| Russia invade Ukraine 14:17 - Dec 23 with 153185 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
Discuss.
Also why is Putin always described in the media as this rugged strongman? He’s barely five foot tall with his high heels on.
But that’s another debate.
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 12:42 - Apr 9 with 1135 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 11:58 - Apr 9 by Scotia |
One thing is certain in war and that is nothing we're being told is completely accurate, but I genuinely believe the crux of it is accurate. That is what the evidence points to.
The Ukrainians aren't doing this to themselves. |
Like they haven't been doing it to themselves for the last 8 years.
Do you think that the attrocities over that period suddenly stopped because the Russians invaded?
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/19/europe/donbas-ukraine-russia-intl-cmd/index.h
Note that 14,000 dead. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 17:43 - Apr 9 with 1078 views | felixstowe_jack |
Good to see Boris in Kyev today proving himself a World leader.
The Ukrainians said he was the World leader in defensive support, World leader in the anti war alliance and World leader on imposing sanctions on Russia. | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 18:53 - Apr 9 with 1044 views | DJack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 17:43 - Apr 9 by felixstowe_jack |
Good to see Boris in Kyev today proving himself a World leader.
The Ukrainians said he was the World leader in defensive support, World leader in the anti war alliance and World leader on imposing sanctions on Russia. |
Boris is most certainly NOT a world leader but he has done very well during this crisis. |  |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 20:34 - Apr 9 with 1027 views | controversial_jack |
it was interesting to see a missile, allegedly from Russia, with writing on it, placed nicely on the grass, fully intact, not even a scorch mark or crater , just in time for the EU presidents visit, for her to say, hat she was already working on getting the Ukraine into the EU, #something she has no mandate or right to do | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 21:44 - Apr 9 with 1002 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 17:43 - Apr 9 by felixstowe_jack |
Good to see Boris in Kyev today proving himself a World leader.
The Ukrainians said he was the World leader in defensive support, World leader in the anti war alliance and World leader on imposing sanctions on Russia. |
I've just trawled through about a dozen different UK news sites. The variation in reporting is scary. If anyone tells you that we are told the facts in the UK.......the answer is we get several versions of a story. |  |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 02:13 - Apr 10 with 986 views | DJack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 20:34 - Apr 9 by controversial_jack |
it was interesting to see a missile, allegedly from Russia, with writing on it, placed nicely on the grass, fully intact, not even a scorch mark or crater , just in time for the EU presidents visit, for her to say, hat she was already working on getting the Ukraine into the EU, #something she has no mandate or right to do |
Prior to this event there have been many events where they have shown almost exactly the same. Please discuss these prior events and then come to the latter. | |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 07:56 - Apr 10 with 968 views | Professor |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 21:44 - Apr 9 by JACKMANANDBOY |
I've just trawled through about a dozen different UK news sites. The variation in reporting is scary. If anyone tells you that we are told the facts in the UK.......the answer is we get several versions of a story. |
Though of course, under Putin it would be one. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 17:16 - Apr 10 with 918 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 20:34 - Apr 9 by controversial_jack |
it was interesting to see a missile, allegedly from Russia, with writing on it, placed nicely on the grass, fully intact, not even a scorch mark or crater , just in time for the EU presidents visit, for her to say, hat she was already working on getting the Ukraine into the EU, #something she has no mandate or right to do |
It certainly did not look intact just failed to explode unlike the other missiles that killed 50 women and children at the same station. | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 18:20 - Apr 10 with 903 views | Scotia |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 20:34 - Apr 9 by controversial_jack |
it was interesting to see a missile, allegedly from Russia, with writing on it, placed nicely on the grass, fully intact, not even a scorch mark or crater , just in time for the EU presidents visit, for her to say, hat she was already working on getting the Ukraine into the EU, #something she has no mandate or right to do |
Those nasty right wing Ukrainians should have taken it away really shouldn't they?
Fancy leaving evidence of your country being illegally invaded and civilians targeted by that lovely Russian judo expert hanging around. What were they thinking? | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 19:20 - Apr 10 with 888 views | Boundy |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 17:16 - Apr 10 by felixstowe_jack |
It certainly did not look intact just failed to explode unlike the other missiles that killed 50 women and children at the same station. |
Considering that US intelligence believe over 60% of Russian missiles and the amount shown semi intact after launch then its should be no surprise that the one shown at the railway station could be another dud. I'm a waiting CJ often written response " that wouldn't happen in a modern army" | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 20:59 - Apr 10 with 874 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 19:20 - Apr 10 by Boundy |
Considering that US intelligence believe over 60% of Russian missiles and the amount shown semi intact after launch then its should be no surprise that the one shown at the railway station could be another dud. I'm a waiting CJ often written response " that wouldn't happen in a modern army" |
So you believe that a rocket travelling at 500-600mph from about 75 miles away looks like this after it hits the ground, even if the warhead does not explode?
They have also suggested that it used a multiple munition warhead which are discharged above ground, but the body is still travelling at terminal velocity. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 21:05 - Apr 10 with 872 views | Scotia |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 20:59 - Apr 10 by A_Fans_Dad |
So you believe that a rocket travelling at 500-600mph from about 75 miles away looks like this after it hits the ground, even if the warhead does not explode?
They have also suggested that it used a multiple munition warhead which are discharged above ground, but the body is still travelling at terminal velocity. |
Do you believe that if that missile was planted as a fake they'd have forgotten to make it look as if it had travelled 75 miles and crashed at 600 mph? | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 21:13 - Apr 10 with 869 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 18:53 - Apr 9 by DJack |
Boris is most certainly NOT a world leader but he has done very well during this crisis. |
The UKs failure to accept refugees from Ukraine shames us all.
The EU has shown us the way. |  |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 21:33 - Apr 10 with 858 views | majorraglan |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 21:13 - Apr 10 by Kilkennyjack |
The UKs failure to accept refugees from Ukraine shames us all.
The EU has shown us the way. |
Our response to the refugee dictation has been very poor, but I don’t think anyone should be surprised. When you look at the last few years, the Brexit prep has been poor, aspects of Covid have been shambolic, the response to Afghanistan was shambolic as evidence to the committee/ enquiry has shown and now this. I suspect years of cuts and poor governance (or even incompetence) have taken its toll. Some of the stuff I’ve heard on the radio this last week about health and safety etc is mental, yes we have to ensure people are being sent to safe accommodation but we need a common sense approach. We need to speed things up, but we have to ensure “due diligence” is completed. We want to help genuine refugees not Putin plants for future subversive activities.
The EU have done some sterling work in relation to refugees, however some of their responses in relation to sanctions and military support are much more limited than what we’ve done.
Stop making this UK v EU, we could all do more and we could do it better. [Post edited 10 Apr 2022 22:32]
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 22:12 - Apr 10 with 847 views | Boundy |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 20:59 - Apr 10 by A_Fans_Dad |
So you believe that a rocket travelling at 500-600mph from about 75 miles away looks like this after it hits the ground, even if the warhead does not explode?
They have also suggested that it used a multiple munition warhead which are discharged above ground, but the body is still travelling at terminal velocity. |
What missile is it ? | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 22:33 - Apr 10 with 832 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 21:05 - Apr 10 by Scotia |
Do you believe that if that missile was planted as a fake they'd have forgotten to make it look as if it had travelled 75 miles and crashed at 600 mph? |
Well after the fiasco of the 4 burnt out cars next to the unbroken windows I would say Yes.
Do you think it looks like it hit the ground at 100s of mile per hour? | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 07:09 - Apr 11 with 798 views | Scotia |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 22:33 - Apr 10 by A_Fans_Dad |
Well after the fiasco of the 4 burnt out cars next to the unbroken windows I would say Yes.
Do you think it looks like it hit the ground at 100s of mile per hour? |
The same applies to the cars and building windows. Do you seriously think that someone would be stupid enough to make such a simple mistake in an apparent global conspiracy?
Whoever is responsible must think the entire population of the world is stupid, but they obviously didn't account for the Investigative genius that can be found on football forums.
If it is one of those missiles from the link then it's quite possible it crashed. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 07:45 - Apr 11 with 790 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 21:13 - Apr 10 by Kilkennyjack |
The UKs failure to accept refugees from Ukraine shames us all.
The EU has shown us the way. |
Utter rubbish the UK has taken in refugees.
We are all proud of the UK response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The EU as usual has been much slower imposing sanctions, and suppling weapons which should shame the EU. Then again I guess the Germans cannot afford to upset the Russians to much. | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 10:48 - Apr 11 with 773 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 21:33 - Apr 10 by majorraglan |
Our response to the refugee dictation has been very poor, but I don’t think anyone should be surprised. When you look at the last few years, the Brexit prep has been poor, aspects of Covid have been shambolic, the response to Afghanistan was shambolic as evidence to the committee/ enquiry has shown and now this. I suspect years of cuts and poor governance (or even incompetence) have taken its toll. Some of the stuff I’ve heard on the radio this last week about health and safety etc is mental, yes we have to ensure people are being sent to safe accommodation but we need a common sense approach. We need to speed things up, but we have to ensure “due diligence” is completed. We want to help genuine refugees not Putin plants for future subversive activities.
The EU have done some sterling work in relation to refugees, however some of their responses in relation to sanctions and military support are much more limited than what we’ve done.
Stop making this UK v EU, we could all do more and we could do it better. [Post edited 10 Apr 2022 22:32]
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Patel said on BBC news that we are slow taking in refugees because we are no longer in the EU | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 10:57 - Apr 11 with 768 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 07:09 - Apr 11 by Scotia |
The same applies to the cars and building windows. Do you seriously think that someone would be stupid enough to make such a simple mistake in an apparent global conspiracy?
Whoever is responsible must think the entire population of the world is stupid, but they obviously didn't account for the Investigative genius that can be found on football forums.
If it is one of those missiles from the link then it's quite possible it crashed. |
Propoganda is everywhere, all sides and countries do it, but it's hardly ever sophisticated and just has to appeal to the masses. Most just want top accept what is given and don't question.So, yes, it's very possible it was planted there
Even if it failed, Russia has the most sophisticated missiles of all, it would have made a mess of the ground. I always thought missiles landed point first like bullets and shells do, but technology must have changed so they land flat like aircraft | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 10:59 - Apr 11 with 768 views | Lorax |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 21:13 - Apr 10 by Kilkennyjack |
The UKs failure to accept refugees from Ukraine shames us all.
The EU has shown us the way. |
Did you hear Zelenskyy's speech when Bojo was out there. He praised Bojo and said he wished other Western countries had done as much.
Take your blinkers off. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 11:02 - Apr 11 with 765 views | Lorax |
NO, they haven't been doing it to themselves, what you highlight there is Russian separatists backed by Moscow attempting a violent coup. Those atrocities obviously didn't stop as the Russian army has been perpetrating more and more.
Those 14000 dead are a result of Russian separatists starting fighting in Donbass and Luhansk. | | | |
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