| EFL players refusing to be vaccinated is cause for concern ? 17:35 - Dec 16 with 2759 views | SwansIndependent |
 EFL players refusing to be vaccinated is cause for concern ? 16th Dec 2021 17:33The English football league has released data covering the amount of EFL players who are unvaccinated, or will not and have refused to be vaccinated this evening. It has been greeted with some surprise due to the amount of players involved.  1
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| EFL players refusing to be vaccinated is cause for concern ? on 10:47 - Dec 18 with 990 views | andrew |
Fantastic that footballers aren’t looking after their health by not getting the jab. Too many people I know or have heard of are not the same after having their jabs (younger people). All the players holding their chest, collapsing and even dying are massively increases this season, wonder why?
I’ve not been able to run properly since mine, of course the media and government aren’t going to mention it, as they’ll be the ones who have to pay the compo also Pfizer don’t get their jab La bought which they sell to us at 30 times what they’re made for.
The jab is saving older lives, but it’ll destroy young peoples bodies. You’re all in for a shock in the next year or 2. | |
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| EFL players refusing to be vaccinated is cause for concern ? on 15:38 - Dec 18 with 938 views | Whiterockin |
| EFL players refusing to be vaccinated is cause for concern ? on 09:25 - Dec 17 by hobo |
Makes no difference vaccinated or not. Players aren't going to become hospitalised with covid so there's no reason for them to get the vax.
On the flip side though, if they develop heart problems as a result of having the injecction, then that's their career over. I'm amazed that 50%+ have decided to have it, but no doubt they've sadly been pressured into it from their club |
Players are not going to be hospitalised really, they are no different to the rest of us.
https://www.standard.co.uk/spo |  | | |
| EFL players refusing to be vaccinated is cause for concern ? on 16:42 - Dec 18 with 914 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
The players are clearly quite selfish in their approach. They declined to take a pay drop when there was no fans. This presumably will be reflected in less money for new deals. Grimes came across this problem when his agent could not find him a juicy enough contract.
Ntcham was a surprising Swansea addition for a player linked to Champions league clubs in the past .
The selfish players will cost their teams money but will not play any less games. The season will last longer and their summer breaks in Abu Dhabi or Barbados will be reduced. One or two will return late like that fellow at Arsenal and be suspended.
The Germans will have a few more weeks in the sun. |  |
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| EFL players refusing to be vaccinated is cause for concern ? on 17:00 - Dec 18 with 905 views | hobo |
| EFL players refusing to be vaccinated is cause for concern ? on 15:38 - Dec 18 by Whiterockin |
Players are not going to be hospitalised really, they are no different to the rest of us.
https://www.standard.co.uk/spo |
As the saying goes, "there's always one!"  |  | | |
| EFL players refusing to be vaccinated is cause for concern ? on 18:39 - Dec 18 with 889 views | hobo |
Exeter City manager Matt Taylor told BBC Sport he would not be influencing any of his players to get vaccinated, stressing it was "their decision".
"From my discussions with players who haven't had the vaccine, there's a lot of influences, and they're understandable," Taylor said.
"Whether it be things in terms of enlarged organs, heart problems, respiratory problems, possible fertility issues, they've got a whole host of questions which come up and often remain unanswered." | | | |
| EFL players refusing to be vaccinated is cause for concern ? on 19:20 - Dec 18 with 881 views | jasper_T |
| EFL players refusing to be vaccinated is cause for concern ? on 18:39 - Dec 18 by hobo |
Exeter City manager Matt Taylor told BBC Sport he would not be influencing any of his players to get vaccinated, stressing it was "their decision".
"From my discussions with players who haven't had the vaccine, there's a lot of influences, and they're understandable," Taylor said.
"Whether it be things in terms of enlarged organs, heart problems, respiratory problems, possible fertility issues, they've got a whole host of questions which come up and often remain unanswered." |
He's just as thick as most players. | | | |
| EFL players refusing to be vaccinated is cause for concern ? on 20:31 - Dec 18 with 855 views | onehunglow |
| EFL players refusing to be vaccinated is cause for concern ? on 10:47 - Dec 18 by andrew |
Fantastic that footballers aren’t looking after their health by not getting the jab. Too many people I know or have heard of are not the same after having their jabs (younger people). All the players holding their chest, collapsing and even dying are massively increases this season, wonder why?
I’ve not been able to run properly since mine, of course the media and government aren’t going to mention it, as they’ll be the ones who have to pay the compo also Pfizer don’t get their jab La bought which they sell to us at 30 times what they’re made for.
The jab is saving older lives, but it’ll destroy young peoples bodies. You’re all in for a shock in the next year or 2. |
You might not see it.
Dont take life for granted.
It could end tomorrow for you ,me or both of us. | |
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| EFL players refusing to be vaccinated is cause for concern ? on 11:06 - Dec 19 with 821 views | andrew |
| EFL players refusing to be vaccinated is cause for concern ? on 20:31 - Dec 18 by onehunglow |
You might not see it.
Dont take life for granted.
It could end tomorrow for you ,me or both of us. |
I can assure you I won’t be dying any time soon, of or with covid. | |
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| EFL players refusing to be vaccinated is cause for concern ? on 11:44 - Dec 19 with 811 views | onehunglow |
| EFL players refusing to be vaccinated is cause for concern ? on 11:06 - Dec 19 by andrew |
I can assure you I won’t be dying any time soon, of or with covid. |
You truly need to reread that .
Trust me,that is as dangerous and eluded a text a I have ever read and I hope it doesnt come back and haunt you forever. [Post edited 19 Dec 2021 11:45]
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| EFL players refusing to be vaccinated is cause for concern ? on 12:30 - Dec 19 with 797 views | RonaldStump |
Good on any player that is exercising there inalienable right to decline the poison. When you see the amount of people collapsing or with heart problems strokes etc increasing 10 fold you have to do a risk assessment and take the right path for yourself. Fit and healthy youngsters who have a 98% survival rate with convid on one hand then on the other you have players collapsing at a rate of 4-5 a year pre poison roll out increasing to 188 in the last year post poison roll out.
Then you have people like Mat Le Tiss, Trevor Sinclair etc who care for their fellow professionals asking question that are quickly brushed under the carpet, censored or just totally ignored. You really do have to ask yourself WHY?
We need a national debate as soon as possible. If there is nothing to hide DO IT | |
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| EFL players refusing to be vaccinated is cause for concern ? on 08:59 - Dec 20 with 750 views | KeithHaynes |
| EFL players refusing to be vaccinated is cause for concern ? on 12:30 - Dec 19 by RonaldStump |
Good on any player that is exercising there inalienable right to decline the poison. When you see the amount of people collapsing or with heart problems strokes etc increasing 10 fold you have to do a risk assessment and take the right path for yourself. Fit and healthy youngsters who have a 98% survival rate with convid on one hand then on the other you have players collapsing at a rate of 4-5 a year pre poison roll out increasing to 188 in the last year post poison roll out.
Then you have people like Mat Le Tiss, Trevor Sinclair etc who care for their fellow professionals asking question that are quickly brushed under the carpet, censored or just totally ignored. You really do have to ask yourself WHY?
We need a national debate as soon as possible. If there is nothing to hide DO IT |
Choice is choice.
As for Matt Le Tissier he shouldn’t be anywhere near football. Corrupt. |  |
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| EFL players refusing to be vaccinated is cause for concern ? on 11:28 - Dec 20 with 727 views | whiterock |
| EFL players refusing to be vaccinated is cause for concern ? on 09:25 - Dec 17 by hobo |
Makes no difference vaccinated or not. Players aren't going to become hospitalised with covid so there's no reason for them to get the vax.
On the flip side though, if they develop heart problems as a result of having the injecction, then that's their career over. I'm amazed that 50%+ have decided to have it, but no doubt they've sadly been pressured into it from their club |
In hospital, Covid-19 has largely become a disease of the unvaccinated. The man in his 20s who had always watched what he ate, worked out in the gym, was too healthy to ever catch Covid badly. The 48-year-old who never got round to making the appointment.
The person in their 50s whose friend had side-effects. The woman who wanted to wait for more evidence. The young pregnant lady worried about the effect on her baby.
The 60-year-old, brought to hospital with oxygen saturations of 70% by the ambulance that he initially called for his partner, who had died by the time it arrived; both believed that the drug companies bribed the government to get the vaccine approved.
All severely ill with Covid. All unvaccinated and previously healthy. All completely avoidable.
Of course, there are people who have their vaccinations but still get sick. These people may be elderly or frail, or have underlying health problems. Those with illnesses affecting the immune system, particularly patients who have had chemotherapy for blood cancers, are especially vulnerable. Some unlucky healthy people will also end up on our general wards with Covid after being vaccinated, usually needing a modest amount of oxygen for a few days.
But the story is different on our intensive care unit. Here, the patient population consists of a few vulnerable people with severe underlying health problems and a majority of fit, healthy, younger people unvaccinated by choice. Watching the mix of patients coming in with Covid, it feels to me like hardly anybody has been vaccinated nowadays; of course, this is because the people that have been vaccinated are getting on with their lives at home. If everyone got vaccinated, hospitals would be under much less pressure; this is beyond debate. Your wait for your clinic appointment/operation/diagnostic test/A&E department would be shorter. Your ambulance would arrive sooner. Reports of the pressure on the NHS are not exaggerated, I promise you.
Furthermore, we have recently rolled out a new medication for patients without antibodies against Covid. It costs about £2,000 a treatment and is subject to a rigorous and time-consuming approval process for every case we treat. Guess which patients don’t have these antibodies (spoiler: it’s not the ones who have been vaccinated).
Most of the resources that we are devoting to Covid in hospital are now being spent on the unvaccinated.
Yes, vaccinations are unpleasant. They cause side-effects. They hurt. You may even still catch Covid afterwards. I have many colleagues who have felt awful after vaccination and a few who had to take a day or two off work. However, I have not heard of any who have been hospitalised with Covid afterwards or who have had severe side-effects. The approvals process was incredibly stringent and we now have an unbelievable amount of real-world data that these vaccines work. The science that has been applied here is nothing short of awe-inspiring to me. However, I realise that none of these rational arguments would change the mind of someone who is resolved against having it, although I suppose it may push someone who remains undecided.
As a respiratory doctor, I have spent my whole career treating people whose lung diseases have been caused by smoking, including long after they knew the risks. I have spent countless hours with people who blame themselves for ruining their health; I have thought a lot about our personal responsibility for our health and to what degree we should be held accountable for our choices. I personally — unlike some of my colleagues — have never felt any ambivalence about treating smokers without judgment in exactly the same way as people with diseases that are not seen as self-inflicted.
Enshrined in the way we protect patients’ autonomy is the recognition that others may reasonably make decisions we may see as irrational or wrong. We are all products of our upbringing, education and opportunities, and I have been hugely fortunate that in my case these have led me to make decisions I value. Who is to say I wouldn’t have made different choices in someone else’s shoes.
Translating this to the choice not to take the vaccine, however, I find my patience wearing thin. I think this is for a number of reasons. Even if you are not worried about your own risk from Covid, you cannot know the risk of the people into whose faces you may cough; there is a dangerous and selfish element to this that I find hard to stomach.
Some of my frustration is directed upwards, at the flagrant misinformation flourishing in certain places and the utterly woeful example that our leaders continue to set. I have never heard a reason not to take the vaccine that I have agreed with. Most of all, however, I am now beaten back, exhausted, worn down by the continuous stream of people that we battle to treat when they have consciously passed up the opportunity to save themselves. It does make me angry.
Despite this, I find the idea of NHS and care staff being forced to be vaccinated very difficult. I know that it is the right outcome, but I dislike the means of bringing it about. It is incredible to me that there is so much anxiety and falsehood around that this could possibly be necessary after the year we have all witnessed. How strong is the hold that this information has on people that it outweighs rational thought?
Maybe it’s just that others have not seen what I have recently, or do not believe it, but even now we have nurses on our Covid ward who have not been vaccinated. I just hope that we don’t end up losing yet more staff.
Fundamentally though, for me, it comes down to this. I can’t think of a single case offhand of a person who was previously fit and healthy who has ended up needing intensive care after being fully vaccinated. It may not stop you from catching Covid. But it can save your life when you do.
The writer is an NHS respiratory consultant who works across a number of hospitals | | | |
| EFL players refusing to be vaccinated is cause for concern ? on 15:00 - Dec 20 with 693 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| EFL players refusing to be vaccinated is cause for concern ? on 11:28 - Dec 20 by whiterock |
In hospital, Covid-19 has largely become a disease of the unvaccinated. The man in his 20s who had always watched what he ate, worked out in the gym, was too healthy to ever catch Covid badly. The 48-year-old who never got round to making the appointment.
The person in their 50s whose friend had side-effects. The woman who wanted to wait for more evidence. The young pregnant lady worried about the effect on her baby.
The 60-year-old, brought to hospital with oxygen saturations of 70% by the ambulance that he initially called for his partner, who had died by the time it arrived; both believed that the drug companies bribed the government to get the vaccine approved.
All severely ill with Covid. All unvaccinated and previously healthy. All completely avoidable.
Of course, there are people who have their vaccinations but still get sick. These people may be elderly or frail, or have underlying health problems. Those with illnesses affecting the immune system, particularly patients who have had chemotherapy for blood cancers, are especially vulnerable. Some unlucky healthy people will also end up on our general wards with Covid after being vaccinated, usually needing a modest amount of oxygen for a few days.
But the story is different on our intensive care unit. Here, the patient population consists of a few vulnerable people with severe underlying health problems and a majority of fit, healthy, younger people unvaccinated by choice. Watching the mix of patients coming in with Covid, it feels to me like hardly anybody has been vaccinated nowadays; of course, this is because the people that have been vaccinated are getting on with their lives at home. If everyone got vaccinated, hospitals would be under much less pressure; this is beyond debate. Your wait for your clinic appointment/operation/diagnostic test/A&E department would be shorter. Your ambulance would arrive sooner. Reports of the pressure on the NHS are not exaggerated, I promise you.
Furthermore, we have recently rolled out a new medication for patients without antibodies against Covid. It costs about £2,000 a treatment and is subject to a rigorous and time-consuming approval process for every case we treat. Guess which patients don’t have these antibodies (spoiler: it’s not the ones who have been vaccinated).
Most of the resources that we are devoting to Covid in hospital are now being spent on the unvaccinated.
Yes, vaccinations are unpleasant. They cause side-effects. They hurt. You may even still catch Covid afterwards. I have many colleagues who have felt awful after vaccination and a few who had to take a day or two off work. However, I have not heard of any who have been hospitalised with Covid afterwards or who have had severe side-effects. The approvals process was incredibly stringent and we now have an unbelievable amount of real-world data that these vaccines work. The science that has been applied here is nothing short of awe-inspiring to me. However, I realise that none of these rational arguments would change the mind of someone who is resolved against having it, although I suppose it may push someone who remains undecided.
As a respiratory doctor, I have spent my whole career treating people whose lung diseases have been caused by smoking, including long after they knew the risks. I have spent countless hours with people who blame themselves for ruining their health; I have thought a lot about our personal responsibility for our health and to what degree we should be held accountable for our choices. I personally — unlike some of my colleagues — have never felt any ambivalence about treating smokers without judgment in exactly the same way as people with diseases that are not seen as self-inflicted.
Enshrined in the way we protect patients’ autonomy is the recognition that others may reasonably make decisions we may see as irrational or wrong. We are all products of our upbringing, education and opportunities, and I have been hugely fortunate that in my case these have led me to make decisions I value. Who is to say I wouldn’t have made different choices in someone else’s shoes.
Translating this to the choice not to take the vaccine, however, I find my patience wearing thin. I think this is for a number of reasons. Even if you are not worried about your own risk from Covid, you cannot know the risk of the people into whose faces you may cough; there is a dangerous and selfish element to this that I find hard to stomach.
Some of my frustration is directed upwards, at the flagrant misinformation flourishing in certain places and the utterly woeful example that our leaders continue to set. I have never heard a reason not to take the vaccine that I have agreed with. Most of all, however, I am now beaten back, exhausted, worn down by the continuous stream of people that we battle to treat when they have consciously passed up the opportunity to save themselves. It does make me angry.
Despite this, I find the idea of NHS and care staff being forced to be vaccinated very difficult. I know that it is the right outcome, but I dislike the means of bringing it about. It is incredible to me that there is so much anxiety and falsehood around that this could possibly be necessary after the year we have all witnessed. How strong is the hold that this information has on people that it outweighs rational thought?
Maybe it’s just that others have not seen what I have recently, or do not believe it, but even now we have nurses on our Covid ward who have not been vaccinated. I just hope that we don’t end up losing yet more staff.
Fundamentally though, for me, it comes down to this. I can’t think of a single case offhand of a person who was previously fit and healthy who has ended up needing intensive care after being fully vaccinated. It may not stop you from catching Covid. But it can save your life when you do.
The writer is an NHS respiratory consultant who works across a number of hospitals |
What a wonderfully emotive story that is.
Pity the facts do not agree with their assessment.
Quote"If everyone got vaccinated, hospitals would be under much less pressure; this is beyond debate. Your wait for your clinic appointment/operation/diagnostic test/A&E department would be shorter. Your ambulance would arrive sooner. Reports of the pressure on the NHS are not exaggerated, I promise you. "
First of all over half of those in hospital are Vaxxed. 3 times as many Vaxxed are dying as unvaxxed. The Government's latest data.
Also NHS data for England up till 14th December (latest data) where I assume this "consultant" works.
Adult General and Acute beds occupied by COVID patients = 4795
Adult General and Acute beds occupied by NON-COVID patients = 79864
Adult General and Acute beds NOT occupied by any patients = 4407.
So Covid patients occupy 5.7% of all occupied beds, less than half of them are Unvaccinated.
So if everyone had been vaccinated it would make a difference of 2.9% overall.
From December 1st to the 14th NON Covid beds increased by 1735, Covid beds increased by 276.
You can believe this Consultant if you want and I will believe the official data until they are proven wrong. | | | |
| EFL players refusing to be vaccinated is cause for concern ? on 16:52 - Dec 20 with 669 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| EFL players refusing to be vaccinated is cause for concern ? on 15:00 - Dec 20 by A_Fans_Dad |
What a wonderfully emotive story that is.
Pity the facts do not agree with their assessment.
Quote"If everyone got vaccinated, hospitals would be under much less pressure; this is beyond debate. Your wait for your clinic appointment/operation/diagnostic test/A&E department would be shorter. Your ambulance would arrive sooner. Reports of the pressure on the NHS are not exaggerated, I promise you. "
First of all over half of those in hospital are Vaxxed. 3 times as many Vaxxed are dying as unvaxxed. The Government's latest data.
Also NHS data for England up till 14th December (latest data) where I assume this "consultant" works.
Adult General and Acute beds occupied by COVID patients = 4795
Adult General and Acute beds occupied by NON-COVID patients = 79864
Adult General and Acute beds NOT occupied by any patients = 4407.
So Covid patients occupy 5.7% of all occupied beds, less than half of them are Unvaccinated.
So if everyone had been vaccinated it would make a difference of 2.9% overall.
From December 1st to the 14th NON Covid beds increased by 1735, Covid beds increased by 276.
You can believe this Consultant if you want and I will believe the official data until they are proven wrong. |
According to Javed 9 out of 10 covid patient 'needing most care' are unvaccinated. I presume "needing most care relates to beds ventilators and nursing attention
https://www.theguardian.com/wo [Post edited 20 Dec 2021 16:54]
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| EFL players refusing to be vaccinated is cause for concern ? on 19:15 - Dec 20 with 640 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| EFL players refusing to be vaccinated is cause for concern ? on 16:52 - Dec 20 by ReslovenSwan1 |
According to Javed 9 out of 10 covid patient 'needing most care' are unvaccinated. I presume "needing most care relates to beds ventilators and nursing attention
https://www.theguardian.com/wo [Post edited 20 Dec 2021 16:54]
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If that is true why are 3 times as many Vaccinated dying, don't they deserve "most care" as well? | | | |
| EFL players refusing to be vaccinated is cause for concern ? on 19:45 - Dec 20 with 624 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| EFL players refusing to be vaccinated is cause for concern ? on 19:15 - Dec 20 by A_Fans_Dad |
If that is true why are 3 times as many Vaccinated dying, don't they deserve "most care" as well? |
Its the good old "underlying health conditions " I expect.
10 % 1 death 10 % of un vaxxed dying.
90% 3 deaths 3% of vaxxed dying. | |
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