| Russia invade Ukraine 14:17 - Dec 23 with 151312 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
Discuss.
Also why is Putin always described in the media as this rugged strongman? He’s barely five foot tall with his high heels on.
But that’s another debate.
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 17:18 - Mar 21 with 1066 views | onehunglow |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 17:00 - Mar 21 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
We have to allow it. We have no choice. This is the world we created. One stray bullet and the nuclear warheads start falling. Humanity as we know it is on the precipice.
I don’t think a lot of people realise how serious this actually is.
The only hope is that resistance within Russia seems to be growing. |
I take your point .
Frankly,sometimes A world war blow out wouldn’t bother me .a quick death probably.
I’m finding it hard to watch Ukrainian kids being attacked in hospitals,schools and refuges
Meanwhile Chelsea FC are upset over their chairman that was . We are that hypocritical.
This shames us all,make no mistake
Are Zrussians really that dumb to be taken in like this ? .many really do support this action.. they are a cruel people . | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 17:33 - Mar 21 with 1053 views | Scotia |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 17:00 - Mar 21 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
We have to allow it. We have no choice. This is the world we created. One stray bullet and the nuclear warheads start falling. Humanity as we know it is on the precipice.
I don’t think a lot of people realise how serious this actually is.
The only hope is that resistance within Russia seems to be growing. |
Correct unfortunately.
I'm genuinely worried what NATO 's red line is, if they have one outside of the NATO border? Russia using chemical weapons? A Strategic nuke? Destroying a few more cities population and all?
The other big thing is the sanity of Putin. I've got no doubt he'd happily kill millions.
I'm hoping for some sort of a peace deal and Putin and his cronies disappearing over the next decade. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 17:43 - Mar 21 with 1048 views | 73__73 |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 17:18 - Mar 21 by onehunglow |
I take your point .
Frankly,sometimes A world war blow out wouldn’t bother me .a quick death probably.
I’m finding it hard to watch Ukrainian kids being attacked in hospitals,schools and refuges
Meanwhile Chelsea FC are upset over their chairman that was . We are that hypocritical.
This shames us all,make no mistake
Are Zrussians really that dumb to be taken in like this ? .many really do support this action.. they are a cruel people . |
You are not worried about a world war, seems hard to believe from someone who is shite scared of covid. | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 18:34 - Mar 21 with 1012 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 17:18 - Mar 21 by onehunglow |
I take your point .
Frankly,sometimes A world war blow out wouldn’t bother me .a quick death probably.
I’m finding it hard to watch Ukrainian kids being attacked in hospitals,schools and refuges
Meanwhile Chelsea FC are upset over their chairman that was . We are that hypocritical.
This shames us all,make no mistake
Are Zrussians really that dumb to be taken in like this ? .many really do support this action.. they are a cruel people . |
Did you watch that bizarre spectacle before the war started? Where Putins closest ministers spoke one by one in that weird semi circle about 100m away from Putin on the other side of the room? You could almost taste the reluctance. They know this is an absolute suicide mission that will put Russia back 30 years.
There was a guy on radio 4 early this morning who made a good point, how did the west know with such certainty Putin’s plans for invasion? Almost down to the correct day? Someone in there is a leaker. And I don’t mean the ones pissing themselves in fear. How are the Ukrainians getting the intel of the high ranking soldiers positions? It’s not luck that they’ve taken out so many generals. This is rare in any war for the high rankers to be taken out with such efficiency. They know exactly where they are. Someone is feeding them this information.
And the only people with access to this information is someone relatively close to Putin. He knows this which is why he is keeping them all at arms length, he can’t do everything on his own. Like any tyrant he is constantly in a state of paranoia watching for that shadowy figure wielding a knife in the dark. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 18:45 - Mar 21 with 1009 views | shingle |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 17:00 - Mar 21 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
We have to allow it. We have no choice. This is the world we created. One stray bullet and the nuclear warheads start falling. Humanity as we know it is on the precipice.
I don’t think a lot of people realise how serious this actually is.
The only hope is that resistance within Russia seems to be growing. |
Sadly its highly unlikely there will be much resistance from the Russian people, these idiots have allowed themselves to be suppressed for as long as we can remember, they believe all the propaganda and are even quite prepared to see there clueless 18 to 21 year olds sent to there deaths in there droves and most of them have no idea what they are actually fighting for, they are a nation of dimwits ruled over by scumbags to do not give a fcuk about them, hopefully someone powerful within the regime will get fed up of Putin and get rid of him by putting a Bullet in his head or by some other sinister way. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 22:35 - Mar 21 with 952 views | DJack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 18:34 - Mar 21 by Flynnidine_Zidownes |
Did you watch that bizarre spectacle before the war started? Where Putins closest ministers spoke one by one in that weird semi circle about 100m away from Putin on the other side of the room? You could almost taste the reluctance. They know this is an absolute suicide mission that will put Russia back 30 years.
There was a guy on radio 4 early this morning who made a good point, how did the west know with such certainty Putin’s plans for invasion? Almost down to the correct day? Someone in there is a leaker. And I don’t mean the ones pissing themselves in fear. How are the Ukrainians getting the intel of the high ranking soldiers positions? It’s not luck that they’ve taken out so many generals. This is rare in any war for the high rankers to be taken out with such efficiency. They know exactly where they are. Someone is feeding them this information.
And the only people with access to this information is someone relatively close to Putin. He knows this which is why he is keeping them all at arms length, he can’t do everything on his own. Like any tyrant he is constantly in a state of paranoia watching for that shadowy figure wielding a knife in the dark. |
The Russian secure comms system relies on 3g/4g. The soldiers in the field were not aware of this and they destroyed the phone masts in their operational area...Ooopsie!
The Russians (Officers as soldiers had their phones taken from them before the invasion) were forced to use normal mobile phones and the 2g network and when calls were intercepted and triangulated Ukrainian forces went in and had a party.
Oh dear, nevermind. |  |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 23:56 - Mar 21 with 934 views | Ajack_Kerouac |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 22:35 - Mar 21 by DJack |
The Russian secure comms system relies on 3g/4g. The soldiers in the field were not aware of this and they destroyed the phone masts in their operational area...Ooopsie!
The Russians (Officers as soldiers had their phones taken from them before the invasion) were forced to use normal mobile phones and the 2g network and when calls were intercepted and triangulated Ukrainian forces went in and had a party.
Oh dear, nevermind. |
You are so naive.
That is the story being put out in our media but do you think that they would advertise this to the Russians so they can put the problem right?.
No chance.
Far more likely that they do have people on the inside giving them info and they are trying to protect them by putting out false narratives. |  |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 00:53 - Mar 22 with 927 views | Ajack_Kerouac |
On Sunday Zelensky banned 11 opposition parties.
1) 'Opposition Platform - For Life '
- Pro Russian, anti-EU
Leader: Viktor Medvedchuk
44 seats out of 450.
2) 'Opposition Bloc'
- a pro-Russian political party in Ukraine that was founded in 2014 by the merger of six parties that did not endorse Euromaidan. Legally, the party was created by renaming the lesser-known party "Leading Force". The party was perceived as the successor of the disbanded Party of Regions
Leaders: Borys Kolesnikov (one wing), Yuriy Boyko (another wing) & Vadym Novynskyi (Fraction in Verkhovna Rada)
Zelensky had already banned this party from holding any seats, but now they are banned from all activities (They represent 10% of the electorate).
3) Party of Shariy
- Its official proclaimed ideology is libertarianism
Leader: Anatoly Shariy
2.25% of the vote
4) Derzhava (Ukrainian party)
- formed a coalition with the Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine after the Orange Revolution. Its former name was "Rus United"
Leader: Hennadiy Vasilyev
Tiny amount of votes
5) Nashi
- Centre politics, pro-Russian stance
Leader: Yevheniy Murayev
3.23% of the vote
6) Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine
- is a pro-Russian National Bolshevik political party in Ukraine . The party favoures Ukraine's full-scale entry in the Eurasian Economic Community (including its Customs Union); the protection of the non-aligned status of Ukraine; abolition of NATO exercises in Ukraine; giving the Russian language status as official language along with Ukrainian; annulment of former President Viktor Yushchenko's decrees on awarding the title of Hero of Ukraine.
The party has close ties with the Eurasian Youth Union and its leader Aleksandr Dugin. The party espouses conservative positions and has often been accused of racism and antisemitism
Leader: Nataliya Vitrenko.
Already banned, also banned from any activities now.
7. Socialist Party of Ukraine
- The Socialist Party of Ukraine is a social democratic political party in Ukraine. It is one of the oldest parties and was created by the former members of the Soviet-era Communist Party of Ukraine in late 1991 when the Communist Party was banned.
Leader: Serhiy Kaplin
Used to be 4th largest party, now it is tiny.
8. Union of Leftists
- The party was founded on 8 December 2007 and its goals were empower local communities, provide state support for poor regions, stop the privatization of strategic state enterprises and the sale of agricultural land, make Ukraine geopolitically neutral and make Russian the second state language.
In November 2008, the party headquarters were the target of arson. According to the party, this was connected to an action against radical nationalism in Ukraine conducted by the party in Simferopol the day before where they burned swastikas and flags of some nationalist parties.
Leader: Vasyl Volha
9. Volodymyr Saldo Block
Can't find any info on them.
10. Our Ukraine
- Centre right (National liberalism, Economic liberalism, Liberal conservatism, Conservatism, Pro-Europeanism)
Leader: Viktor Yushchenko
11. ??????????
Can't find any info on the alleged "11th" | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 01:30 - Mar 22 with 921 views | DJack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 23:56 - Mar 21 by Ajack_Kerouac |
You are so naive.
That is the story being put out in our media but do you think that they would advertise this to the Russians so they can put the problem right?.
No chance.
Far more likely that they do have people on the inside giving them info and they are trying to protect them by putting out false narratives. |
They put out the recording of a telephone call to the FSB in which it was revealed on of their 1-Star generals was killed.
I dont doubt that they have other avenues of SIGINT but the fact still remains that the Russki's effed any chance of using their own secure comms. | |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 10:19 - Mar 22 with 868 views | majorraglan |
The American’s are now warning Russia appears to be getting ready to use chemical and or biological weapons in Ukraine. Given that the American intelligence has been pretty good so far, it’s a very concerning development. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 12:44 - Mar 22 with 852 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 00:53 - Mar 22 by Ajack_Kerouac |
On Sunday Zelensky banned 11 opposition parties.
1) 'Opposition Platform - For Life '
- Pro Russian, anti-EU
Leader: Viktor Medvedchuk
44 seats out of 450.
2) 'Opposition Bloc'
- a pro-Russian political party in Ukraine that was founded in 2014 by the merger of six parties that did not endorse Euromaidan. Legally, the party was created by renaming the lesser-known party "Leading Force". The party was perceived as the successor of the disbanded Party of Regions
Leaders: Borys Kolesnikov (one wing), Yuriy Boyko (another wing) & Vadym Novynskyi (Fraction in Verkhovna Rada)
Zelensky had already banned this party from holding any seats, but now they are banned from all activities (They represent 10% of the electorate).
3) Party of Shariy
- Its official proclaimed ideology is libertarianism
Leader: Anatoly Shariy
2.25% of the vote
4) Derzhava (Ukrainian party)
- formed a coalition with the Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine after the Orange Revolution. Its former name was "Rus United"
Leader: Hennadiy Vasilyev
Tiny amount of votes
5) Nashi
- Centre politics, pro-Russian stance
Leader: Yevheniy Murayev
3.23% of the vote
6) Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine
- is a pro-Russian National Bolshevik political party in Ukraine . The party favoures Ukraine's full-scale entry in the Eurasian Economic Community (including its Customs Union); the protection of the non-aligned status of Ukraine; abolition of NATO exercises in Ukraine; giving the Russian language status as official language along with Ukrainian; annulment of former President Viktor Yushchenko's decrees on awarding the title of Hero of Ukraine.
The party has close ties with the Eurasian Youth Union and its leader Aleksandr Dugin. The party espouses conservative positions and has often been accused of racism and antisemitism
Leader: Nataliya Vitrenko.
Already banned, also banned from any activities now.
7. Socialist Party of Ukraine
- The Socialist Party of Ukraine is a social democratic political party in Ukraine. It is one of the oldest parties and was created by the former members of the Soviet-era Communist Party of Ukraine in late 1991 when the Communist Party was banned.
Leader: Serhiy Kaplin
Used to be 4th largest party, now it is tiny.
8. Union of Leftists
- The party was founded on 8 December 2007 and its goals were empower local communities, provide state support for poor regions, stop the privatization of strategic state enterprises and the sale of agricultural land, make Ukraine geopolitically neutral and make Russian the second state language.
In November 2008, the party headquarters were the target of arson. According to the party, this was connected to an action against radical nationalism in Ukraine conducted by the party in Simferopol the day before where they burned swastikas and flags of some nationalist parties.
Leader: Vasyl Volha
9. Volodymyr Saldo Block
Can't find any info on them.
10. Our Ukraine
- Centre right (National liberalism, Economic liberalism, Liberal conservatism, Conservatism, Pro-Europeanism)
Leader: Viktor Yushchenko
11. ??????????
Can't find any info on the alleged "11th" |
You forgot to add that all the news sources have been brought under Government control.
No independent news sources for the people of Ukraine.
It is quite alarming after the lies of Brexit and COVID that the posters on here are still believing the MSM on Ukraine without question.
Much of which has been debunked on line. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 12:52 - Mar 22 with 850 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 01:30 - Mar 22 by DJack |
They put out the recording of a telephone call to the FSB in which it was revealed on of their 1-Star generals was killed.
I dont doubt that they have other avenues of SIGINT but the fact still remains that the Russki's effed any chance of using their own secure comms. |
Armed forces Secure comms that rely on 3g/4g towers.
I wonder what they use up in the mountains or in jungles and at sea where there is no g coverage of any kind? | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 16:55 - Mar 22 with 815 views | Boundy |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 12:52 - Mar 22 by A_Fans_Dad |
Armed forces Secure comms that rely on 3g/4g towers.
I wonder what they use up in the mountains or in jungles and at sea where there is no g coverage of any kind? |
They use R-187P1 Azart and R-168-5UN-2 tactical radios high frequency (VHF)/ultra high frequency (UHF) bands but not all units are supplied and like most encrypted systems these can be hacked and have been , hence the Ukrainans ability to kick Ivans arse , repeatedly | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 17:46 - Mar 22 with 800 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 00:53 - Mar 22 by Ajack_Kerouac |
On Sunday Zelensky banned 11 opposition parties.
1) 'Opposition Platform - For Life '
- Pro Russian, anti-EU
Leader: Viktor Medvedchuk
44 seats out of 450.
2) 'Opposition Bloc'
- a pro-Russian political party in Ukraine that was founded in 2014 by the merger of six parties that did not endorse Euromaidan. Legally, the party was created by renaming the lesser-known party "Leading Force". The party was perceived as the successor of the disbanded Party of Regions
Leaders: Borys Kolesnikov (one wing), Yuriy Boyko (another wing) & Vadym Novynskyi (Fraction in Verkhovna Rada)
Zelensky had already banned this party from holding any seats, but now they are banned from all activities (They represent 10% of the electorate).
3) Party of Shariy
- Its official proclaimed ideology is libertarianism
Leader: Anatoly Shariy
2.25% of the vote
4) Derzhava (Ukrainian party)
- formed a coalition with the Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine after the Orange Revolution. Its former name was "Rus United"
Leader: Hennadiy Vasilyev
Tiny amount of votes
5) Nashi
- Centre politics, pro-Russian stance
Leader: Yevheniy Murayev
3.23% of the vote
6) Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine
- is a pro-Russian National Bolshevik political party in Ukraine . The party favoures Ukraine's full-scale entry in the Eurasian Economic Community (including its Customs Union); the protection of the non-aligned status of Ukraine; abolition of NATO exercises in Ukraine; giving the Russian language status as official language along with Ukrainian; annulment of former President Viktor Yushchenko's decrees on awarding the title of Hero of Ukraine.
The party has close ties with the Eurasian Youth Union and its leader Aleksandr Dugin. The party espouses conservative positions and has often been accused of racism and antisemitism
Leader: Nataliya Vitrenko.
Already banned, also banned from any activities now.
7. Socialist Party of Ukraine
- The Socialist Party of Ukraine is a social democratic political party in Ukraine. It is one of the oldest parties and was created by the former members of the Soviet-era Communist Party of Ukraine in late 1991 when the Communist Party was banned.
Leader: Serhiy Kaplin
Used to be 4th largest party, now it is tiny.
8. Union of Leftists
- The party was founded on 8 December 2007 and its goals were empower local communities, provide state support for poor regions, stop the privatization of strategic state enterprises and the sale of agricultural land, make Ukraine geopolitically neutral and make Russian the second state language.
In November 2008, the party headquarters were the target of arson. According to the party, this was connected to an action against radical nationalism in Ukraine conducted by the party in Simferopol the day before where they burned swastikas and flags of some nationalist parties.
Leader: Vasyl Volha
9. Volodymyr Saldo Block
Can't find any info on them.
10. Our Ukraine
- Centre right (National liberalism, Economic liberalism, Liberal conservatism, Conservatism, Pro-Europeanism)
Leader: Viktor Yushchenko
11. ??????????
Can't find any info on the alleged "11th" |
Spot on. I was slated for daring to suggest that the Ukraine is not all it seems. Yes, they don't deserve what's happened, but to put the Ukraine on a pedestal and suggest it's some paragon of democracy and freedom is simply incorrect.It's one of the most corrupt countries. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 18:07 - Mar 22 with 791 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 16:55 - Mar 22 by Boundy |
They use R-187P1 Azart and R-168-5UN-2 tactical radios high frequency (VHF)/ultra high frequency (UHF) bands but not all units are supplied and like most encrypted systems these can be hacked and have been , hence the Ukrainans ability to kick Ivans arse , repeatedly |
What a joke, you don't need to crack their encryption to give them a kicking.
They are in Ukraine where they are under continual observational surveillence.
Any ground vehicle's course and speed is dependant on terrain, I am just shocked it took the Ukrainians so long to destroy the Russian armour that they have.
As I pointed out a long time ago the 40 mile long vehicle column was a sitting duck.
The Taliban would have taken most of them out way before this. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 18:17 - Mar 22 with 788 views | Boundy |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 17:46 - Mar 22 by controversial_jack |
Spot on. I was slated for daring to suggest that the Ukraine is not all it seems. Yes, they don't deserve what's happened, but to put the Ukraine on a pedestal and suggest it's some paragon of democracy and freedom is simply incorrect.It's one of the most corrupt countries. |
I thought you were out ? No one on this thread has any one claimed that Ukraine as you put it a " paragon of democracy and freedom" and even so no country is beyond reproach including Russia and your post hasno bearing on the current situation so why mention it .
Strange that before and after his over whelming election victory Zelensky had and has fully supported anti-corruption reforms , with reformers in government, civil groups, and international partners also created Ukraine’s first national public database of politically exposed persons, their relatives, and close associates. As of December 2021, the PEP database had grown to 48,000 individuals and more than 30,000 affiliated legal entities. “Ukrainian and international financial institutions, as well as law enforcement agencies, are using this information for due diligence measures and to investigate suspicious transactions,” No matter how you try to per portion blame on the Ukrainians with you under hand comments there will always be a counter response | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 18:28 - Mar 22 with 784 views | Scotia |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 17:46 - Mar 22 by controversial_jack |
Spot on. I was slated for daring to suggest that the Ukraine is not all it seems. Yes, they don't deserve what's happened, but to put the Ukraine on a pedestal and suggest it's some paragon of democracy and freedom is simply incorrect.It's one of the most corrupt countries. |
You were slated for almost condoning what the Russians are doing in Ukraine because you claim the west have done worse elsewhere, and secondly that everyone was getting carried away with what was happening there. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 18:42 - Mar 22 with 781 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 18:17 - Mar 22 by Boundy |
I thought you were out ? No one on this thread has any one claimed that Ukraine as you put it a " paragon of democracy and freedom" and even so no country is beyond reproach including Russia and your post hasno bearing on the current situation so why mention it .
Strange that before and after his over whelming election victory Zelensky had and has fully supported anti-corruption reforms , with reformers in government, civil groups, and international partners also created Ukraine’s first national public database of politically exposed persons, their relatives, and close associates. As of December 2021, the PEP database had grown to 48,000 individuals and more than 30,000 affiliated legal entities. “Ukrainian and international financial institutions, as well as law enforcement agencies, are using this information for due diligence measures and to investigate suspicious transactions,” No matter how you try to per portion blame on the Ukrainians with you under hand comments there will always be a counter response |
While Ex Ministers wives leave the country with Millions in their suitcases.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/ex-ukraine-mp-s-wife-caught-with-28-mi
Plus the Ukraine government now admits to having Military weapons in the Mall that the Russians attacked.
You cannot believe the media, until they own up to the truth. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 22:04 - Mar 22 with 742 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 18:28 - Mar 22 by Scotia |
You were slated for almost condoning what the Russians are doing in Ukraine because you claim the west have done worse elsewhere, and secondly that everyone was getting carried away with what was happening there. |
That's not what i said or meant. Yes, we have done far worse. I wasn't condoning it at all, as I said they didn't deserve it. Many are getting carried away with the idea that the Ukraine is utopia, and I stated that it was extremely corrupt.
You couldn't have read it or maybe took it the wrong way | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 23:14 - Mar 22 with 723 views | majorraglan |
Ukraine has issues with corruption, nobody is saying it hasn’t but the current president is trying to do something about it, according to a number of different online sources Russia and the “Stans” are more corrupt than Ukraine.
I suspect all these oligarchs are up to their eyes in, one article I recently read suggested VP and his honchos top sliced 50% off all Russian business. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 00:23 - Mar 23 with 711 views | DJack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 12:52 - Mar 22 by A_Fans_Dad |
Armed forces Secure comms that rely on 3g/4g towers.
I wonder what they use up in the mountains or in jungles and at sea where there is no g coverage of any kind? |
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/03/22/ukraine-russia-military-radio/ | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 04:56 - Mar 23 with 695 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 23:14 - Mar 22 by majorraglan |
Ukraine has issues with corruption, nobody is saying it hasn’t but the current president is trying to do something about it, according to a number of different online sources Russia and the “Stans” are more corrupt than Ukraine.
I suspect all these oligarchs are up to their eyes in, one article I recently read suggested VP and his honchos top sliced 50% off all Russian business. |
I think AFD’s point about the armour the Ukrainian army are trying to protect with human shields and the misinformation coming out around that should make people so quick to denounce Russian information. Two sides to every story and war is by its very nature a dirty business.
I’ve been reading up on the shelling of Donbas that’s gone back over years not since February. Putin had resisted invading Ukraine for over 20 years (if that was his hearts desire as some would have us believe) - why just do it now - out of the blue? |  |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 08:56 - Mar 23 with 661 views | Boundy |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 04:56 - Mar 23 by Brynmill_Jack |
I think AFD’s point about the armour the Ukrainian army are trying to protect with human shields and the misinformation coming out around that should make people so quick to denounce Russian information. Two sides to every story and war is by its very nature a dirty business.
I’ve been reading up on the shelling of Donbas that’s gone back over years not since February. Putin had resisted invading Ukraine for over 20 years (if that was his hearts desire as some would have us believe) - why just do it now - out of the blue? |
When was war declared ? | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 10:42 - Mar 23 with 639 views | Lorax |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 12:44 - Mar 22 by A_Fans_Dad |
You forgot to add that all the news sources have been brought under Government control.
No independent news sources for the people of Ukraine.
It is quite alarming after the lies of Brexit and COVID that the posters on here are still believing the MSM on Ukraine without question.
Much of which has been debunked on line. |
Yes, because what is posted online is so very reliable!
Social media and websites run by unknown people are obviously the best place to get important news.
Will you never learn.
PS, haven't you realised how much the Russian state controls their news output? | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 12:18 - Mar 23 with 617 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 10:42 - Mar 23 by Lorax |
Yes, because what is posted online is so very reliable!
Social media and websites run by unknown people are obviously the best place to get important news.
Will you never learn.
PS, haven't you realised how much the Russian state controls their news output? |
What does Russia's news ouptut have to do with photographic and video verification by people on line?
Do you know the truth of the Heroic Ukraine Firemen photograph?
Have you seen the photos & videos of the Ukrainian Rocket launchers parked under the Mall prior to it being bombed.
Have you watched the videos of refugees claiming the Ukraine Army stopped them leaving and not the Russians.
How do you know what to believe? | | | |
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