somewhere between 20-25% of those infected DO NOT produce good T or B cell memory. These individuals will be more susceptible. PHE estimates in June were than 0.4% of infections were reinfection, a small but significant group (so in the region of 20-30K cases). This is now likely to be much higher with the predominance of delta, which will have lower protection from existing immunity. These data will be not known for some time. As frankly it's not that important right now. What is more important is understanding length of immunity, and we know that perhaps 1 in 5 do not have much protective immunity 6-12 months after infection. I suspect vaccines will be similar, though have a feeling the AZ vaccine may give a longer-lived response due to being a live vector' Live vaccines usually give longer-lasting protection.
US studies are also suggesting having the vaccine even if previously infected, reduced reinfection rates by half.
No 'y' in livelihood either. Once is a typo, we all make them. |
"current thinking "
"estimates"
"likely"
"suggesting "
OK. | | | |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 19:06 - Aug 9 with 904 views | Professor |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 19:01 - Aug 9 by A_Fans_Dad |
"current thinking "
"estimates"
"likely"
"suggesting "
OK. |
Go look it up yourself. But you won’t as it’s not been approved by ‘I married my sister or we love trump.’. As a fair bit of this has come from my department I have known about this for some time.
Can’t be arsed really with you today. Long day in the lab (at last) | | | |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 20:25 - Aug 9 with 877 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 19:06 - Aug 9 by Professor |
Go look it up yourself. But you won’t as it’s not been approved by ‘I married my sister or we love trump.’. As a fair bit of this has come from my department I have known about this for some time.
Can’t be arsed really with you today. Long day in the lab (at last) |
When they and you use words like that it is all supposition, you believe it so that makes it OK. | | | |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 20:37 - Aug 9 with 882 views | Gwyn737 |
Good for a giggle, this one:
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| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 09:32 - Aug 10 with 833 views | felixstowe_jack |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 19:01 - Aug 9 by A_Fans_Dad |
"current thinking "
"estimates"
"likely"
"suggesting "
OK. |
Another tradrgy caused by anti vaxers. A family of 4 met up for a family meal. None had been vaccinated because they had listed to anti vaxers on Internet. Now 3 have died of tye the virus. | |
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| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 09:45 - Aug 10 with 820 views | Dr_Winston |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 20:37 - Aug 9 by Gwyn737 |
Good for a giggle, this one:
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Great innit.
Want you to trust their research of dodgy websites and YouTube videos, can't even research the fact that the BBC moved out of television centre years ago.
These people are a walking meme. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 11:10 - Aug 10 with 783 views | RonaldStump |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 09:32 - Aug 10 by felixstowe_jack |
Another tradrgy caused by anti vaxers. A family of 4 met up for a family meal. None had been vaccinated because they had listed to anti vaxers on Internet. Now 3 have died of tye the virus. |
You can back this up with hard facts? or more propaganda? [Post edited 10 Aug 2021 11:10]
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| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 11:22 - Aug 10 with 778 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 11:10 - Aug 10 by RonaldStump |
You can back this up with hard facts? or more propaganda? [Post edited 10 Aug 2021 11:10]
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He didn't mention the very ill double vaxxed couple that caught COVID in hospital and both died within 12 hours of each other.
That family were in Portugal, not the UK and the last I heard the authorities will not disclose their vaccination status. | | | |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 11:26 - Aug 10 with 776 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 17:25 - Aug 8 by Professor |
This is just daft. Do you have any idea how many infectious disease researchers there are. We have about 100 academic staff in the area, with perhaps 300+ postdoctoral researchers. All the big players will have similar numbers if not more- Oxford,
Cambridge, Birmingham, UCL, Imperial, Bristol, Edinburgh. That’s a thousand to start with. A big microbiology conference has over 10k delegates.
No one is toeing a line. That’s conspiracy bull. There are few dissenters as few people believe the tripe you come up with. Few on your list are anything to do with infection. Are people really being sacked? No. Not even Dolores Cahill- she was removed from teaching at the students’s request at UCD, but still has her job. |
"No one is toeing a line."
Oh no?
how about this?
https://www.fsmb.org/advocacy/
Is that not a direct threat to "toe the line"? | | | |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 11:40 - Aug 10 with 774 views | Professor |
Read it. Says ‘May’. If spreading misinformation. Far from a threat. What about U.K.? No,
Usual American nonsense then. | | | |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 11:43 - Aug 10 with 772 views | RonaldStump |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 11:22 - Aug 10 by A_Fans_Dad |
He didn't mention the very ill double vaxxed couple that caught COVID in hospital and both died within 12 hours of each other.
That family were in Portugal, not the UK and the last I heard the authorities will not disclose their vaccination status. |
Of course he didn't but that make s a bit more sense when it's told correctly!! | |
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| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 12:27 - Aug 10 with 753 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 11:40 - Aug 10 by Professor |
Read it. Says ‘May’. If spreading misinformation. Far from a threat. What about U.K.? No,
Usual American nonsense then. |
You read it how you want to read it, others see it as a direct threat.
The UK, who knows until someone other than the establishment digs up the necessary documentation.
The mere fact you call it "nonsense" is typical of your attitude towards anything you disagree with as usual. | | | |
| One for the Anti vaccination lot on 12:28 - Aug 10 with 752 views | A_Fans_Dad |
Has this Doctor cracked COVID long haul?
https://www.healthrising.org/b
Note there is also COVID Vaccine long haulers as well. | | | |
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