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Russia invade Ukraine 14:17 - Dec 23 with 152637 viewsFlynnidine_Zidownes

Discuss.

Also why is Putin always described in the media as this rugged strongman? He’s barely five foot tall with his high heels on.

But that’s another debate.

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Russia invade Ukraine on 10:38 - Mar 31 with 1455 viewsFlynnidine_Zidownes

Russia invade Ukraine on 10:24 - Mar 31 by felixstowe_jack

Strange how both those countries prosecuted German War criminals at the Nurembugh trials after WW2. They also jointly guarded convicted German War criminals at the Spandau Prison in West Berlin .

The Americans recognise War Crines and crimes against humanity in its Military courts so it is INCORRECT to say the US does not recognise War crimes.

I think you are confusing the fact that the US has not signed up to the International Criminals Court set up by the statute of Rome.

Russia has not signed up to the ICC.

Both Russia and USA have signed the Geneva convention.


It’s tiring having to correct these fools every five minutes isn’t it?

It’s terrifying that people actually think this way.
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Russia invade Ukraine on 10:39 - Mar 31 with 1455 viewscontroversial_jack

Russia invade Ukraine on 10:20 - Mar 31 by Flynnidine_Zidownes

They have signed up the the UN and Geneva Conventions though so they must recognise war crimes.

They must recognise war crimes because they’ve been accusing each other of them for years.


They haven't signed up to the International courts. They take others to court but can't be taken themselves

They recognize war crimes commited by other countries but not theirs

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/reasons-why-the-us-is-not-part-of-the-icc
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Russia invade Ukraine on 10:42 - Mar 31 with 1446 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Russia invade Ukraine on 10:39 - Mar 31 by controversial_jack

They haven't signed up to the International courts. They take others to court but can't be taken themselves

They recognize war crimes commited by other countries but not theirs

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/reasons-why-the-us-is-not-part-of-the-icc


So why are you pro Russian and supporting the Russian invasion on an independent country?

Do you think targeting and killing civilians is also a good idea?

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Russia invade Ukraine on 10:51 - Mar 31 with 1439 viewsScotia

Russia invade Ukraine on 10:39 - Mar 31 by controversial_jack

They haven't signed up to the International courts. They take others to court but can't be taken themselves

They recognize war crimes commited by other countries but not theirs

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/reasons-why-the-us-is-not-part-of-the-icc


I thought you were :-

"Trying to look at it in an unbiased way and trying to determine facts from propaganda"

So why do you post a link to more unverified, anti war propoaganda from a website hosting nothing more than students opinions?:-

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/06/thousands-of-college-kids-are-behind-odyssey-cli

Do you recognise that other countries beside the USA may commit war crimes and just because the USA may have committed war crimes does not make it ok for others to do so too?
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Russia invade Ukraine on 11:51 - Mar 31 with 1423 viewscontroversial_jack

Russia invade Ukraine on 10:51 - Mar 31 by Scotia

I thought you were :-

"Trying to look at it in an unbiased way and trying to determine facts from propaganda"

So why do you post a link to more unverified, anti war propoaganda from a website hosting nothing more than students opinions?:-

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/06/thousands-of-college-kids-are-behind-odyssey-cli

Do you recognise that other countries beside the USA may commit war crimes and just because the USA may have committed war crimes does not make it ok for others to do so too?


Here, this is from Al Jazeerah

https://www.aljazeera.com/program/inside-story/2020/6/12/why-is-the-us-targeting
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Russia invade Ukraine on 15:03 - Mar 31 with 1392 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Putin cutting of oil and gas supplies from any countries not paying for them in Roubles. It comes into effect from tomorrow.

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Russia invade Ukraine on 16:38 - Mar 31 with 1375 viewscontroversial_jack

Russia invade Ukraine on 15:03 - Mar 31 by felixstowe_jack

Putin cutting of oil and gas supplies from any countries not paying for them in Roubles. It comes into effect from tomorrow.


He's made no secret that he want's to circumvent the petro dollar. America is terrified of losing the petro dollar as it's a huge source of income to them
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Russia invade Ukraine on 17:41 - Mar 31 with 1354 viewsBoundy

Russia invade Ukraine on 16:38 - Mar 31 by controversial_jack

He's made no secret that he want's to circumvent the petro dollar. America is terrified of losing the petro dollar as it's a huge source of income to them


Putin's more scared of losing valuable income to pay for his illegal incursion , dollars and euros are less useful to Moscow while sanctions are strangling his economy . Russia also wants /needs to pay the interest on its euro-denominated debts with roubles, another calamity for Ivan .

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Russia invade Ukraine on 17:51 - Mar 31 with 1337 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Russia invade Ukraine on 07:27 - Mar 31 by felixstowe_jack

Why on earth cannot Ukraine place weapons in the cities that the Russians are attacking.
It is quite perverse to blame the Ukrainians for defending their country from invading Russians forces. The only only people to blame for deliberately targeting and killing civilians are the Russians.


Did you read the article?
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The Ukrainian military has “a responsibility under international law” to remove their forces and equipment from civilian-populated areas, and if that is not possible, to move civilians out of those areas, Weir said.

“If they don’t do that, that is a violation of the laws of war,” he added. “Because what they are doing is they are putting civilians at risk. Because all that military equipment are legitimate targets.”
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Russia invade Ukraine on 17:58 - Mar 31 with 1331 viewsA_Fans_Dad

All of you posters talking about war crimes read that Washington Post article, it has quotes and opinions from experts in such matters.

It also has quotes from Volodymyr Zelensky that "humanitarian Laws" do not apply to this war?
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Russia invade Ukraine on 19:02 - Mar 31 with 1307 viewsBoundy

Russia invade Ukraine on 17:51 - Mar 31 by A_Fans_Dad

Did you read the article?
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The Ukrainian military has “a responsibility under international law” to remove their forces and equipment from civilian-populated areas, and if that is not possible, to move civilians out of those areas, Weir said.

“If they don’t do that, that is a violation of the laws of war,” he added. “Because what they are doing is they are putting civilians at risk. Because all that military equipment are legitimate targets.”


You must have missed the part where safe corridors were agreed but strangely enough shortly after the Russians forgot their existence

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Russia invade Ukraine on 19:10 - Mar 31 with 1299 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Russia invade Ukraine on 17:51 - Mar 31 by A_Fans_Dad

Did you read the article?
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The Ukrainian military has “a responsibility under international law” to remove their forces and equipment from civilian-populated areas, and if that is not possible, to move civilians out of those areas, Weir said.

“If they don’t do that, that is a violation of the laws of war,” he added. “Because what they are doing is they are putting civilians at risk. Because all that military equipment are legitimate targets.”


If the Russians had not invaded Ukraine there would be no need to kill civilians deliberately.

You really have missed the point.

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Russia invade Ukraine on 19:43 - Mar 31 with 1266 viewsA_Fans_Dad

Russia invade Ukraine on 19:02 - Mar 31 by Boundy

You must have missed the part where safe corridors were agreed but strangely enough shortly after the Russians forgot their existence


Who say's I forgot it and how do you know it was the Russians also forgot it.
Ukranians escaping from Mariupol say it was the Ukranian forces, the Azov brigade in particular.
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Russia invade Ukraine on 20:46 - Mar 31 with 1252 viewsAjack_Kerouac

Americans are being urged to leave Ukraine and Russia by the US State Department.

"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"

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Russia invade Ukraine on 20:50 - Mar 31 with 1261 viewsBoundy

Russia invade Ukraine on 19:43 - Mar 31 by A_Fans_Dad

Who say's I forgot it and how do you know it was the Russians also forgot it.
Ukranians escaping from Mariupol say it was the Ukranian forces, the Azov brigade in particular.


Then why not mention it , you seem focused purely on the Ukrainians who may I remind you didn't invade Russia .

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Russia invade Ukraine on 22:06 - Mar 31 with 1236 viewsScotia

Russia invade Ukraine on 17:51 - Mar 31 by A_Fans_Dad

Did you read the article?
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The Ukrainian military has “a responsibility under international law” to remove their forces and equipment from civilian-populated areas, and if that is not possible, to move civilians out of those areas, Weir said.

“If they don’t do that, that is a violation of the laws of war,” he added. “Because what they are doing is they are putting civilians at risk. Because all that military equipment are legitimate targets.”


I've read the article, it then goes on to state :-

"Even if Ukraine violates its responsibilities under international law, “that doesn’t mean Russia gets a pass to do whatever it wants,” Weir said. If civilians are killed near a military position or equipment, Russia still can be held responsible for a possible war crime if its attack was indiscriminate and disproportionate against the civilian population."

You've either taken the quote out of context, skim read the entire article or are deliberately trying to misreprent it. Meanwhile innocent civilians are dying in their hundreds. That's nice of you.
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Russia invade Ukraine on 02:56 - Apr 1 with 1207 viewsDJack

Russia invade Ukraine on 17:17 - Mar 30 by A_Fans_Dad

Where do you think the Ukrainian Army and in particular the Azov Brigade set up their defences and as the Russians advanced where did they move to?
Have you watched the video of supposed Ukranian Mariupol escapees saying that it was Azov that destroyed a hospital and the Theatre with all the people under it?
How do you know what to believe?


"Refugee’ propaganda video slandering Ukrainian soldiers in Mariupol and 'thanking Russia' was produced by the FSB

n 23 March, RIA Novosti, and other state-controlled Russian media broadcast a video in which somebody identified as a young Ukrainian from Mariupol, Lyubov Ustinova repeated the Kremlin’s narrative about the Ukrainian Azov soldiers defending Mariupol. The Russian independent MediaZona has now discovered that three videos with Ustinova were produced by Russia’s Security Service, or FSB, with the media instructed not to divulge this extremely relevant detail. It seems likely that the same methods have been used to produce other propaganda, with this one of the purposes for Russia’s forcible ‘evacuation’ of Mariupol residents to Russia or occupied Donbas and Crimea, while blocking all roads leading to Ukrainian cities not under Russian occupation. "


https://khpg.org/en/1608810325



(original) Russian independent MediaZona translated article link below...

https://zona.media/translate/2022/03/30/pressafsb_eng

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Russia invade Ukraine on 09:54 - Apr 1 with 1175 viewsLorax

Russia invade Ukraine on 17:51 - Mar 31 by A_Fans_Dad

Did you read the article?
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The Ukrainian military has “a responsibility under international law” to remove their forces and equipment from civilian-populated areas, and if that is not possible, to move civilians out of those areas, Weir said.

“If they don’t do that, that is a violation of the laws of war,” he added. “Because what they are doing is they are putting civilians at risk. Because all that military equipment are legitimate targets.”


Ukraine cannot fulfil that responsibility when Russia has blocked routes out of towns and cities and has even bombarded civilian convoys attempting to leave besieged areas.

It is Russia putting civilians at risk, not Ukraine. You'll denounce the link because it's the BBC but,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60938429

Ukraine is trying to evacuate but Russia keeps blocking those efforts. Then there's the kidnappings,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60894142

Look at this,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60949791

And yet people are seemingly defending Russia, making excuses for Putin or going as far as to deny the stories are true, calling them MSM propaganda.

People are bizarre. If these stories were only from one source, a discredited source, then maybe they'd have a point but these stories are coming thick and fast from multiple sources. These sources though, they don't meet the standards some on here demand. They come from mainstream media and not from "www.tinfoilhatwearer.com" run by some delusional people from their home made nuclear bunker in deepest Madasahatteristan.
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Russia invade Ukraine on 16:45 - Apr 1 with 1126 viewsBoundy

It appears Russia can't defend its own borders with a reported air strike air on a fuel depot in Belgorod .I suppose Putin & co will use it as a a excuse to intensify it's so far feeble efforts to over come the Ukrainian military ,

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Russia invade Ukraine on 18:33 - Apr 1 with 1075 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Ho dear Russia claims the Russian fuel dump that has gone up in flames only supplies covilians. Not as if Russia has not targeted civilian fuel dumps in Ukraine.

Funny how Russia who have claimed to destroyed the Ukrainian air force and has now mastery of the sky now claims it was the Ukrainians whot done it.

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Russia invade Ukraine on 23:09 - Apr 1 with 1038 viewsLorax

Russia invade Ukraine on 18:33 - Apr 1 by felixstowe_jack

Ho dear Russia claims the Russian fuel dump that has gone up in flames only supplies covilians. Not as if Russia has not targeted civilian fuel dumps in Ukraine.

Funny how Russia who have claimed to destroyed the Ukrainian air force and has now mastery of the sky now claims it was the Ukrainians whot done it.


I read that Russia says this attack damages "trust" well what the blooming heck do they think sending over 100k troops into another country, bombarding towns and cities, murdering civilians and blocking aid does?

Putin doesn't like it because those nasty Ukrainians are fighting back and making Russia look silly!
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Russia invade Ukraine on 09:12 - Apr 3 with 960 viewsfelixstowe_jack

More and more evidence of Russian war crimes as their army retreats from Kyev in total disarray.

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Russia invade Ukraine on 09:52 - Apr 3 with 939 viewsProfessor

Russia invade Ukraine on 09:12 - Apr 3 by felixstowe_jack

More and more evidence of Russian war crimes as their army retreats from Kyev in total disarray.


The evidence from Bucha seems damning both in the tactical failure but also in execution of civilians and use of children as human shields. I await the Putin apologists.
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Russia invade Ukraine on 12:58 - Apr 3 with 903 viewsFlynnidine_Zidownes

There’s a video going round of Russian soldiers gang raping a 15 year old girl.

This horror needs to end.
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Russia invade Ukraine on 22:23 - Apr 3 with 837 viewsBoundy

Russia invade Ukraine on 09:52 - Apr 3 by Professor

The evidence from Bucha seems damning both in the tactical failure but also in execution of civilians and use of children as human shields. I await the Putin apologists.


Sorry if this offends but more offensive is that some on here a try to defend Russia actions by deflection and whataboutery


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