| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights 11:42 - Jun 22 with 4740 views | controversial_jack |
Patel's new enabling laws! This country is getting more fascist by the week |  | | |  |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 12:32 - Jun 25 with 844 views | 73__73 |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 08:17 - Jun 25 by Kilkennyjack |
And there was i impressed by his foresight….. 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ðŸ‡ªðŸ‡º |
You’re not the dullest on here, but you are in the top one 😂 | |
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| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 12:34 - Jun 25 with 845 views | Gwyn737 |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 12:18 - Jun 25 by Dr_Parnassus |
Does it?
I’m described as on the right and the Rwanda thing seemed stupid to me. A very sweeping statement there.
I would imagine the majority on the right of center thought it was stupid too.
I don’t share your option regarding a UKIP style party. Most people on the right seem sensible enough, some of the most sensible people there are as far as I’m concerned.
No pandering, no nonsense, no false virtue - facts and discussion.
As soon as someone says “dog whistle” - to me that suggests it’s used because their accusation isn’t actually there, a bit like someone calling someone “passive aggressive” because they won’t rise to their level of anger. [Post edited 25 Jun 2022 12:35]
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I’m talking about the current uk political spectrum.
To get Brexit done, the Tories has to swallow the UKIP share. This has meant that they can’t really allow room to the right and enable a similar style to UKIP party steal a proportion of their vote. Silly policies like Rwanda and the Bill of rights work to this end. | | | |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 12:38 - Jun 25 with 841 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 12:34 - Jun 25 by Gwyn737 |
I’m talking about the current uk political spectrum.
To get Brexit done, the Tories has to swallow the UKIP share. This has meant that they can’t really allow room to the right and enable a similar style to UKIP party steal a proportion of their vote. Silly policies like Rwanda and the Bill of rights work to this end. |
But it would be isolating sensible people on the right of politics, which far outnumber the types of people who are referring to with regards to “UKIP style voters”.
So I’m not sure there is much legs in that.
I’d be voting against policies such as the Rwanda one, as would every other person I know on the right of politics. |  |
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| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 12:45 - Jun 25 with 836 views | Gwyn737 |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 12:38 - Jun 25 by Dr_Parnassus |
But it would be isolating sensible people on the right of politics, which far outnumber the types of people who are referring to with regards to “UKIP style voters”.
So I’m not sure there is much legs in that.
I’d be voting against policies such as the Rwanda one, as would every other person I know on the right of politics. |
It would. And that’s why the tories have to walk this balancing act, throwing out a few daft policies now and then with no chance of success to keep some happy.
As to your last paragraph, if everyone you know on the right wouldn’t vote for the Rwanda policy, and nobody at all in the centre or left would vote for it, then who is?
I’m saying that it’s the former UKIP voters (3 million of them wasn’t it?) who haven’t that style of party to vote for and are more naturally drawn to the Tory party, hence the Rwanda type policies. | | | |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 12:52 - Jun 25 with 803 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 12:45 - Jun 25 by Gwyn737 |
It would. And that’s why the tories have to walk this balancing act, throwing out a few daft policies now and then with no chance of success to keep some happy.
As to your last paragraph, if everyone you know on the right wouldn’t vote for the Rwanda policy, and nobody at all in the centre or left would vote for it, then who is?
I’m saying that it’s the former UKIP voters (3 million of them wasn’t it?) who haven’t that style of party to vote for and are more naturally drawn to the Tory party, hence the Rwanda type policies. |
The Rwanda policy wasn’t voted for.
Not all UKIP voters would vote for it either. Wasn’t there a black UKIP MP on gogglebox from foreign descent (Greek?). Pretty sure he wouldn’t be for it either, although think he has actually passed away now sadly.
Not all UKIP voters are racist or stupid, I’d imagine the vast majority aren’t actually. | |
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| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 12:55 - Jun 25 with 797 views | Gwyn737 |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 12:52 - Jun 25 by Dr_Parnassus |
The Rwanda policy wasn’t voted for.
Not all UKIP voters would vote for it either. Wasn’t there a black UKIP MP on gogglebox from foreign descent (Greek?). Pretty sure he wouldn’t be for it either, although think he has actually passed away now sadly.
Not all UKIP voters are racist or stupid, I’d imagine the vast majority aren’t actually. |
I didn’t say it was voted for, I responded to you saying the right wouldn’t vote for it.
I didn’t say all UKIP voters would vote for it. I’m merely pointing out that the tories can’t afford room to the right and that’s driving some policy decisions.
I have never called anyone on this site stupid or racist as I don’t think that. Please be more careful with your wording. | | | |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 12:55 - Jun 25 with 794 views | Wingstandwood |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 12:38 - Jun 25 by Dr_Parnassus |
But it would be isolating sensible people on the right of politics, which far outnumber the types of people who are referring to with regards to “UKIP style voters”.
So I’m not sure there is much legs in that.
I’d be voting against policies such as the Rwanda one, as would every other person I know on the right of politics. |
Crazy to think how the U.K has turned out? Years ago the only people who would have wanted the abandonment of border control would have been the "smash-the-system" types who listened to 1980's Cr@ss LP's.
Aye, but there again we've also had "defund-the-police" cr@p that is yet more proof of what lives in the mind(s) of the preposterous lunatic fringe! |  |
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| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 13:04 - Jun 25 with 764 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 12:55 - Jun 25 by Gwyn737 |
I didn’t say it was voted for, I responded to you saying the right wouldn’t vote for it.
I didn’t say all UKIP voters would vote for it. I’m merely pointing out that the tories can’t afford room to the right and that’s driving some policy decisions.
I have never called anyone on this site stupid or racist as I don’t think that. Please be more careful with your wording. |
But you asked me who is voting for it.
Nobody, is the answer.
I didn’t say you did call anyone who voted for UKIP racist or stupid, you should probably read what I say because I am indeed incredibly careful with my words. If I haven’t said you have said something then probably best to not assume I have.
A policy to deport people to Rwanda is indeed stupid, and many think it’s racist (SirJon inferred it with regards to Mr Bone). So a policy such as this doesn’t necessarily gain any votes on the right, be that from UKIP supporters or otherwise.
There is more chance they would lose votes than gain them. Hence the point. | |
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| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 13:24 - Jun 25 with 733 views | Flashberryjack |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 22:41 - Jun 24 by Sirjohnalot |
Isn’t it the case that we tend to surround ourselves with those that we agree with ? So I’d normally gravitate towards people with similar outlook to me eg |
Yep, I expect you would. |  |
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| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 13:31 - Jun 25 with 710 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 12:55 - Jun 25 by Wingstandwood |
Crazy to think how the U.K has turned out? Years ago the only people who would have wanted the abandonment of border control would have been the "smash-the-system" types who listened to 1980's Cr@ss LP's.
Aye, but there again we've also had "defund-the-police" cr@p that is yet more proof of what lives in the mind(s) of the preposterous lunatic fringe! |
Yep.
People who I would have considered reasonable and intelligent have been completely taken in by the media in the last decade.
10 years ago I would probably be considered left of centre. My political views have not changed an inch yet I’m now firmly seen as on the right.
That’s how much the ludicrous nature of the left has switched positions. Those remaining on the left of politics will have had to have overcome and justified some pretty radical policies and agendas.
A bit like feminism, most people including myself would have said they were one (or at least sympathetic with their aims) - anyone who calls themselves a feminist these days is usually someone to stay clear of. | |
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| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 14:24 - Jun 25 with 664 views | controversial_jack |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 12:55 - Jun 25 by Wingstandwood |
Crazy to think how the U.K has turned out? Years ago the only people who would have wanted the abandonment of border control would have been the "smash-the-system" types who listened to 1980's Cr@ss LP's.
Aye, but there again we've also had "defund-the-police" cr@p that is yet more proof of what lives in the mind(s) of the preposterous lunatic fringe! |
Fascism creeps in slowly. A bit my bit it creeps in and accepted and before we know it, here it is. | | | |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 14:26 - Jun 25 with 661 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 14:24 - Jun 25 by controversial_jack |
Fascism creeps in slowly. A bit my bit it creeps in and accepted and before we know it, here it is. |
Like Bill C-16? | |
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| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 14:29 - Jun 25 with 662 views | Wingstandwood |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 14:24 - Jun 25 by controversial_jack |
Fascism creeps in slowly. A bit my bit it creeps in and accepted and before we know it, here it is. |
Aye that's it that 'fascism' thing of NOT supporting, wanting or participating in man-child riots in the midst of a pandemic when there wasn't even a vaccine! Common sense the new fascism?
"Smash the system"  | |
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| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 14:32 - Jun 25 with 658 views | controversial_jack |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 14:26 - Jun 25 by Dr_Parnassus |
Like Bill C-16? |
Yes, compelled speech would be a good example. | | | |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 18:16 - Jun 25 with 598 views | trampie |
If England goes fascist Wales needs to get its own bill of rights. |  |
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| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 10:21 - Jun 26 with 552 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 14:32 - Jun 25 by controversial_jack |
Yes, compelled speech would be a good example. |
Which was enforced by the leftist agenda of Justin Trudeau who has continued to turn Canada into a left driven fascist dictatorship.
https://www.mediamatters.org/l | |
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| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 10:37 - Jun 26 with 546 views | controversial_jack |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 10:21 - Jun 26 by Dr_Parnassus |
Which was enforced by the leftist agenda of Justin Trudeau who has continued to turn Canada into a left driven fascist dictatorship.
https://www.mediamatters.org/l |
He's not particularly left wing | | | |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 03:06 - Jun 27 with 508 views | Kilkennyjack |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 18:23 - Jun 22 by Sirjohnalot |
Lawyer can only ask Courts to look at the law. If we leave the ECHR, we lose the Brexit Deal and the Good Friday Agreement. All the ECHR did was to say not to deport people when there is no way of they being brough back till the hearing in an English Court in July.
This Gvnt is attacking anything that can hold it to account. That should be worrying whichever way you vote. |
Exactly Sir John.
Its deliberate and Johnson is dangerous. |  |
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| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 03:20 - Jun 27 with 503 views | Kilkennyjack |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 18:16 - Jun 25 by trampie |
If England goes fascist Wales needs to get its own bill of rights. |
What do you mean ‘if’ ?
We are already way down the road.
The press, the bbc, electoral committee, the courts, the EU, the HoL, the unions, the ECHR, the devolved govts, the Good Friday Agreement - all under attack.
We need Johnson out asap. | |
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| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 03:24 - Jun 27 with 501 views | Kilkennyjack |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 12:32 - Jun 25 by 73__73 |
You’re not the dullest on here, but you are in the top one 😂 |
On the this topic you are of course the site expert, given your own status as the village idiot par excellence.
Thanks for the ‘encouragement’ … 🤣 | |
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| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 06:16 - Jun 27 with 492 views | felixstowe_jack |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 03:20 - Jun 27 by Kilkennyjack |
What do you mean ‘if’ ?
We are already way down the road.
The press, the bbc, electoral committee, the courts, the EU, the HoL, the unions, the ECHR, the devolved govts, the Good Friday Agreement - all under attack.
We need Johnson out asap. |
The UK as you know has led the world on human rights and continues to lead Europe. The most democratic accountable country in Europe. Whereas the EU has still not embraced full democracy, its commissioners are appointed not voted into office, the ECHR is unaccountable and most Countries do not follow its rollings, Germany ony carries out 69% of its rulings, Spain 39%, Russia 10% yet Russia can appoint a judge to it.
You clearly do not know what fascism is we he a fully independent press, TV stations, electoral commission, unions, and a legal system with independent courts at all levels including the Supreme Court.
Why don't you try posting your nonsense in Moscow see how long you last. | |
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| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 08:41 - Jun 27 with 473 views | majorraglan |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 06:16 - Jun 27 by felixstowe_jack |
The UK as you know has led the world on human rights and continues to lead Europe. The most democratic accountable country in Europe. Whereas the EU has still not embraced full democracy, its commissioners are appointed not voted into office, the ECHR is unaccountable and most Countries do not follow its rollings, Germany ony carries out 69% of its rulings, Spain 39%, Russia 10% yet Russia can appoint a judge to it.
You clearly do not know what fascism is we he a fully independent press, TV stations, electoral commission, unions, and a legal system with independent courts at all levels including the Supreme Court.
Why don't you try posting your nonsense in Moscow see how long you last. |
We do have a pretty good record on a lot of good things but Kilkenny is right, lots of our institutions are under pressure from political influence being exerted by our government. | | | |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 09:03 - Jun 27 with 468 views | felixstowe_jack |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 08:41 - Jun 27 by majorraglan |
We do have a pretty good record on a lot of good things but Kilkenny is right, lots of our institutions are under pressure from political influence being exerted by our government. |
I think you will find all sorts of institutions throughout Europe and the EU are under pressure from Governments.
It is called democracy. The voters elect a government to make changes. | |
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