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What we saw for BLM where we saw a criminal being mistreated by Police and Cute Greta crying for climate activism. Middle class teaches glueing themselves to roads etc
We are seeing a big European democratic nation invaded and seeing potential slaughter
Yet, no British Pippas and Tarquiins on the streets ,no precious footballers shouting it from the rooftops FIFA refusing to ban Russia from ALL football permanently .
Cry for Ukraine
Maybe it’s because they are a “ white” nation and seen as right wing .
Jon is missing the point.its understandable with Winston .good innocent people being blown asunder. Floyd was as he was.A criminal . Those kids in Uke are not.big difference but wouldn't expect the likes of Winstome to grasp that . Where are the mass demos.
The Russians should be on the streets en mass.
Their country will be shattered after this .Alone,apart from China
Where s the mass demos then on 12:55 - Feb 28 by onehunglow
Jon is missing the point.its understandable with Winston .good innocent people being blown asunder. Floyd was as he was.A criminal . Those kids in Uke are not.big difference but wouldn't expect the likes of Winstome to grasp that . Where are the mass demos.
The Russians should be on the streets en mass.
Their country will be shattered after this .Alone,apart from China
Yep, Russia is fecked after this, the problem is that he is now in such a desperate situation that it has massively increased the odds of him going nuclear and directly attacking us, lashing out as he has nothing left to lose.
There are very little demos because it is a police state ruled by an authoritarian, force fed propaganda.
We need somebody in the Russian elite to make a move to displace Putin but most of them will most likely calculate that it would be a high risk move to gain what? To be the bloke who has to mop up, who has to tell the Russian people that they now have NATO surrounding them? Who rules over a ruined economy?
The situation is terrible, and it could have been avoided.
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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Where s the mass demos then on 13:26 - Feb 28 with 1197 views
Where s the mass demos then on 14:11 - Feb 28 by onehunglow
Not as odd as you would think. Jon.
Middle class teaching most certainly is .
Unless I read it wrong, which may well be the case, you said about clapping over the murder in custody by the hands of the police. Like I said I hope I’m wrong.
Not sure what class has to do with it, I was brought up in a very working class family.
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Where s the mass demos then on 22:28 - Feb 28 with 1008 views
Where s the mass demos then on 13:20 - Feb 28 by Ajack_Kerouac
Yep, Russia is fecked after this, the problem is that he is now in such a desperate situation that it has massively increased the odds of him going nuclear and directly attacking us, lashing out as he has nothing left to lose.
There are very little demos because it is a police state ruled by an authoritarian, force fed propaganda.
We need somebody in the Russian elite to make a move to displace Putin but most of them will most likely calculate that it would be a high risk move to gain what? To be the bloke who has to mop up, who has to tell the Russian people that they now have NATO surrounding them? Who rules over a ruined economy?
The situation is terrible, and it could have been avoided.
I think you’ve raised some good points here, Putin (and by default Russia) are in a difficult position, Putin could well become more desperate and “lash” out. His actions have managed to unite almost all of Western Europe and the industrialised “West” against him. China is watching and continuing to trade, but they’ll be watching with keen interest and not want to alienate the States and EU who are their largest trading partners.
Russia now faces some pretty significant economic challenges and ordinary people are likely to find life very difficult. If we’re going to see diplomacy prevail, I think a negotiated settlement which involves a degree of compromise all around while allowing the various parties to save face is probably the best solution although it may not be the “right” solution.
Putin controls the Russian media - the people only hear what he ( the State) wants them to know, so when economic hardship hits it wouldn’t be difficult for him to blame the West and to fan the fires of hate and resentment. There needs to be an avoidance of any similarities with post WW1 Germany.
Putin needs to be able to show success as does Zelensky. A compromise could involve the Eastern Ukraine states with the large ethnic Russian population becoming autonomous, Nordstream 2 being approved and the sanctions being removed (Europe will need to eliminate its dependance on Russian gas.) Ukraine get a complete withdrawal of Russian forces, the areas lost during this incursion are returned, reparations from Russia for the damage caused and Ukraine get guarantees with regards to future sovereignty and the freedom to choose their own destiny.
I think the Russian elite will resolve Putin’s position. The successor will have a big job, but there is no reason why the “West” and Putin’s successor can’t have a better relationship and work together to rebuild the country, but the endemic corruption will have to be sorted out.
Where s the mass demos then on 08:16 - Mar 1 by onehunglow
The world has now woken up.It's comforting to behold. It took a while but we have done it.
Yeah,mother Russia is a Police State but there are enough people to topple it if they want it.
They cannot kill 1 million people on the streets or have people vanish from the face of the earth so easily. Times are different now ,thankfully.
Russia faces utter meltdown although Putin will and has protected himself. He might commit suicide when faced with inevitability. I truly hope so.
FIFA has also been shamed into taking action that they should have in the first place.
Kicking out of the World Cup is good.Now the expulsion from Olympics permanently should follow and Belarus too should face this..
Putin cant contemplate a world without Russia .
"Putin cant contemplate a world without Russia."
This is why, if Russia is not given a way out of this, he might start firing the nukes at those who have economically destroyed Russia.
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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Where s the mass demos then on 09:17 - Mar 1 with 924 views
Independent chat shows that I've seen that have tried to have a balance all say the West missed a trick after the collapse of the Soviet Union that we should have had them in the fold but they choose to still vilify them instead.
Continually being banned by Planet Swans for Porthcawl and then being reinstated.
Where s the mass demos then on 08:24 - Mar 1 by Ajack_Kerouac
"Putin cant contemplate a world without Russia."
This is why, if Russia is not given a way out of this, he might start firing the nukes at those who have economically destroyed Russia.
It’s what worries me. Whilst our lefty British chums are looking at ways to blame anyone but Putin for this ,a truly evil dictator has the means to destroy the world if the world doesn’t want Russia.
The world has never needed Russia .
Corbin is mentioned because he takes Russia s side ,as they do any side we are opposing. This ain’t nasty USA doing nor Tory scum. This is left evil. Full Stop.
Putin can’t be defended apart from North Korea and China
Where s the mass demos then on 09:17 - Mar 1 by trampie
Independent chat shows that I've seen that have tried to have a balance all say the West missed a trick after the collapse of the Soviet Union that we should have had them in the fold but they choose to still vilify them instead.
Comrade , Russia chose the path they wished to take , a more open freer society was promised not by the west but by their own and to some extent it did become one. The Russian Federation had multiple economic reforms, including privatisation and market and trade liberalisation because of collapse of communism, but Putin has slowly taken a grip on how its governed to the point we see today back to the "good old days" where any dissent is stamped upon and free speech tolerated to a point albeit a very small one . All the wests' fault of course
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
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Where s the mass demos then on 19:47 - Mar 1 with 837 views
Where s the mass demos then on 10:03 - Mar 1 by onehunglow
It’s what worries me. Whilst our lefty British chums are looking at ways to blame anyone but Putin for this ,a truly evil dictator has the means to destroy the world if the world doesn’t want Russia.
The world has never needed Russia .
Corbin is mentioned because he takes Russia s side ,as they do any side we are opposing. This ain’t nasty USA doing nor Tory scum. This is left evil. Full Stop.
Putin can’t be defended apart from North Korea and China
Where s the mass demos then on 19:05 - Mar 1 by onehunglow
Its heart affirming stuff now Massive vigil in Liverpool now.
It shows we all care and nowt is better than that
The protests, I've seen so far do rather seem to have a more grown-up vibe about them as opposed to rioting, violence and destruction seen with other 'causes'.
Far left and Far right rabble numbers missing I guess. More your average Mam's and Dad's n' Gran and Grandad types who have far more dignity and self respect?
Argus!
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Where s the mass demos then on 20:18 - Mar 1 with 812 views
Where s the mass demos then on 19:51 - Mar 1 by Wingstandwood
The protests, I've seen so far do rather seem to have a more grown-up vibe about them as opposed to rioting, violence and destruction seen with other 'causes'.
Far left and Far right rabble numbers missing I guess. More your average Mam's and Dad's n' Gran and Grandad types who have far more dignity and self respect?
Its genuine pain and upset Wing
Im off again tomorrow to Liverpool with more family and neighbour essentials
Ebo.John.Your not worth arguing with. You are what you are.
USSR ----COMMUNIST----STATE CONTROL---PUTIN SENIOR KGB OFFICER.ergo,LEFT WING.
Where s the mass demos then on 09:02 - Mar 2 by Sirjohnalot
Not sure if the John is me or not but if it is, no problem. I certainly am what I am, and are proud of it. Have a lovely day and enjoy Liverpool
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Its Ebo. He hates me. Im quite relieved frankluy as I would not want to be associated with his political views.
We may disagree and I mistrust your profession but it aint personal and you should know that by now. I will attack our club stewardship,players,coach and the stadium catering but not fellow fans unless they wish to start a net ruck.I never back down no matter how unpleasant it gets as the truth needs to come out.
The truth is somewhat esoteric and not always evident.
Ebo ,like many others show communist tendencies. State control,media control,mind control. Putin was a senior KGB man ,the likes of which oversaw the horrors of the Stasi . Next time in Berlin,have a look at the Museum there. It's very illuminating a to how huge Russia influenced the East.
Putin wants back the countries that broke away from mother Russia. He won't stop at Ukraine either.
Stop the War...Where are they ? It's a fair question and one few lefties can answer.
Where s the mass demos then on 09:25 - Mar 2 by onehunglow
Its Ebo. He hates me. Im quite relieved frankluy as I would not want to be associated with his political views.
We may disagree and I mistrust your profession but it aint personal and you should know that by now. I will attack our club stewardship,players,coach and the stadium catering but not fellow fans unless they wish to start a net ruck.I never back down no matter how unpleasant it gets as the truth needs to come out.
The truth is somewhat esoteric and not always evident.
Ebo ,like many others show communist tendencies. State control,media control,mind control. Putin was a senior KGB man ,the likes of which oversaw the horrors of the Stasi . Next time in Berlin,have a look at the Museum there. It's very illuminating a to how huge Russia influenced the East.
Putin wants back the countries that broke away from mother Russia. He won't stop at Ukraine either.
Stop the War...Where are they ? It's a fair question and one few lefties can answer.
Shows how much you know me Rich, I am neither a communist or a far left radical. However, given your past history with other PS members and your own shady past, I know exactly what you are and it is not pretty.
Where s the mass demos then on 00:22 - Mar 3 by Ebo
Shows how much you know me Rich, I am neither a communist or a far left radical. However, given your past history with other PS members and your own shady past, I know exactly what you are and it is not pretty.
Yes he is a nasty piece of work with history.
Continually being banned by Planet Swans for Porthcawl and then being reinstated.
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