| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate 18:51 - Jul 19 with 1505 views | Catullus |
Ok, in England there has been a recommendation for pay rises between 4-9% for NHS staff apparently. The Senedd is saying they can't afford that, they haven't got the funding.
Where are they getting the funding from to increase their own number by over 50%, where is the money coming from for this speed limit change that not many outside Cardiff bay seem to want?
I won't argue that Westminster will need to increase the Welsh subsidy because there are other public sector pay rises coming but the Senedd always seems to find money for new things seemingly only they want, or at least very few outside the Senedd want.
Inflation is at 9.5% now, it looks like we may be entering a wages/inflation spiral that could cause massive problems, massive even to those we see now. Inflation driving wage rises, in turn wage rises driving inflation. |  |
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| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 19:22 - Jul 19 with 1472 views | gadgetuk |
Apparently any pay rise that is agreed above the 3% budgeted has to be found from existing budgets. Maybe the Welsh assembly don't agree with that approach? | | | |
| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 19:38 - Jul 19 with 1457 views | Gwyn737 |
| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 19:22 - Jul 19 by gadgetuk |
Apparently any pay rise that is agreed above the 3% budgeted has to be found from existing budgets. Maybe the Welsh assembly don't agree with that approach? |
Yep.
Teacher pay increases have been agreed on a sliding scale from 5 - 8.9% - all to be found through existing budgets.
It’ll mean cuts that’ll almost certainly include job losses. | | | |
| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 20:04 - Jul 19 with 1440 views | Dr_Winston |
There's always money for more Politicians, especially politicians that increase the likelihold of the current powers retaining it.
The move to increase the number of AM's is basically Drakeford's enabling act. |  |
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| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 20:35 - Jul 19 with 1409 views | Catullus |
| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 19:22 - Jul 19 by gadgetuk |
Apparently any pay rise that is agreed above the 3% budgeted has to be found from existing budgets. Maybe the Welsh assembly don't agree with that approach? |
They probably don't, maybe they should use that same approach when their next pay rise is due.
Here's a thought, if we are having a 50% rise in Senedd members maybe they should take the existing budget and divide it by the new number of MS's? After all with all these new members they'll all have less work to do. | |
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| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 21:01 - Jul 19 with 1394 views | majorraglan |
I totally agree with you about the number of AM’s, it shouldn’t be increased, but the costs of 30 odd new AM’s (which I’m dead against) is relatively small compared to the cost the NHS pay rise will cost. If I were Drakers, I’d pull the speed limit change and the I ncrease in AM’s.
There are around 78,000 working in the NHS, the pay rise is going to cost a lot f money and f it has to come out of existing budgets services are going to be severely affected. On top of this, hospitals will be picking up the additional energy costs etc, - services are going to get worse, a lot worse.
Edit- clarify matter. [Post edited 19 Jul 2022 21:22]
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| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 21:18 - Jul 19 with 1370 views | Whiterockin |
| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 21:01 - Jul 19 by majorraglan |
I totally agree with you about the number of AM’s, it shouldn’t be increased, but the costs of 30 odd new AM’s (which I’m dead against) is relatively small compared to the cost the NHS pay rise will cost. If I were Drakers, I’d pull the speed limit change and the I ncrease in AM’s.
There are around 78,000 working in the NHS, the pay rise is going to cost a lot f money and f it has to come out of existing budgets services are going to be severely affected. On top of this, hospitals will be picking up the additional energy costs etc, - services are going to get worse, a lot worse.
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The extra Senedd members are going to cost about £12M a year, a fair amount. So cancel it. Cancel the speed restrictions and there is a chunk of the money.
If the workers get a pay increase providing they pay tax and NI about 30% will go back to the government anyway. Hand this over to contribute to the pay increase.
To simplistic or am I missing something. |  | | |
| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 21:34 - Jul 19 with 1351 views | raynor94 |
Uk government would be mad to give the assembly anymore money, for the closed shop of Drakeford and Price to waste on their fantasy projects.
Surely time to knock these extra members project on the head |  |
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| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 21:49 - Jul 19 with 1338 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 21:34 - Jul 19 by raynor94 |
Uk government would be mad to give the assembly anymore money, for the closed shop of Drakeford and Price to waste on their fantasy projects.
Surely time to knock these extra members project on the head |
Too many vanity projects, airport, farm, Senedd members, free prescriptions to higher tax payers, 20 mph limit etc. They all add up. |  |
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| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 22:23 - Jul 19 with 1316 views | BryanSwan |
Wage rises don't always equal inflation. Most wages have been pretty stagnant for years, its those at the top that are keeping on increasing the prices and stealing the profits.
Funding a possible 9% pay rise without job losses is going to be impossible. Pay rise - Job cuts - worse service. Nice way to help drive up the Private healthcare market. | |
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| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 23:13 - Jul 19 with 1295 views | builthjack |
There should never ever be percentage pay rises.
That way the top earners always get more.
It should be a flat rate pay rise for every employee. |  |
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| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 23:32 - Jul 19 with 1291 views | Treforys_Jack |
| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 20:04 - Jul 19 by Dr_Winston |
There's always money for more Politicians, especially politicians that increase the likelihold of the current powers retaining it.
The move to increase the number of AM's is basically Drakeford's enabling act. |
Its abhorrent what he's doing. |  | | |
| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 23:58 - Jul 19 with 1282 views | britferry |
I wonder how much free prescriptions (which I agree with) costs?
And free parking at hospitals (which I agree with) also costs?
I'd happily give the lower paid NHS staff 10%, and I'd give the rest over 5% too but its all a political game, sadly involving peoples lives.
And we don't want anymore AM's | |
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| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 00:17 - Jul 20 with 1276 views | GixerJack |
| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 23:58 - Jul 19 by britferry |
I wonder how much free prescriptions (which I agree with) costs?
And free parking at hospitals (which I agree with) also costs?
I'd happily give the lower paid NHS staff 10%, and I'd give the rest over 5% too but its all a political game, sadly involving peoples lives.
And we don't want anymore AM's |
Free parking doesn’t cost it just reduces income |  | | |
| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 04:35 - Jul 20 with 1239 views | Kilkennyjack |
The uk government Tory Brexit has cost the uk economy twice as much as the pandemic.
Thats by the governments own figures.
Thats why the senedd is not getting the funding it needs.
Likewise the HS2 robbery of Cymru.
The Crown Estates robbery of Cymru.
Who paid for Johnsons Chequers party, or his cosplay RAF photoshoot ?
Tory economic policy in Westminster has delivered this damaging inflation.
As Prof Drakers keeps repeating the uk only survives with immediate and serious reform. |  |
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| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 06:42 - Jul 20 with 1221 views | Dr_Winston |
| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 23:32 - Jul 19 by Treforys_Jack |
Its abhorrent what he's doing. |
And people don't care. Truly, Wales will get the Government it deserves. | |
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| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 08:14 - Jul 20 with 1161 views | Whiterockin |
| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 00:17 - Jul 20 by GixerJack |
Free parking doesn’t cost it just reduces income |
It actually does cost. Singleton Hospital entrance is manned by a couple of stewards and you are checked for your reason for entering. Pay and display could be automated. Not that I am against the free parking. | | | |
| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 09:15 - Jul 20 with 1126 views | controversial_jack |
| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 21:34 - Jul 19 by raynor94 |
Uk government would be mad to give the assembly anymore money, for the closed shop of Drakeford and Price to waste on their fantasy projects.
Surely time to knock these extra members project on the head |
The Uk doesn't give Wales any money, it's our share. You need to get out of this victim and inferiority mentality. | | | |
| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 09:27 - Jul 20 with 1127 views | raynor94 |
| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 09:15 - Jul 20 by controversial_jack |
The Uk doesn't give Wales any money, it's our share. You need to get out of this victim and inferiority mentality. |
I'm not a victim or inferior, it doesn't affect me, call it whatever you like, but this assembly has been a disaster for Wales.
And they want a load more to join the gravy train | |
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| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 09:34 - Jul 20 with 1115 views | gadgetuk |
I agree that the assembly needs to have a major overhaul, but I don't believe it should be scrapped.
The issues we have with the senedd are exactly the same as we have with westminster - a perception that the money gets spent within its immediate vicinity (Substitute South East for Cardiff) or on pet projects that only serve the capital (HS2 will ultimately allow more people to commute from further away to London).
We need the senedd to work for the whole of Wales which means improving transport links, shifting civil service jobs across the country etc and actually listening to what the country wants.
Personally I would prefer to see Plaid in charge (and I'm saying that as a labour supporter).
The last thing I want is the senedd to be scrapped. Westminster is not our friend. | | | |
| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 11:38 - Jul 20 with 1074 views | BryanSwan |
| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 23:13 - Jul 19 by builthjack |
There should never ever be percentage pay rises.
That way the top earners always get more.
It should be a flat rate pay rise for every employee. |
Spot on here.
% pay rises are a con, 5% of 20k is 1k whereas 5% of 80k is 4k. The gulf between rich and poor keeps on increasing.
Performance based pay rises where possible would be much better. I'd begrudge getting the same pay rises as colleagues who dont pull their weight. | |
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| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 11:58 - Jul 20 with 1057 views | gadgetuk |
Another way to approach it would be like we do with income tax levels. For those on 20% tax, pay rise is 5%, for those on 40% bracket, 3% and those on 45%, 1%.
Pretty easy to implement I would have thought. | | | |
| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 12:29 - Jul 20 with 1034 views | felixstowe_jack |
| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 09:15 - Jul 20 by controversial_jack |
The Uk doesn't give Wales any money, it's our share. You need to get out of this victim and inferiority mentality. |
The UK government shared money from UK taxed across the whole of the UK. Of course Wales , Scotland and NI get extra subsidies over and above the tax they raise. This is one of the advantages of being part of a prosperous UK. | |
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| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 12:32 - Jul 20 with 1031 views | Gwyn737 |
The numbers have been crunched.
The unfunded public sector pay rises anounced yesterday will strip £7 billion out of services.
Remember this when you can get a GP appointment, a crime dealt with or any support for your kids in school. | | | |
| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 17:27 - Jul 20 with 980 views | Catullus |
| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 00:17 - Jul 20 by GixerJack |
Free parking doesn’t cost it just reduces income |
Just taking Singleton, they have 2 members of staff and the upkeep of the parking area, there is a cost. | |
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| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 17:33 - Jul 20 with 971 views | Catullus |
| UK versus Wales, the pay rise debate on 23:13 - Jul 19 by builthjack |
There should never ever be percentage pay rises.
That way the top earners always get more.
It should be a flat rate pay rise for every employee. |
I completely agree. The percentage rises have only widened the wealth gap. | |
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