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Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 22:09 - Jan 25 by Ajack_Kerouac
Are you saying that the virus doesn't spread indoors in a room full of hundreds of people dancing as long as the Gods of the Welsh Assembly make a rule that says all is well?
Drakeford doesn't believe he is at risk of the virus does he son, be honest with yourself. He has been taking the piss out of you and all of us.
You can stick your fake moral piety where the sun doesn't shine.
Of course it spreads inside, I’ve never said it doesn’t.
You started off by saying how can we call for Boris resignation but not for Drakeford’s - there’s a huge difference in that Boris has been at events (indoors and out doors ) in breach of the Covid regulations, Drakeford hasn’t, the incident you refer to was not in breach of the Welsh Covid regulations.
Fortunately I am not your son. Talking about where the son doesn’t shine why don’t you take your head out of it.
Night.
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Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 22:38 - Jan 25 with 1125 views
Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 16:09 - Jan 25 by YouBackJastard
“Why is it that the Democrat party in America, the EU elites and the Left in Britain seem to be aligned with multi-nationals, wall street, London, Frankfurt, the big tech billionaires of California, the corporate media and the rich and famous in the entertainment industry?”
The Democrat party is a right-leaning party. The left in the UK have been buried by Murdoch’s media empire. The last US President was a rich and famous person in the entertainment industry. Hope this helped.
Your oversimplification of the history and rise of state capitalism in China is hilariously incorrect and brutally false. This paragraph is especially hilarious - “The CCP are now making their push at toppling USA from it's perch and becoming the dominant World power. If they succeed we will all be governed by corrupt Socialists, and we will all get poorer.”
So if China rose up through the greatness of capitalism how on earth are they all also a bunch of degenerate socialists at the same time? Are they the prime example of capitalism or socialism?
You are a facebook indoctrinated soul and I wish you well in returning to a sound state of mind, ready to handle real politics (and not modern day McCarthyism where everything scary in the world is a communist conspiracy!)
That reply is laughable, just laughable, full of lies...
1) "The Democrat party is a right-leaning party." Horse shit. Please walk us through the current administration's policies and explain how they are 'right-wing'. You don't get to just make assertions and claim them as truth, you need to back up what you say with evidence. If you can't do that simple thing, you really need to pipe down.
2) "The left in the UK have been buried by Murdoch’s media empire." Rubbish. We have a diverse media. The Left has been buried in the UK (of late...how do you explain the Blair years if Murdoch has a grip of the Brtish people) because most people do not want the claptrap the Left spouts. Most people have too much common sense. In the US the Left has virtually all the media, apart from Fox and some outliers...yet Fox News kicks all of their arses. Why? Same reason. The people have too much common sense to swallow all that bull....this is why the US Left is now at war with it's own people, they can't win legitimately.
3)"The last US President was a rich and famous person in the entertainment industry. Hope this helped." Do you think you just said something clever?
4) Your crap regarding China betrays your misunderstanding. China has got richer because they have allowed Western Capitalists to use their people...it helps them and their objectives, as without that China would have gone the same way as the Soviet Union and every other state that has implemented Socialism for decades. However, they are using their ill-gotten gains to build a massive military and to corrupt our leaders in the West. If they become no.1 World power (...and at this point most observers believe this to be an inevitability), then the most powerful people in the World will be the unhinged Socialists of the Chinese Communist Party. Western Capitalism will be the junior partner and then the Communists will subvert the West in order to further the aims of International Communism...arguably this is what is happening right in front of our eyes with the Biden Presidency. Biden's family have taken $31 million from the Chinese, he is the leader of America's Left party, and all of his policy seems to be designed to weaken America.
This is what Obama and all at the top of the Democrat party wanted...a multi-polar World, an end to American hegemony. Do try and read what these people have to say in their own words before making comment on whether I am right or not.
5) "You are a facebook indoctrinated soul and I wish you well in returning to a sound state of mind, ready to handle real politics (and not modern day McCarthyism where everything scary in the world is a communist conspiracy!)"
You are an intellectual pygmy with your head stuck up your arse.
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 22:44 - Jan 25 with 1111 views
Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 22:28 - Jan 25 by majorraglan
Of course it spreads inside, I’ve never said it doesn’t.
You started off by saying how can we call for Boris resignation but not for Drakeford’s - there’s a huge difference in that Boris has been at events (indoors and out doors ) in breach of the Covid regulations, Drakeford hasn’t, the incident you refer to was not in breach of the Welsh Covid regulations.
Fortunately I am not your son. Talking about where the son doesn’t shine why don’t you take your head out of it.
Night.
There is no difference.
We can't get in a cinema without wearing face masks and producing test results or signing up to disgusting Covid passport crap. Yet the bloke who imposed all that on us is dancing indoors with hundreds of sweaty people...because he doesn't believe he is at risk now that he is vaccinated.
Which is true. I know it, he knows it, you know it, and everybody pretending to be outraged by Boris knows it. It is fake.
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 23:00 - Jan 25 with 1104 views
Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 22:44 - Jan 25 by Ajack_Kerouac
There is no difference.
We can't get in a cinema without wearing face masks and producing test results or signing up to disgusting Covid passport crap. Yet the bloke who imposed all that on us is dancing indoors with hundreds of sweaty people...because he doesn't believe he is at risk now that he is vaccinated.
Which is true. I know it, he knows it, you know it, and everybody pretending to be outraged by Boris knows it. It is fake.
But was he breaking any rules at the time was the question?
I don’t believe he’s was.
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Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 23:22 - Jan 25 with 1072 views
Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 23:00 - Jan 25 by Gwyn737
But was he breaking any rules at the time was the question?
I don’t believe he’s was.
Because somebody was serving food in the corner, are you for real?
If I got elected and made a rule that said; 'everyone needs to stay indoors and mask up and waste their precious life...UNLESS, they are at a political fundraiser for my party. That's not against the rules and the virus will leave you alone at such events' ...would you obey that rule? ...would you condemn anyone who disobeys that rule? Even though that rule made no sense whatsoever?
Do you know what, I'm starting to think that most people would. I must have missed the meeting where all adult males got their balls chopped off. It is very easy to see how so many ordinary Germans took part in such evil in the 30s and the 40s.
Can you not admit that the man who is responsible for locking down us Welsh for longer and harder, the man who is dancing in a sweaty party full of people indoors, is outrageous and hypocritical? Are you going to hide behind; 'the rules say it's fine so it's fine'? ...because if you are (and I'm aiming this at all who take that position, I don't know how Gwyn will react) then when Boris gets off because; 'he didn't break any rules, technically' ...then you don't get to be outraged.
Check mate.
[Post edited 25 Jan 2022 23:24]
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 23:25 - Jan 25 with 1075 views
My 60th last January and I couldn't go anywhere or have a party, cause I obeyed the Rules, yet the absolute clowns who made the rules were having dam good old jolly ups, contemptuous arseholes.
Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 23:22 - Jan 25 by Ajack_Kerouac
Because somebody was serving food in the corner, are you for real?
If I got elected and made a rule that said; 'everyone needs to stay indoors and mask up and waste their precious life...UNLESS, they are at a political fundraiser for my party. That's not against the rules and the virus will leave you alone at such events' ...would you obey that rule? ...would you condemn anyone who disobeys that rule? Even though that rule made no sense whatsoever?
Do you know what, I'm starting to think that most people would. I must have missed the meeting where all adult males got their balls chopped off. It is very easy to see how so many ordinary Germans took part in such evil in the 30s and the 40s.
Can you not admit that the man who is responsible for locking down us Welsh for longer and harder, the man who is dancing in a sweaty party full of people indoors, is outrageous and hypocritical? Are you going to hide behind; 'the rules say it's fine so it's fine'? ...because if you are (and I'm aiming this at all who take that position, I don't know how Gwyn will react) then when Boris gets off because; 'he didn't break any rules, technically' ...then you don't get to be outraged.
Check mate.
[Post edited 25 Jan 2022 23:24]
He would be hypocritical if he broke the rules. But he didn’t, did he.
You may think his actions were wrong but it doesn’t seem have breached any regs in place at the time.
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Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 23:33 - Jan 25 with 1049 views
Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 23:32 - Jan 25 by Gwyn737
He would be hypocritical if he broke the rules. But he didn’t, did he.
You may think his actions were wrong but it doesn’t seem have breached any regs in place at the time.
...and you'll say the same for Boris when he gets off for not 'technically breaking the rules' won't you?
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 23:43 - Jan 25 by Gwyn737
I think he did.
If he gets off then I’ll have to rethink.
I still won’t think the two cases are comparable though.
Those are weasel words Gwyn.
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 23:57 - Jan 25 with 1041 views
Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 23:44 - Jan 25 by Ajack_Kerouac
Those are weasel words Gwyn.
They’re honest.
I’m not quite sure about what standard you think Drakeford should be held to. Should he have stuck to top level precautions all the way through even when the restrictions changed?
I know that I followed the rules. When masks were introduced in pubs I wore one. When they were taken away I didn’t. When they were reintroduced I wore one again. I don’t see that makes me a hypocrite.
It very much looks to me that the current government played fast and loose at least with the rules. The various enquiries will confirm whether any legal breeches were made and I’ll accept the outcomes.
Not a very weasel like response from my perspective.
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Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 00:07 - Jan 26 with 1031 views
Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 23:57 - Jan 25 by Gwyn737
They’re honest.
I’m not quite sure about what standard you think Drakeford should be held to. Should he have stuck to top level precautions all the way through even when the restrictions changed?
I know that I followed the rules. When masks were introduced in pubs I wore one. When they were taken away I didn’t. When they were reintroduced I wore one again. I don’t see that makes me a hypocrite.
It very much looks to me that the current government played fast and loose at least with the rules. The various enquiries will confirm whether any legal breeches were made and I’ll accept the outcomes.
Not a very weasel like response from my perspective.
I expect you, and the Left in general, to hold Drakeford to the same standards that you hold Boris. That is sane, rational and just.
Saying that, the truth is I have come to not expect it. I am completely used to the Left refusing to hold themselves and people they support to the same standards that they want to hold their enemies. It is a fundamentally tyrannical ideology. That much is clear.
You and others on this thread have admitted that you find Drakeford's actions to be ok because he wasn't technically breaking the rules. You also want to have it that if Boris is found to be not breaking the rules that you will dismiss your previous worship of 'the rules'.
I'm afraid you can't have it, no longer. You are incoherent, inconsistent, irrational. A bent referee.
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 04:41 - Jan 26 with 991 views
Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 22:38 - Jan 25 by Ajack_Kerouac
That reply is laughable, just laughable, full of lies...
1) "The Democrat party is a right-leaning party." Horse shit. Please walk us through the current administration's policies and explain how they are 'right-wing'. You don't get to just make assertions and claim them as truth, you need to back up what you say with evidence. If you can't do that simple thing, you really need to pipe down.
2) "The left in the UK have been buried by Murdoch’s media empire." Rubbish. We have a diverse media. The Left has been buried in the UK (of late...how do you explain the Blair years if Murdoch has a grip of the Brtish people) because most people do not want the claptrap the Left spouts. Most people have too much common sense. In the US the Left has virtually all the media, apart from Fox and some outliers...yet Fox News kicks all of their arses. Why? Same reason. The people have too much common sense to swallow all that bull....this is why the US Left is now at war with it's own people, they can't win legitimately.
3)"The last US President was a rich and famous person in the entertainment industry. Hope this helped." Do you think you just said something clever?
4) Your crap regarding China betrays your misunderstanding. China has got richer because they have allowed Western Capitalists to use their people...it helps them and their objectives, as without that China would have gone the same way as the Soviet Union and every other state that has implemented Socialism for decades. However, they are using their ill-gotten gains to build a massive military and to corrupt our leaders in the West. If they become no.1 World power (...and at this point most observers believe this to be an inevitability), then the most powerful people in the World will be the unhinged Socialists of the Chinese Communist Party. Western Capitalism will be the junior partner and then the Communists will subvert the West in order to further the aims of International Communism...arguably this is what is happening right in front of our eyes with the Biden Presidency. Biden's family have taken $31 million from the Chinese, he is the leader of America's Left party, and all of his policy seems to be designed to weaken America.
This is what Obama and all at the top of the Democrat party wanted...a multi-polar World, an end to American hegemony. Do try and read what these people have to say in their own words before making comment on whether I am right or not.
5) "You are a facebook indoctrinated soul and I wish you well in returning to a sound state of mind, ready to handle real politics (and not modern day McCarthyism where everything scary in the world is a communist conspiracy!)"
You are an intellectual pygmy with your head stuck up your arse.
Burden of proof is on you to research Joe Biden’s policies. They are nothing but centre-right leaning economics with socially liberal policies.
How do I explain the Blair years? Murdoch fully backed Blair you clown!! They were best mates and that’s the only reason Blair ever got near power, Murdoch’s control of the media in this country is extreme and is blatantly obvious to anyone paying attention. Every single candidate he’s backed in the last thirty or fourty so years has been given the prime minister job, go figure. (Blair famously being Tory-Lite during his reign, too)
No, I’m deconstructing your stupid asinine points you regurgitate straight from the bowels of far right-wing facebook bubbles.
Biden and Obama are both communists!! Everyone to the left of me is a communist! your brain is a marvel in stupidity.
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Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 07:03 - Jan 26 with 970 views
Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 00:07 - Jan 26 by Ajack_Kerouac
I expect you, and the Left in general, to hold Drakeford to the same standards that you hold Boris. That is sane, rational and just.
Saying that, the truth is I have come to not expect it. I am completely used to the Left refusing to hold themselves and people they support to the same standards that they want to hold their enemies. It is a fundamentally tyrannical ideology. That much is clear.
You and others on this thread have admitted that you find Drakeford's actions to be ok because he wasn't technically breaking the rules. You also want to have it that if Boris is found to be not breaking the rules that you will dismiss your previous worship of 'the rules'.
I'm afraid you can't have it, no longer. You are incoherent, inconsistent, irrational. A bent referee.
I’m allowing the legal process to take its course.
That is all.
You are making sweeping generalisations about me after a couple of comments on mask wearing. That’s identity politics of the highest order.
[Post edited 26 Jan 2022 7:36]
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Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 07:11 - Jan 26 with 967 views
Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 07:03 - Jan 26 by Gwyn737
I’m allowing the legal process to take its course.
That is all.
You are making sweeping generalisations about me after a couple of comments on mask wearing. That’s identity politics of the highest order.
[Post edited 26 Jan 2022 7:36]
Everyone on this forum is free to post. Most people like to present their opinions with reasonable fair minded arguments. There are a few who only think the opinions are correct sadly.
Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 23:22 - Jan 25 by Ajack_Kerouac
Because somebody was serving food in the corner, are you for real?
If I got elected and made a rule that said; 'everyone needs to stay indoors and mask up and waste their precious life...UNLESS, they are at a political fundraiser for my party. That's not against the rules and the virus will leave you alone at such events' ...would you obey that rule? ...would you condemn anyone who disobeys that rule? Even though that rule made no sense whatsoever?
Do you know what, I'm starting to think that most people would. I must have missed the meeting where all adult males got their balls chopped off. It is very easy to see how so many ordinary Germans took part in such evil in the 30s and the 40s.
Can you not admit that the man who is responsible for locking down us Welsh for longer and harder, the man who is dancing in a sweaty party full of people indoors, is outrageous and hypocritical? Are you going to hide behind; 'the rules say it's fine so it's fine'? ...because if you are (and I'm aiming this at all who take that position, I don't know how Gwyn will react) then when Boris gets off because; 'he didn't break any rules, technically' ...then you don't get to be outraged.
Check mate.
[Post edited 25 Jan 2022 23:24]
How do you know they were serving good in a corner or that it was a sweaty party, I’ve seen the images of him dancing but the images in the linked article paint a different picture, but the bottom line is legally, Drakeford has done nothing wrong.
Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 07:03 - Jan 26 by Gwyn737
I’m allowing the legal process to take its course.
That is all.
You are making sweeping generalisations about me after a couple of comments on mask wearing. That’s identity politics of the highest order.
[Post edited 26 Jan 2022 7:36]
You are saying that Drakeford locking us down and then partying is fine because it didn't break the rules...but if Boris is found to be not breaking the rules you will move the goalposts.
You can't deny it, you have laid it all out above. It's not complicated.
I don't care if that makes you feel bad, your cognitive dissonance is not my responsibility.
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 09:40 - Jan 26 with 913 views
Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 07:20 - Jan 26 by majorraglan
How do you know they were serving good in a corner or that it was a sweaty party, I’ve seen the images of him dancing but the images in the linked article paint a different picture, but the bottom line is legally, Drakeford has done nothing wrong.
...and when the investigation concludes that Boris, legally, did nothing wrong you will admit you were wrong and give Boris the same free pass you are giving Drakeford?
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 09:46 - Jan 26 with 911 views
Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 04:41 - Jan 26 by YouBackJastard
Burden of proof is on you to research Joe Biden’s policies. They are nothing but centre-right leaning economics with socially liberal policies.
How do I explain the Blair years? Murdoch fully backed Blair you clown!! They were best mates and that’s the only reason Blair ever got near power, Murdoch’s control of the media in this country is extreme and is blatantly obvious to anyone paying attention. Every single candidate he’s backed in the last thirty or fourty so years has been given the prime minister job, go figure. (Blair famously being Tory-Lite during his reign, too)
No, I’m deconstructing your stupid asinine points you regurgitate straight from the bowels of far right-wing facebook bubbles.
Biden and Obama are both communists!! Everyone to the left of me is a communist! your brain is a marvel in stupidity.
What an imbecile.
You cannot explain how the Democrat party's policies are right wing because that is not true and it will expose your lie.
Kid yourself if you like, but rational people can see straight through you.
Re: Burden of proof You made the ridiculous assertion that the Left-wing party in America (who have been trying to force through controversial Left-wing policies for a year now) is in fact right-wing. The burden of proof is on the person who is claiming black is white, you.
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 09:48 - Jan 26 with 911 views
Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 09:38 - Jan 26 by Ajack_Kerouac
You are saying that Drakeford locking us down and then partying is fine because it didn't break the rules...but if Boris is found to be not breaking the rules you will move the goalposts.
You can't deny it, you have laid it all out above. It's not complicated.
I don't care if that makes you feel bad, your cognitive dissonance is not my responsibility.
No cognitive dissonance. I’m completely comfortable with my stance. Drakeford making certain rules doesn’t prevent him from dancing when allowed too.
I at peace with that. I don’t even need to name call or type in shouty, bold text.
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Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 09:52 - Jan 26 with 910 views
Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 09:48 - Jan 26 by Gwyn737
No cognitive dissonance. I’m completely comfortable with my stance. Drakeford making certain rules doesn’t prevent him from dancing when allowed too.
I at peace with that. I don’t even need to name call or type in shouty, bold text.
Yeah, it's just that you stated that Boris making certain rules does prevent him from NOT breaking the rules.
Distract all you want but that is a corrupt way of thinking.
I am destroying your argument with logic, it has nothing to do with the format of the text.
[Post edited 26 Jan 2022 10:26]
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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Johnson birthday party in 2020 on 10:22 - Jan 26 with 874 views
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