| Swansea City players on the move in their own time 09:45 - Jun 18 with 4264 views | SwansIndependent |
 Swansea City players on the move in their own time 18th Jun 2022 09:43Swansea City have two players which they would most certainly like to see off their books as soon as possible. Of course they are Ryan Bennett and Jay Fulton, the reasons are lost on some so let’s have a look at their true value. Both players are fully aware that manager Russell Martin sees no future for then at Swansea City  0
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| Swansea City players on the move in their own time on 20:41 - Jun 19 with 1362 views | Fireboy2 |
| Swansea City players on the move in their own time on 19:28 - Jun 19 by jasper_T |
Does Swansea City FC Ltd. being able to force players out do anything to prevent zero hours contracts? "It's okay for companies to mistreat people because companies mistreat people far worse" is a pathetic argument. |
Calm down you Jessie. |  | | |
| Swansea City players on the move in their own time on 22:12 - Jun 19 with 1294 views | Chief |
I read somewhere that Bennett, Walsh and a few others haven't been spotted in the training pictures thus far.
So maybe the Baston style banishings have already began? |  |
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| Swansea City players on the move in their own time on 06:52 - Jun 20 with 1157 views | jojaca |
| Swansea City players on the move in their own time on 19:26 - Jun 19 by jasper_T |
Contracts include more than just rate of pay. But that is the topic at hand, isn't it - the club wants to save money by not paying up the full value of the contracts they offered. Please leave because we have buyers' remorse.
Players are wealthy, but so are football clubs. No one should be shedding too many tears over Swansea City FC Ltd. having to pay what they promised to their employees.
Paterson was almost certainly fined and hasn't been given a pay rise or anything since, so I'm not sure what you think he got away with. Poor little football clubs being bullied by greedy players though, yeah? |
Your assuming players are wealthy, nobody knows how they look after their money. Plenty of footballers have gone bankrupt. Unfortunately you have to honor their contracts if they don't want to move, no point in punishing them, might as well have them training with everyone else. |  |
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| Swansea City players on the move in their own time on 07:17 - Jun 20 with 1121 views | Whiterockin |
| Swansea City players on the move in their own time on 06:52 - Jun 20 by jojaca |
Your assuming players are wealthy, nobody knows how they look after their money. Plenty of footballers have gone bankrupt. Unfortunately you have to honor their contracts if they don't want to move, no point in punishing them, might as well have them training with everyone else. |
The players current wealth or lack of it is no concern of the football club regarding this matter, but yes obviously we need to honour the contracts that were agreed whilst they are at the club.
As for the point of pushing them I disagree. We don't know how they are sitting currently with the others players. How would you feel if you were working with someone who was earning far more than you and contributing nothing to the company you worked, I see nothing wrong with removing them from the workplace for the sake of harmony. I understand different rules apply in football to normal work life. But they are not wanted here, they are not keen to move on, a compromise/agreement needs to be agreed by both sides. |  | | |
| Swansea City players on the move in their own time on 07:48 - Jun 20 with 1083 views | STID2017 |
| Swansea City players on the move in their own time on 07:17 - Jun 20 by Whiterockin |
The players current wealth or lack of it is no concern of the football club regarding this matter, but yes obviously we need to honour the contracts that were agreed whilst they are at the club.
As for the point of pushing them I disagree. We don't know how they are sitting currently with the others players. How would you feel if you were working with someone who was earning far more than you and contributing nothing to the company you worked, I see nothing wrong with removing them from the workplace for the sake of harmony. I understand different rules apply in football to normal work life. But they are not wanted here, they are not keen to move on, a compromise/agreement needs to be agreed by both sides. |
I agree.
This happens all the time.
"Gardening leave" I believe it is called ?
As per Cooper until he went to Forest ? |  |
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| Swansea City players on the move in their own time on 10:40 - Jun 20 with 1014 views | vetchonian |
| Swansea City players on the move in their own time on 07:48 - Jun 20 by STID2017 |
I agree.
This happens all the time.
"Gardening leave" I believe it is called ?
As per Cooper until he went to Forest ? |
I think oyou may find the Cooper situation is different...
But lets face it this situation is not of theplayers making it is the clubs.
Everyone is assuming Bennett and Fulton are not playing mainly for footballing reasons ...yet Martin selected Fulton in the latter stages of the season
With Downes and Grimes being rh prime choices for midfield Fulton ws deemed an "expensive luxury", I guess had Downes not been signed or Grimes had left Fulton may well have been in Russ's plans....he was used to cover Downes at Millwall and at home to Derby it is not his fault he was given a nice juicy contract was it ....Why should he take a pay cut and uproot his family just because the club are no longer happy with ht e situation they created when renewing his contract.
Much has been written here regarding Bennets situation and how he hasnt played more than 50 games.....maybe due to contractual arrangements again this is all down to Mr Winter...
Things are so different in football today many years ago unwanted players would be transfer listed...gthis no longer happens in the smae way and clubs are no longer queuing up to sign players with contrsacts to buy out..
Cooper's situation becmae different I still believe he "sued" the club for "constructive dismissal"....resulting form a breakdown in relations surrounding the January transfer window espoeically with the American players scenario followe d by the club putting an "excessive" compo fee on his head when Palace came calling....it was his legal representatives that made the first public annoiuncement about the situation not the club.
Opinions may differ I know but that situation is diffeerent to that of Bennet and Fulton....they are contracted have no desire to leave have received no better offers so why should they go.
For me surely it would be better for the manager to use these resources and the club get value rather than to pay them to sit at home?
Fulton has shown he can do the job for Martin...like I said had eithetr Downes or Grimes not been here fulton may well be figuring but in the current circumstances his "cost" is denying Russ the opportunity to strngthen other areas maybe. | |
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| Swansea City players on the move in their own time on 11:44 - Jun 20 with 963 views | GixerJack |
| Swansea City players on the move in their own time on 06:52 - Jun 20 by jojaca |
Your assuming players are wealthy, nobody knows how they look after their money. Plenty of footballers have gone bankrupt. Unfortunately you have to honor their contracts if they don't want to move, no point in punishing them, might as well have them training with everyone else. |
Why unfortunately?
During last season there were posters on here spouting that Paterson signed the contract so he should just get on with it.
In this case the players and the club agreed the contracts knowingly and in good faith so there’s nothing unfortunate about it |  | | |
| Swansea City players on the move in their own time on 12:02 - Jun 20 with 925 views | Whiterockin |
| Swansea City players on the move in their own time on 11:44 - Jun 20 by GixerJack |
Why unfortunately?
During last season there were posters on here spouting that Paterson signed the contract so he should just get on with it.
In this case the players and the club agreed the contracts knowingly and in good faith so there’s nothing unfortunate about it |
Do you not agree we should try to come to some arrangement to the benefit of both sides. | | | |
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| Swansea City players on the move in their own time on 13:43 - Jun 20 with 851 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Neither Fulton nor Bennett have any benefit in not playing. Bennett has one year and Fulton 2. They simply have to find a squad that needs and wants them. This will be permanently if very keen or on loan if in doubt. In Bennetts case a 12 month loan is the same as a sale depending on terms. (return after injury).
It is not fashionable to criticize the previous manager but the excessive wages of bennet and the length of Fulton's deal were down to him. |  |
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| Swansea City players on the move in their own time on 13:55 - Jun 20 with 844 views | jasper_T |
| Swansea City players on the move in their own time on 20:41 - Jun 19 by Fireboy2 |
Calm down you Jessie. |
Pathetic. | | | |
| Swansea City players on the move in their own time on 14:02 - Jun 20 with 834 views | jasper_T |
| Swansea City players on the move in their own time on 07:48 - Jun 20 by STID2017 |
I agree.
This happens all the time.
"Gardening leave" I believe it is called ?
As per Cooper until he went to Forest ? |
A coach being put on leave is different from an athlete, whose future career will be impacted if they aren't able to train for an extended period. When a club holds someone's registration, training facilities (which includes training with a group) aren't a privilege they can casually withhold if the manager doesn't fancy them and the club wants to force an exit on its own terms. If a player is acting professionally then punishing them is scumbag behaviour. Their lack on on-field contribution is not by their own choice, management has declined to make use of them. | | | |
| Swansea City players on the move in their own time on 14:11 - Jun 20 with 826 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City players on the move in their own time on 13:55 - Jun 20 by jasper_T |
Pathetic. |
I thought surely that word would be deemed inappropriate.
It is sexist,clearly and meant to offend.
This is how hypocrisy catches us all out.
Nobody is immune.
Nobody. | |
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| Swansea City players on the move in their own time on 17:40 - Jun 20 with 757 views | GixerJack |
| Swansea City players on the move in their own time on 12:02 - Jun 20 by Whiterockin |
Do you not agree we should try to come to some arrangement to the benefit of both sides. |
Yes, I do but I’m not seeing where either of these guys are going to benefit from moving to another club on less money, they can sit tight on current earnings and take a pay cut when their contract is up.
A positive outcome might be to loan them out until their contract expires and offer to pay 25% of their wages.
I suppose it depends what our recruitment team want the most, a transfer fee or payroll saving | | | |
| Swansea City players on the move in their own time on 18:25 - Jun 20 with 703 views | jasper_T |
| Swansea City players on the move in their own time on 17:40 - Jun 20 by GixerJack |
Yes, I do but I’m not seeing where either of these guys are going to benefit from moving to another club on less money, they can sit tight on current earnings and take a pay cut when their contract is up.
A positive outcome might be to loan them out until their contract expires and offer to pay 25% of their wages.
I suppose it depends what our recruitment team want the most, a transfer fee or payroll saving |
Fulton may well look at it like his Swans career isn't over. He's been here a long time, he's settled, and every manager before Martin has at least appreciated him for his ethic and quality in training (teammates have always picked him out as one of the best in that regard). Our managers don't tend to last more than two years, he's seen plenty come and go since arriving. | | | |
| Swansea City players on the move in their own time on 18:36 - Jun 20 with 691 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Swansea City players on the move in their own time on 18:25 - Jun 20 by jasper_T |
Fulton may well look at it like his Swans career isn't over. He's been here a long time, he's settled, and every manager before Martin has at least appreciated him for his ethic and quality in training (teammates have always picked him out as one of the best in that regard). Our managers don't tend to last more than two years, he's seen plenty come and go since arriving. |
If he does not play this season the that is two seasons of not playing since his Wembley disaster which effectively ended Cooper ball.
He is a footballer and must want to play. Once he is happy not to play he is finished like Narsingh who never recovered from his one year relaxation and did not come up to scratch in two Dutch clubs.
There are 40 teams in the leagues plus 12 in Scotland who could do with Fulton. He should as a professional go to one of them and let Swansea cover his salary deficit if required. Ideally the loaning club will cover 3/4 of his salary. Its just a matter of being practical and the player looking after his career. Cooper offered him too much money for a player no one else actually wants. Same with Bennett.
If Cooper told Winter he is worth £11k a week how come no one wants him for £7-8k a week. Having been told he will not play for Martin much this season he can look for a some playing action somewhere while being offered close to the £11k a week. Shame to move the family around but that is the nature of football. [Post edited 20 Jun 2022 18:48]
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