| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch 19:12 - Oct 24 with 10864 views | KeithHaynes |
Beirut) — Qatar Preventive Security Department forces have arbitrarily arrested lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people and subjected them to ill-treatment in detention, Human Rights Watch said today. LGBT people interviewed said that their mistreatment took place as recently as September 2022, as Qatar prepared to host the 2022 FIFA Men’s World Cup in November and even as the government came under intense scrutiny for its treatment of LGBT people.
Human Rights Watch documented six cases of severe and repeated beatings and five cases of sexual harassment in police custody between 2019 and 2022. Security forces arrested people in public places based solely on their gender expression and unlawfully searched their phones. As a requirement for their release, security forces mandated that transgender women detainees attend conversion therapy sessions at a government-sponsored “behavioral healthcare” center.
“While Qatar prepares to host the World Cup, security forces are detaining and abusing LGBT people simply for who they are, apparently confident that the security force abuses will go unreported and unchecked,” said Rasha Younes, LGBT rights researcher at Human Rights Watch. “Qatari authorities need to end impunity for violence against LGBT people. The world is watching.”
Human Rights Watch interviewed six LGBT Qataris, including four transgender women, one bisexual woman, and one gay man. Doctor Nasser Mohamed, an openly gay Qatari activist, helped connect Human Rights Watch to five of those interviewed.
All said that Preventive Security Department officers detained them in an underground prison in Al Dafneh, Doha, where they verbally harassed and subjected detainees to physical abuse, ranging from slapping to kicking and punching until they bled. One woman said she lost consciousness. Security officers also inflicted verbal abuse, extracted forced confessions, and denied detainees access to legal counsel, family, and medical care. All six said that police forced them to sign pledges indicating that they would “cease immoral activity.”
All were detained without charge, in one case for two months in solitary confinement, without access to legal counsel. None received any record of having been detained. These acts could constitute arbitrary detention under international human rights law.
The Preventive Security Department is under Qatar’s Interior Ministry.
A transgender Qatari woman said that after security forces arrested her on the street in Doha, Preventive Security officers accused her of “imitating women” because of her gender expression. In the police car, they beat her until her lips and nose were bleeding and kicked her in the stomach, she said. “You gays are immoral, so we will be the same to you,” she said one officer told her.
“I saw many other LGBT people detained there: two Moroccan lesbians, four Filipino gay men, and one Nepalese gay man,” she said. “I was detained for three weeks without charge, and officers repeatedly sexually harassed me. Part of the release requirement was attending sessions with a psychologist who ‘would make me a man again.’”
Another Qatari transgender woman said she was arrested in public by Preventive Security Department forces because she was wearing makeup. “They gave me hand wipes and made me wipe the makeup off my face,” she said. “They used the makeup-stained wipes as evidence against me and took a picture of me with the wipes in my hand. They also shaved my hair.” Security forces made her sign a pledge that she would not wear makeup again as a condition for her release, she said.
A Qatari bisexual woman said: “[Preventive Security officers] beat me until I lost consciousness several times. An officer took me blindfolded by car to another place that felt like a private home from the inside and forced me to watch restrained people getting beaten as an intimidation tactic.”
A Qatari transgender woman, arrested by Preventive Security in public in Doha, said: “They [Preventive Security] are a mafia. They detained me twice, once for two months in a solitary cell underground, and once for six weeks. They beat me every day and shaved my hair. They also made me take off my shirt and took a picture of my breasts. I suffered from depression because of my detention. I still have nightmares to this day, and I’m terrified of being in public.”
In all cases, LGBT detainees said, Preventive Security forces forced them to unlock their phones and took screenshots of private pictures and chats from their devices, as well as contact information of other LGBT people.
A Qatari gay man who has experienced government repression, including arbitrary arrest, said that security forces surveilled and arrested him based on his online activity.
All those interviewed provided strikingly similar accounts. The repressive climate around free expression in Qatar, including around the rights of LGBT people, has made many people who may have experienced mistreatment afraid to be interviewed because of the risk of retaliation, Human Rights Watch said.
Qatar’s Penal Code, under article 285, punishes extramarital sex, including same-sex relations, with up to seven years in prison. None of those interviewed said they faced charges, and it appears their arbitrary arrest and detention is based on Law No 17 of 2002 on Protection of Community, which allows for provisional detention without charge or trial for up to six months, if “there exist well-founded reasons to believe that the defendant may have committed a crime,” including “violating public morality.” Qatari authorities also censor mainstream media reports about sexual orientation and gender identity.
In 2020, Qatar assured prospective visitors that it would welcome LGBT visitors and that fans would be free to fly the rainbow flag at the World Cup football games. Suggestions by officials that Qatar would make an exception to its abusive laws and practices for outsiders are implicit reminders that Qatari authorities do not believe that its LGBT citizens and residents deserve basic rights, Human Rights Watch said.
FIFA, the football governing body, which awarded Qatar the World Cup in 2010, adopted in 2016 the United Nations Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights, which require it to “avoid infringing on the human rights of others and address adverse human rights impacts.” It requires FIFA to take adequate measures for the “prevention, mitigation, and remediation” of human rights impacts.
Qatari security forces should end arrests for adult, consensual sexual relations, including same-sex conduct, or those based on gender expression, and immediately release LGBT people who remain arbitrarily detained, Human Rights Watch said. The Qatari government should put an end to security force ill-treatment against LGBT people, including by halting any government-sponsored programs aimed at conversion practices. Countries sending external security forces to Qatar during the World Cup should ensure they comply with international human rights law and refrain from adding to Qatari security forces’ abuses.
The Qatari authorities should repeal article 285 and all other laws that criminalize consensual sexual relations outside of marriage and introduce legislation that protects against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity, online and offline. Freedom of expression and nondiscrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity should be guaranteed, permanently, for all residents of Qatar, not just spectators going to Qatar for the World Cup, Human Rights Watch said.
“Only weeks ahead of the World Cup, LGBT people are raising the alarm on the abuses they have endured by security forces,” Younes said. “The Qatari government should call an immediate halt to this abuse and FIFA should push the Qatari government to ensure long-term reform that protects LGBT people from discrimination and violence."
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| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 21:48 - Oct 26 with 1288 views | KeithHaynes |
| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 21:33 - Oct 26 by trampie |
Spain has an Imperialist fascist history, even as late as the Wars unlike other neutral countries they actively supported the Axis forces, Cadiz was where German U-boats got refuelled and resupplied at one time, and bull fighting is still allowed in this day and age.
Better to have a World cup in Wales. |
In certain places yes there are bull fighting events. But not everywhere.
The current govt is extreme left.
My grandfather came here in the thirties and fought the fascists.
It didn’t work.
But the weather is nice. | |
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| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 22:08 - Oct 26 with 1260 views | onehunglow |
| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 21:59 - Oct 26 by BryanSwan |
Could've named half the globe and it would've been preferable to Qatar.
Just hoping everyone who is going does alright out there and gets home safe and sound. |
Absolutely right
Spain has a very note resting history ..
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| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 22:14 - Oct 26 with 1247 views | trampie |
Homosexuality in the UK in my lifetime was illegal and had been over here for centuries and centuries before that, so I find it a bit hypocritical for people over here to have a go at Qatar over this, likewise we taught our religious beliefs to people in Africa and the Pacific Islands when we had an Empire and now we try and tell those people what we taught them was wrong.  |  |
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| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 22:30 - Oct 26 with 1234 views | onehunglow |
| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 22:14 - Oct 26 by trampie |
Homosexuality in the UK in my lifetime was illegal and had been over here for centuries and centuries before that, so I find it a bit hypocritical for people over here to have a go at Qatar over this, likewise we taught our religious beliefs to people in Africa and the Pacific Islands when we had an Empire and now we try and tell those people what we taught them was wrong. |
It isn’t now.
Now is where we are . | |
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| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 07:11 - Oct 27 with 1161 views | Togg |
| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 21:33 - Oct 26 by trampie |
Spain has an Imperialist fascist history, even as late as the Wars unlike other neutral countries they actively supported the Axis forces, Cadiz was where German U-boats got refuelled and resupplied at one time, and bull fighting is still allowed in this day and age.
Better to have a World cup in Wales. |
Spain now has a left wing coalition government. Many fought against the Nationalists in the Civil War. Many from Europe including Wales also fought against the fascists. It has been a democracy since the 70s . It is made up off a number of autonomous regions.
You can be gay and not be persecuted. | | | |
| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 07:14 - Oct 27 with 1160 views | Togg |
| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 21:48 - Oct 26 by KeithHaynes |
In certain places yes there are bull fighting events. But not everywhere.
The current govt is extreme left.
My grandfather came here in the thirties and fought the fascists.
It didn’t work.
But the weather is nice. |
2 -3 euros for a beer or glass of good wine... sometimes a free tapa depending on the area...what's not to like | | | |
| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 07:19 - Oct 27 with 1156 views | Togg |
| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 22:14 - Oct 26 by trampie |
Homosexuality in the UK in my lifetime was illegal and had been over here for centuries and centuries before that, so I find it a bit hypocritical for people over here to have a go at Qatar over this, likewise we taught our religious beliefs to people in Africa and the Pacific Islands when we had an Empire and now we try and tell those people what we taught them was wrong. |
Things have moved on times have changed. | | | |
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| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 08:15 - Oct 27 with 1136 views | trampie |
| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 07:19 - Oct 27 by Togg |
Things have moved on times have changed. |
A general point and not about homosexuality, just because we think something is right it doesn't necessarily mean it is, trying to encourage others to do the same as us when we used to until recently do the same as them is one thing but for some of our kind to want to kick them out of sporting events or not trade with them might be a bit excessive considering our previous stance. | |
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| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 09:22 - Oct 27 with 1121 views | Togg |
| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 08:15 - Oct 27 by trampie |
A general point and not about homosexuality, just because we think something is right it doesn't necessarily mean it is, trying to encourage others to do the same as us when we used to until recently do the same as them is one thing but for some of our kind to want to kick them out of sporting events or not trade with them might be a bit excessive considering our previous stance. |
So would you have said the same thing about apartheid South Africa when we stopped sporting links, some trade agreements etc. That wasn't long ago and let's be honest the human rights of most democratic countries going back a few centuries wasn't that great. | | | |
| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 09:31 - Oct 27 with 1113 views | YrAlarch |
Surely opposition to the event being held in Qatar is not only for human rights reasons but also for sporting/logistical reasons. Put it all together and there is no justification for it being held there. | | | |
| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 09:41 - Oct 27 with 1106 views | onehunglow |
| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 09:31 - Oct 27 by YrAlarch |
Surely opposition to the event being held in Qatar is not only for human rights reasons but also for sporting/logistical reasons. Put it all together and there is no justification for it being held there. |
True. The whole world game has had to put its own game on hold to please the Qataris | |
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| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 09:45 - Oct 27 with 1101 views | YrAlarch |
| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 09:41 - Oct 27 by onehunglow |
True. The whole world game has had to put its own game on hold to please the Qataris |
... and the corrupt FIFA. | | | |
| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 09:53 - Oct 27 with 1095 views | onehunglow |
| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 09:45 - Oct 27 by YrAlarch |
... and the corrupt FIFA. |
Platini and Blatter.
Sick isn’t it | |
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| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 10:00 - Oct 27 with 1085 views | trampie |
| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 09:22 - Oct 27 by Togg |
So would you have said the same thing about apartheid South Africa when we stopped sporting links, some trade agreements etc. That wasn't long ago and let's be honest the human rights of most democratic countries going back a few centuries wasn't that great. |
The English led Britain had no right to occupy and run large parts of the World and we have no right to police the World now.
We along with the USA are one of the states that should have no absolute say in human rights, I remember the troubles in Northern Ireland and how the English led UK state conducted itself out there and that wasn't that long ago. | |
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| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 10:07 - Oct 27 with 1083 views | onehunglow |
| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 10:00 - Oct 27 by trampie |
The English led Britain had no right to occupy and run large parts of the World and we have no right to police the World now.
We along with the USA are one of the states that should have no absolute say in human rights, I remember the troubles in Northern Ireland and how the English led UK state conducted itself out there and that wasn't that long ago. |
The English .Again.
How much more ? | |
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| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 10:07 - Oct 27 with 1082 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 10:00 - Oct 27 by trampie |
The English led Britain had no right to occupy and run large parts of the World and we have no right to police the World now.
We along with the USA are one of the states that should have no absolute say in human rights, I remember the troubles in Northern Ireland and how the English led UK state conducted itself out there and that wasn't that long ago. |
We should have absolutely no say in human rights? Just stand back and be silent whilst young girls are being beaten to death for the “crime” of taking off a headscarf? Say nothing when people are thrown off buildings?
Yep ok then. |  |
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| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 10:12 - Oct 27 with 1073 views | onehunglow |
| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 10:07 - Oct 27 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
We should have absolutely no say in human rights? Just stand back and be silent whilst young girls are being beaten to death for the “crime” of taking off a headscarf? Say nothing when people are thrown off buildings?
Yep ok then. |
He forgets Welsh are an integral part of our history
No different to the English really.
Many Welsh proud to be British | |
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| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 10:14 - Oct 27 with 1070 views | trampie |
| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 10:07 - Oct 27 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
We should have absolutely no say in human rights? Just stand back and be silent whilst young girls are being beaten to death for the “crime” of taking off a headscarf? Say nothing when people are thrown off buildings?
Yep ok then. |
We was jailing people for been homosexuals, jailing people without trial, chucking people out of flying helicopters, eliminating people that were a danger to the state when officially we had no death penalty and all in my lifetime.
We or at least our friends the other side of the Dyke have no right to lecture people around the World what is right and what is wrong. | |
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| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 10:24 - Oct 27 with 1061 views | trampie |
PS I forgot a recent case, we made a schoolgirl, a child that had been radicalised stateless, an English born and bred girl was stripped of her citizenship because we did not like the company she kept, if she done wrong she is our/Englands problem and she should go to borstal or young offenders prison or whatever they do but to strip a child of her citizenship, is the most ridiculous thing I have heard of and we try and tell the rest of the World how to behave, lol, we need to look at ourselves first. [Post edited 27 Oct 2022 10:25]
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| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 10:27 - Oct 27 with 1053 views | Togg |
| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 10:00 - Oct 27 by trampie |
The English led Britain had no right to occupy and run large parts of the World and we have no right to police the World now.
We along with the USA are one of the states that should have no absolute say in human rights, I remember the troubles in Northern Ireland and how the English led UK state conducted itself out there and that wasn't that long ago. |
You didn't answer my question about apartheid South Africa. | | | |
| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 10:49 - Oct 27 with 1034 views | trampie |
| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 10:27 - Oct 27 by Togg |
You didn't answer my question about apartheid South Africa. |
Oh sorry Togg.
I don't think politics and sport should mix, my village toured South Africa decades ago to coincide with Wales first ever tour out there, the villagers beat teams with Springbok players preparing for the test match, Wales got hammered.
Mandela was a convicted terrorist wasn't he, didnt Thatcher used to make that point, should we have played Mandela's South Africa ?, here is a question for you Israel is seen as an apartheid state by many, should we play them ? [Post edited 27 Oct 2022 10:54]
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| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 11:10 - Oct 27 with 1007 views | Togg |
| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 10:49 - Oct 27 by trampie |
Oh sorry Togg.
I don't think politics and sport should mix, my village toured South Africa decades ago to coincide with Wales first ever tour out there, the villagers beat teams with Springbok players preparing for the test match, Wales got hammered.
Mandela was a convicted terrorist wasn't he, didnt Thatcher used to make that point, should we have played Mandela's South Africa ?, here is a question for you Israel is seen as an apartheid state by many, should we play them ? [Post edited 27 Oct 2022 10:54]
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Okay fair answer, so politics and sport should never mix.
Israel is a democratic country, which is surrounded by countries who want to wipe them off the map. The Jews historically have probably been the most persecuted people ever. There is a lot about Israel I don't personally like the land grabs for example.
Should they be banned, no and I've never mentioned Qatar not being able to hold the World Cup...just saying I would have preferred it to have been in Europe somewhere. | | | |
| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 13:30 - Oct 27 with 967 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 10:14 - Oct 27 by trampie |
We was jailing people for been homosexuals, jailing people without trial, chucking people out of flying helicopters, eliminating people that were a danger to the state when officially we had no death penalty and all in my lifetime.
We or at least our friends the other side of the Dyke have no right to lecture people around the World what is right and what is wrong. |
If we don’t stand up for young girls who face being beaten to death by the morality police for not wearing a hijab correctly then who will?
Would you see them stand alone? Is this just their fight? | |
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| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 14:23 - Oct 27 with 939 views | trampie |
| Qatar LGBGT from Human Rights watch on 13:30 - Oct 27 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
If we don’t stand up for young girls who face being beaten to death by the morality police for not wearing a hijab correctly then who will?
Would you see them stand alone? Is this just their fight? |
I can because I have standards, our establishment can't because they only have standards when it suits them. | |
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