| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights 11:42 - Jun 22 with 4821 views | controversial_jack |
Patel's new enabling laws! This country is getting more fascist by the week |  | | |  |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 20:55 - Jun 22 with 1205 views | Sirjohnalot |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 19:18 - Jun 22 by pencoedjack |
Indeed common sense to prevail
Well down the U.K. government |
ECHR was set up in the aftermath of ww2 to stop Nazi Germany happening again… Aim is to protect human rights and democracy. Essentially drafted by British lawyers and dreamt up by Churchill, Protects right to life, freedom from torture, slavery, fair trial, education, abolition of death penalty etc,
Latest hearing re Rwanda simply said the deportations should stop till July when the Supreme Court decides if it’s legal or not, Thought behind it is if they report and it’s ruled illegal, they won’t be brought back
Unless we leave the convention which i think only Russia and probably Belarus have done, we will be bound.
I cannot over emphasis how worrying even considering suggesting leaving the ECHR or convention. Last year they called British judges ‘enemies of the people, and lefty’. They tried to restrict their power, now they are wonderful.
Any government who restrict protest, and criticise lawyers, courts, judges are to be feared. |  | | |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 21:20 - Jun 22 with 1149 views | controversial_jack |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 20:55 - Jun 22 by Sirjohnalot |
ECHR was set up in the aftermath of ww2 to stop Nazi Germany happening again… Aim is to protect human rights and democracy. Essentially drafted by British lawyers and dreamt up by Churchill, Protects right to life, freedom from torture, slavery, fair trial, education, abolition of death penalty etc,
Latest hearing re Rwanda simply said the deportations should stop till July when the Supreme Court decides if it’s legal or not, Thought behind it is if they report and it’s ruled illegal, they won’t be brought back
Unless we leave the convention which i think only Russia and probably Belarus have done, we will be bound.
I cannot over emphasis how worrying even considering suggesting leaving the ECHR or convention. Last year they called British judges ‘enemies of the people, and lefty’. They tried to restrict their power, now they are wonderful.
Any government who restrict protest, and criticise lawyers, courts, judges are to be feared. |
That will fly over the head of many in here | | | |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 21:21 - Jun 22 with 1149 views | Flashberryjack |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 20:55 - Jun 22 by Sirjohnalot |
ECHR was set up in the aftermath of ww2 to stop Nazi Germany happening again… Aim is to protect human rights and democracy. Essentially drafted by British lawyers and dreamt up by Churchill, Protects right to life, freedom from torture, slavery, fair trial, education, abolition of death penalty etc,
Latest hearing re Rwanda simply said the deportations should stop till July when the Supreme Court decides if it’s legal or not, Thought behind it is if they report and it’s ruled illegal, they won’t be brought back
Unless we leave the convention which i think only Russia and probably Belarus have done, we will be bound.
I cannot over emphasis how worrying even considering suggesting leaving the ECHR or convention. Last year they called British judges ‘enemies of the people, and lefty’. They tried to restrict their power, now they are wonderful.
Any government who restrict protest, and criticise lawyers, courts, judges are to be feared. |
Yes it was set up after WW2, that's why it needs to be binned.
When rapists, violent criminals, drug dealers, paedophile grooming gang members and people that have no right to be here, fail to get deported because a court in a foreign country that was set up over 70 years ago, concludes that it's against their human rights, even though some of the claims are at best frivolous, and at worst down right ridiculous, then it's time to abandon it. |  |
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| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 21:35 - Jun 22 with 1133 views | trampie |
Some people in Wales are already looking to set up their own Human Rights Bill so outraged they are by the Tory stance.
To think Wales was admired in many quarters for the progressive laws of Hywell Dda and that now the Tories are looking to restrict and take rights away from people, if that happens we need to breakaway from England in this area and have our own unique rights for our citizens. [Post edited 22 Jun 2022 21:36]
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| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 21:49 - Jun 22 with 1109 views | Sirjohnalot |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 21:21 - Jun 22 by Flashberryjack |
Yes it was set up after WW2, that's why it needs to be binned.
When rapists, violent criminals, drug dealers, paedophile grooming gang members and people that have no right to be here, fail to get deported because a court in a foreign country that was set up over 70 years ago, concludes that it's against their human rights, even though some of the claims are at best frivolous, and at worst down right ridiculous, then it's time to abandon it. |
That’s not correct, complete myth. It’s extremely, extremely rare for a foreign criminal having received more than 12 months to not be deported.
For examples if they were to face execution on arrival in their country. People of whom you speak would receive very lengthy sentences here anyway and it would be almost certain they’d be deported.
Hillsborough wouldn’t have come to light had it not been for the ECHR. Trust me, this government is trying to stop any scrutiny of them. The ECHR protects us | | | |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 17:50 - Jun 24 with 1013 views | Flashberryjack |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 21:49 - Jun 22 by Sirjohnalot |
That’s not correct, complete myth. It’s extremely, extremely rare for a foreign criminal having received more than 12 months to not be deported.
For examples if they were to face execution on arrival in their country. People of whom you speak would receive very lengthy sentences here anyway and it would be almost certain they’d be deported.
Hillsborough wouldn’t have come to light had it not been for the ECHR. Trust me, this government is trying to stop any scrutiny of them. The ECHR protects us |
A member of the notorious Rochdale grooming gang told a judge he should not be deported because his son needs a role model.
Adil Khan, 51, and Qari Abdul Rauf, 52, have been told they are to be sent back to Pakistan for the public good after both were part of a gang convicted of a catalogue of serious sex offences in May 2012.
Since being released from jail, they have fought a long legal battle against deportation - mounting multiple legal challenges and appeals - spanning several years on the grounds that deportation would interfere with their human rights. | |
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| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 20:08 - Jun 24 with 961 views | Sirjohnalot |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 17:50 - Jun 24 by Flashberryjack |
A member of the notorious Rochdale grooming gang told a judge he should not be deported because his son needs a role model.
Adil Khan, 51, and Qari Abdul Rauf, 52, have been told they are to be sent back to Pakistan for the public good after both were part of a gang convicted of a catalogue of serious sex offences in May 2012.
Since being released from jail, they have fought a long legal battle against deportation - mounting multiple legal challenges and appeals - spanning several years on the grounds that deportation would interfere with their human rights. |
This case isn’t before the echr, it’s in London.
As repugnant this man is he’s still entitled to have his case heard, and have due process. His defence is nonsense and is likely to be deported. | | | |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 20:36 - Jun 24 with 952 views | majorraglan |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 17:50 - Jun 24 by Flashberryjack |
A member of the notorious Rochdale grooming gang told a judge he should not be deported because his son needs a role model.
Adil Khan, 51, and Qari Abdul Rauf, 52, have been told they are to be sent back to Pakistan for the public good after both were part of a gang convicted of a catalogue of serious sex offences in May 2012.
Since being released from jail, they have fought a long legal battle against deportation - mounting multiple legal challenges and appeals - spanning several years on the grounds that deportation would interfere with their human rights. |
There are only a couple of countries who aren’t signed up to it including Russia and Belarus, that’s not a club we should be in.
The articles of the HRA are below, with the exception of number 7 which in my opinion should be a qualified right and subject to compliance with the laws of the land/public good I don’t have any issues with the Act. In terms of deportations etc, from reading articles in the media I think some of the shortfalls can be attributed to poor working practice at the Home Office.
1) Right to life
2) Prohibition of torture
3) Prohibition of slavery and forced labour
4) Right to liberty and security
5) Right to a fair trial
6) No punishment without law
7) Right to respect for private and family life
8) Freedom of thought, conscience and religion
9) Freedom of expression
10) Freedom of assembly and association
11) Right to marry
12) Prohibition of discrimination
The enjoyment of the rights and freedoms set forth in this Convention shall be secured without discrimination on any ground such as sex, race, colour, language, religion, political or other opinions, national or social origin, association with a national minority, property, birth or other status
13) Restrictions on political activity of aliens
14) Prohibition of abuse of rights
Part 2
Protection of property
Right to education
Right to free elections | | | |
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| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 21:21 - Jun 24 with 924 views | Flashberryjack |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 20:08 - Jun 24 by Sirjohnalot |
This case isn’t before the echr, it’s in London.
As repugnant this man is he’s still entitled to have his case heard, and have due process. His defence is nonsense and is likely to be deported. |
Ten years of having his case heard ? and what's the betting he'll die of old age before the piece of filth is deported. | |
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| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 21:33 - Jun 24 with 906 views | Flashberryjack |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 20:36 - Jun 24 by majorraglan |
There are only a couple of countries who aren’t signed up to it including Russia and Belarus, that’s not a club we should be in.
The articles of the HRA are below, with the exception of number 7 which in my opinion should be a qualified right and subject to compliance with the laws of the land/public good I don’t have any issues with the Act. In terms of deportations etc, from reading articles in the media I think some of the shortfalls can be attributed to poor working practice at the Home Office.
1) Right to life
2) Prohibition of torture
3) Prohibition of slavery and forced labour
4) Right to liberty and security
5) Right to a fair trial
6) No punishment without law
7) Right to respect for private and family life
8) Freedom of thought, conscience and religion
9) Freedom of expression
10) Freedom of assembly and association
11) Right to marry
12) Prohibition of discrimination
The enjoyment of the rights and freedoms set forth in this Convention shall be secured without discrimination on any ground such as sex, race, colour, language, religion, political or other opinions, national or social origin, association with a national minority, property, birth or other status
13) Restrictions on political activity of aliens
14) Prohibition of abuse of rights
Part 2
Protection of property
Right to education
Right to free elections |
The ECHR is out dated, far to many criminals/chancers are using it as a legal loophole to avoid deportation.
Either re-write it , leave it all together, or as is being suggested, draw up a modern UK bill of rights that actually protects the citizens of this country rather than the chancers and criminals.
I don't expect you or sir john to agree with it, but I wouldn't mind betting the majority of the British public would. | |
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| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 21:45 - Jun 24 with 899 views | Sirjohnalot |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 21:33 - Jun 24 by Flashberryjack |
The ECHR is out dated, far to many criminals/chancers are using it as a legal loophole to avoid deportation.
Either re-write it , leave it all together, or as is being suggested, draw up a modern UK bill of rights that actually protects the citizens of this country rather than the chancers and criminals.
I don't expect you or sir john to agree with it, but I wouldn't mind betting the majority of the British public would. |
No I don’t, and with respect, you can’t talk for the majority of British people either | | | |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 21:59 - Jun 24 with 885 views | Flashberryjack |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 21:45 - Jun 24 by Sirjohnalot |
No I don’t, and with respect, you can’t talk for the majority of British people either |
With respect, I wasn't talking for the British public (as well you know) I used the word "bet" which in other words is making an educated guess, a guess that I stick with btw.
The rest is also just my opinion, just like you have yours. | |
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| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 22:41 - Jun 24 with 847 views | Sirjohnalot |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 21:59 - Jun 24 by Flashberryjack |
With respect, I wasn't talking for the British public (as well you know) I used the word "bet" which in other words is making an educated guess, a guess that I stick with btw.
The rest is also just my opinion, just like you have yours. |
Isn’t it the case that we tend to surround ourselves with those that we agree with ? So I’d normally gravitate towards people with similar outlook to me eg | | | |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 00:02 - Jun 25 with 809 views | Kilkennyjack |
Churchill says yes we should worry. |  |
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| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 00:12 - Jun 25 with 804 views | majorraglan |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 21:21 - Jun 24 by Flashberryjack |
Ten years of having his case heard ? and what's the betting he'll die of old age before the piece of filth is deported. |
The guy should be deported end of, we don’t want people like this in our country.
There has to be due process and this is where I have my issue with the HRA, Article 7 should be qualified and dependent on one’s presence being conducive to the public good. Wrong ones shouldn’t be able to rely on the right to a family life if they are heinous criminals committing horrendous crimes. - they should be out. The overwhelming majority of honest citizens shouldn’t not be punished because of a few rotten apples.
I’d be really interested in hearing why this case has taken 10 years, how much of the rely is down to the subject and how much is down to the Home Office.
I don’t for 1 minute believe that a government which seems intent on removing any semblances of accountability will provide us with a meaningful bill of rights. [Post edited 25 Jun 2022 0:14]
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| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 00:16 - Jun 25 with 791 views | Lohengrin |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 00:02 - Jun 25 by Kilkennyjack |
Churchill says yes we should worry. |
Churchill never said that, it’s a fanciful invention. |  |
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| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 08:17 - Jun 25 with 744 views | Kilkennyjack |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 00:16 - Jun 25 by Lohengrin |
Churchill never said that, it’s a fanciful invention. |
And there was i impressed by his foresight….. 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ðŸ‡ªðŸ‡º | |
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| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 09:32 - Jun 25 with 729 views | 73__73 |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 21:21 - Jun 22 by Flashberryjack |
Yes it was set up after WW2, that's why it needs to be binned.
When rapists, violent criminals, drug dealers, paedophile grooming gang members and people that have no right to be here, fail to get deported because a court in a foreign country that was set up over 70 years ago, concludes that it's against their human rights, even though some of the claims are at best frivolous, and at worst down right ridiculous, then it's time to abandon it. |
It definitely needs to be binned. It doesn’t help your average person.
Freedom of speech is already dead in this country.
They use different legalisation to stop you and only let you say what they think is acceptable.
Also, where are these human rights solicitors etc when it comes to protecting people who are the victims of cancel culture ? | |
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| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 10:55 - Jun 25 with 702 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 00:02 - Jun 25 by Kilkennyjack |
Churchill says yes we should worry. |
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| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 11:20 - Jun 25 with 687 views | controversial_jack |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 09:32 - Jun 25 by 73__73 |
It definitely needs to be binned. It doesn’t help your average person.
Freedom of speech is already dead in this country.
They use different legalisation to stop you and only let you say what they think is acceptable.
Also, where are these human rights solicitors etc when it comes to protecting people who are the victims of cancel culture ? |
You have just described fascism | | | |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 11:32 - Jun 25 with 678 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 11:20 - Jun 25 by controversial_jack |
You have just described fascism |
Like Bill C-16 and the leftist language policing by force? |  |
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| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 11:39 - Jun 25 with 673 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 09:32 - Jun 25 by 73__73 |
It definitely needs to be binned. It doesn’t help your average person.
Freedom of speech is already dead in this country.
They use different legalisation to stop you and only let you say what they think is acceptable.
Also, where are these human rights solicitors etc when it comes to protecting people who are the victims of cancel culture ? |
They’re all currently working for Johnny Depp. | | | |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 11:49 - Jun 25 with 671 views | BryanSwan |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 21:33 - Jun 24 by Flashberryjack |
The ECHR is out dated, far to many criminals/chancers are using it as a legal loophole to avoid deportation.
Either re-write it , leave it all together, or as is being suggested, draw up a modern UK bill of rights that actually protects the citizens of this country rather than the chancers and criminals.
I don't expect you or sir john to agree with it, but I wouldn't mind betting the majority of the British public would. |
Imagine trusting any of those conmen and charlatans to draw up a new bill of rights to "protect citizens of this country".
I would have no problem with drawing our own bill, but not with the current cabal who will do everything in their power to crush the working class. | |
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| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 11:59 - Jun 25 with 661 views | Gwyn737 |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 11:49 - Jun 25 by BryanSwan |
Imagine trusting any of those conmen and charlatans to draw up a new bill of rights to "protect citizens of this country".
I would have no problem with drawing our own bill, but not with the current cabal who will do everything in their power to crush the working class. |
I wouldn’t worry to much about it - the bill will never get through in its current state.
I doubt the intention is there anyway. It’s like the Rwanda policy, completely pointless but sounds good for the right wing side of the party.
I keep saying it, the Tories can’t afford to lose votes to a UKIP style party. They have to keep those voters happy and these type of dog whistle policies will do just that whilst not achieving anything. | | | |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 12:18 - Jun 25 with 649 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| UK to bring in new Bill of Rights on 11:59 - Jun 25 by Gwyn737 |
I wouldn’t worry to much about it - the bill will never get through in its current state.
I doubt the intention is there anyway. It’s like the Rwanda policy, completely pointless but sounds good for the right wing side of the party.
I keep saying it, the Tories can’t afford to lose votes to a UKIP style party. They have to keep those voters happy and these type of dog whistle policies will do just that whilst not achieving anything. |
Does it?
I’m described as on the right and the Rwanda thing seemed stupid to me. A very sweeping statement there.
I would imagine the majority on the right of center thought it was stupid too.
I don’t share your option regarding a UKIP style party. Most people on the right seem sensible enough, some of the most sensible people there are as far as I’m concerned.
No pandering, no nonsense, no false virtue - facts and discussion.
As soon as someone says “dog whistle” - to me that suggests it’s used because their accusation isn’t actually there, a bit like someone calling someone “passive aggressive” because they won’t rise to their level of anger. [Post edited 25 Jun 2022 12:35]
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