| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. 07:24 - Aug 2 with 5504 views | trampie |
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| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 11:59 - Aug 2 with 704 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 11:56 - Aug 2 by trampie |
Scandinavian countries have socialist policies. |
You seem to have answered a question I haven’t asked there.
I asked if you have any examples of countries that have implemented socialism and it been successful long term…
Knowing of course that there isn’t any examples of it and in order to even make a case you would have to point to countries that aren’t socialist in the slightest. The Nordic model isn’t socialism, and doesn’t claim to be. |  |
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| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 12:00 - Aug 2 with 699 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 11:50 - Aug 2 by Lohengrin |
Which of the 57 varieties of Socialism are you describing there? |
Here's four flavours:
Marxism-Leninism of the Soviet Union
National Socialism of Nazi Germany
Maoism of Communist China
Chavez-Maduro Socialism of Venezuela |  |
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| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 12:02 - Aug 2 with 694 views | onehunglow |
And just why would some want Dr P nannied or gone away.
People need to understand opinions are just that.
P posts without poison and hate . The fact I do not agree with much of what he writes is as of nowt.
Too many see great posts as those with which they agree. The converse is often true.. |  |
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| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 12:07 - Aug 2 with 683 views | trampie |
| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 11:59 - Aug 2 by Dr_Parnassus |
You seem to have answered a question I haven’t asked there.
I asked if you have any examples of countries that have implemented socialism and it been successful long term…
Knowing of course that there isn’t any examples of it and in order to even make a case you would have to point to countries that aren’t socialist in the slightest. The Nordic model isn’t socialism, and doesn’t claim to be. |
The Nordic model is a hybrid system which features a mix of capitalist economics with socialist values.
We are talking welfare programs, social benefits and income distribution. | |
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| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 12:10 - Aug 2 with 664 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 12:07 - Aug 2 by trampie |
The Nordic model is a hybrid system which features a mix of capitalist economics with socialist values.
We are talking welfare programs, social benefits and income distribution. |
So it’s not socialism then. It’s a mixed-market capitalist economic system that features high degrees of private ownership, it’s not socialism or anything resembling it.
We aren’t talking about small freckles of socialism propped up by a wealth of capitalism. Because that would of course be seemed more capitalist than socialist.
So do we have any examples of socialism that has worked long term?
We don’t, do we. | |
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| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 12:26 - Aug 2 with 648 views | trampie |
| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 12:10 - Aug 2 by Dr_Parnassus |
So it’s not socialism then. It’s a mixed-market capitalist economic system that features high degrees of private ownership, it’s not socialism or anything resembling it.
We aren’t talking about small freckles of socialism propped up by a wealth of capitalism. Because that would of course be seemed more capitalist than socialist.
So do we have any examples of socialism that has worked long term?
We don’t, do we. |
It's socialist policies that the Scandinavian countries implement, they have very high taxation to pay for their socialist policies.
Do you agree with the Nordic system compared to USA, UK ?
Do you think the Nordic model is the best economic and social system in the World ? | |
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| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 12:33 - Aug 2 with 636 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 12:26 - Aug 2 by trampie |
It's socialist policies that the Scandinavian countries implement, they have very high taxation to pay for their socialist policies.
Do you agree with the Nordic system compared to USA, UK ?
Do you think the Nordic model is the best economic and social system in the World ? |
It’s not socialism though, is it. It’s capitalism.
The Nordic model works for small countries because it is essentially capitalism. Capitalism will always have a high degree of success probability wherever it is implemented.
Socialism won’t though, which is why it has never worked anywhere in history and usually fails after a generation or two. Not only does it fail but it usually leads to decades upon decades of economic depression, some struggle to recover to any sort of real degree. | |
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| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 12:35 - Aug 2 with 630 views | trampie |
| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 12:33 - Aug 2 by Dr_Parnassus |
It’s not socialism though, is it. It’s capitalism.
The Nordic model works for small countries because it is essentially capitalism. Capitalism will always have a high degree of success probability wherever it is implemented.
Socialism won’t though, which is why it has never worked anywhere in history and usually fails after a generation or two. Not only does it fail but it usually leads to decades upon decades of economic depression, some struggle to recover to any sort of real degree. |
I see not answering. | |
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| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 12:36 - Aug 2 with 630 views | Lohengrin |
| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 12:00 - Aug 2 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Here's four flavours:
Marxism-Leninism of the Soviet Union
National Socialism of Nazi Germany
Maoism of Communist China
Chavez-Maduro Socialism of Venezuela |
That’s the beast showing fangs, employing the full coercive/terror stratagem of the police state.
What people on here are actually advocating when they employ the term’Socialism’ is a rosy mixture of wishful thinking and Methodist Sunday School teaching. |  |
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| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 12:38 - Aug 2 with 625 views | Lohengrin |
| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 12:07 - Aug 2 by trampie |
The Nordic model is a hybrid system which features a mix of capitalist economics with socialist values.
We are talking welfare programs, social benefits and income distribution. |
The foregoing was also, in every respect, the programme of the Salo Republic.  | |
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| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 12:39 - Aug 2 with 621 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 12:35 - Aug 2 by trampie |
I see not answering. |
I’ve answered, you haven’t though.
Their capitalist Nordic model works well for them, it wouldn’t work in countries like America though due to GDP that would fall as it has for the Nordic nations, but that isn’t as impactful to them, where as it would cripple America and they wouldn’t be able to make it sustainable. So no, is the answer I don’t think it’s the best system in the world. | |
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| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 12:44 - Aug 2 with 615 views | Lohengrin |
| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 12:39 - Aug 2 by Dr_Parnassus |
I’ve answered, you haven’t though.
Their capitalist Nordic model works well for them, it wouldn’t work in countries like America though due to GDP that would fall as it has for the Nordic nations, but that isn’t as impactful to them, where as it would cripple America and they wouldn’t be able to make it sustainable. So no, is the answer I don’t think it’s the best system in the world. |
I feel a lecture about economies of scale coming on,,, | |
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| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 12:49 - Aug 2 with 601 views | trampie |
| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 12:44 - Aug 2 by Lohengrin |
I feel a lecture about economies of scale coming on,,, |
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| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 12:49 - Aug 2 with 599 views | Gwyn737 |
| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 12:33 - Aug 2 by Dr_Parnassus |
It’s not socialism though, is it. It’s capitalism.
The Nordic model works for small countries because it is essentially capitalism. Capitalism will always have a high degree of success probability wherever it is implemented.
Socialism won’t though, which is why it has never worked anywhere in history and usually fails after a generation or two. Not only does it fail but it usually leads to decades upon decades of economic depression, some struggle to recover to any sort of real degree. |
A good example of where both are needed for society to work.
Capitalism to charge the economy and pay for the socialism to stop folks getting left behind.
It’s the way forward for all and does not need to be a binary choice.
Socialism goes to far when it can’t pay for itself (let alone innovation) and capitalism goes to far when it becomes selfish and falls into economic conservatism. | | | |
| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 12:56 - Aug 2 with 586 views | Lohengrin |
| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 12:49 - Aug 2 by Gwyn737 |
A good example of where both are needed for society to work.
Capitalism to charge the economy and pay for the socialism to stop folks getting left behind.
It’s the way forward for all and does not need to be a binary choice.
Socialism goes to far when it can’t pay for itself (let alone innovation) and capitalism goes to far when it becomes selfish and falls into economic conservatism. |
Well said, Sir Oswald. Are you sure we can’t persuade you to stick with the Labour Party, we’re in the best position to amplify your thinking...  | |
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| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 12:57 - Aug 2 with 582 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 12:49 - Aug 2 by Gwyn737 |
A good example of where both are needed for society to work.
Capitalism to charge the economy and pay for the socialism to stop folks getting left behind.
It’s the way forward for all and does not need to be a binary choice.
Socialism goes to far when it can’t pay for itself (let alone innovation) and capitalism goes to far when it becomes selfish and falls into economic conservatism. |
Socialism can never pay for itself, it fails from the day it’s implemented. Nobody has any control over their destiny and it’s a waiting game before your family is searching out stale bread to survive. I liken it to jumping out of a plane without a parachute, you may still be alive at the current moment - it’s just waiting to hit the ground.
Capitalism gives an element of control over your families life. Each wealth class is completely interchangeable and you can go from the poorest class to the richest class, largely depending on hard work and entereprenpurialship.
Any smattering of socialist ideal within a capitalist framework is still capitalism. Any large taxation to supplement others will just see those people take their wealth (and their jobs) elsewhere. As you have seen in California and the exodus of the state. | |
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| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 13:00 - Aug 2 with 577 views | Gwyn737 |
| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 12:57 - Aug 2 by Dr_Parnassus |
Socialism can never pay for itself, it fails from the day it’s implemented. Nobody has any control over their destiny and it’s a waiting game before your family is searching out stale bread to survive. I liken it to jumping out of a plane without a parachute, you may still be alive at the current moment - it’s just waiting to hit the ground.
Capitalism gives an element of control over your families life. Each wealth class is completely interchangeable and you can go from the poorest class to the richest class, largely depending on hard work and entereprenpurialship.
Any smattering of socialist ideal within a capitalist framework is still capitalism. Any large taxation to supplement others will just see those people take their wealth (and their jobs) elsewhere. As you have seen in California and the exodus of the state. |
I don’t disagree.
How you quantify the amount of socialism I don’t know.
What I do know is that it has to be there. | | | |
| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 13:26 - Aug 2 with 549 views | ItchySphincter |
| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 11:42 - Aug 2 by Dr_Parnassus |
Not sure what you mean by “going on about it”. I was simply replying to you.
You made an observation regarding a possible reason, I responded to that reasoning by telling you that it didn’t really make sense as a reason.
This thread has become about you as much as it has about me. You brought up a view that you clearly didn’t want to be discussed, which is odd.
What an odd exchange. |
Try no to get so invested, you won’t find it odd then, it’s just chitchat, and honestly I don’t care if you are far right. |  |
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| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 13:29 - Aug 2 with 541 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 13:26 - Aug 2 by ItchySphincter |
Try no to get so invested, you won’t find it odd then, it’s just chitchat, and honestly I don’t care if you are far right. |
I thought it was just chit chat too, you didn’t seem to like me replying to you though, which is what I found odd.
I can only assume you weren’t adding a post for quality and thought it would pass under the radar maybe. Who knows. | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 13:32 - Aug 2 with 541 views | ItchySphincter |
| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 13:29 - Aug 2 by Dr_Parnassus |
I thought it was just chit chat too, you didn’t seem to like me replying to you though, which is what I found odd.
I can only assume you weren’t adding a post for quality and thought it would pass under the radar maybe. Who knows. |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 13:32 - Aug 2 with 541 views | ItchySphincter |
| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 13:29 - Aug 2 by Dr_Parnassus |
I thought it was just chit chat too, you didn’t seem to like me replying to you though, which is what I found odd.
I can only assume you weren’t adding a post for quality and thought it would pass under the radar maybe. Who knows. |
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| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 13:34 - Aug 2 with 538 views | ItchySphincter |
Don’t you just hate it when a network kicks you off and your post disappears? And be arsed to re-type it now. | |
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| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 13:35 - Aug 2 with 537 views | Gwyn737 |
| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 12:56 - Aug 2 by Lohengrin |
Well said, Sir Oswald. Are you sure we can’t persuade you to stick with the Labour Party, we’re in the best position to amplify your thinking... |
I’m politically homeless, Loh. | | | |
| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 13:38 - Aug 2 with 534 views | ItchySphincter |
Communism, even as an ideology, is only ever supposed to be temporary. Socialism in a capitalist society is perfectly realistic. | |
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| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 13:38 - Aug 2 with 531 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The right wing on here are not going to like Swans new manager politics. on 13:34 - Aug 2 by ItchySphincter |
Don’t you just hate it when a network kicks you off and your post disappears? And be arsed to re-type it now. |
Depends if it was worth typing or not.
It appears not. | |
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