| April Jones 08:17 - Dec 16 with 2725 views | Brynmill_Jack |
A quite harrowing programmer was shown last night about the events around the disappearance of April (around ten years ago) , the search for her which took almost 6 months, the criminal investigation and the conviction of Mark Bridger on all counts for her abduction, murder and his perversion of the course of justice to try to hide his actions. Her body was never found.
In a way I wished I hadn’t watched it but hearing the facts around Bridger, his failure to admit to anything to help ease the suffering of her family and wider community (despite the forensic evidence) was sickening.
The judge gave him a lifetime in prison with no parole (the most the law could give). I am against capital punishment on the premise of the mistaken identity problem but I’d gladly have allowed an exception in this case.
Full marks to the police who had a very complicated investigation to conduct and with great diligence carefully constructed a water tight case (as it turned out) with great support from an Italian forensics team who had the unenviable task of microscopically examining bone fragments from Bridger’s fire to see if they were pork bones (as bridger claimed) or human - which they were found to be.
I still can’t get my head around how dark someone’s mind becomes to even consider this kind of heinous and frankly evil crime. I hope every day is a horror in jail for him but that won’t give him any sense of the terror he subjected that little girl to. |  |
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| April Jones on 19:32 - Dec 17 with 871 views | trampie |
| April Jones on 19:14 - Dec 17 by KeithHaynes |
That’s the rub John, everything from the investigation to the information is the job of the officer in the case. Especially in serious cases. Don’t get me going on undisclosed material, that still must be one of the biggest gifts for a defence barrister.
It’s the knowledge of the law which defeats a number of police.
Can you imagine losing a case because the father of a baby decapitated his son ?
That’s what should drive the police in any inquiry. As I said, apply the investigative mindset from the core investigative doctrine and you can’t go wrong, you will always be seen as unbiased and transparent.
Ego needs leaving at the office door. |
Have you seen the Keith Hall case ?, it's currently on Prime. |  |
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| April Jones on 19:33 - Dec 17 with 879 views | KeithHaynes |
| April Jones on 19:30 - Dec 17 by trampie |
What if you lose your diary and can't remember where you were for a few hours ? |
Diary never leaves the office, date stamp technology is your Friend 😂 |  |
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| April Jones on 19:39 - Dec 17 with 850 views | trampie |
| April Jones on 19:33 - Dec 17 by KeithHaynes |
Diary never leaves the office, date stamp technology is your Friend 😂 |
In a notorious Swansea case (if I remember right), a policeman lost his diary and couldn't remember where he was for a few hours.
Seen a Omagh bomb thing (not heard this story before), the police record of everything that went on for that particular month was missing, it was kept in the police chiefs safe/office, files for every month for years was there except that one - odd or what ? [Post edited 17 Dec 2022 19:59]
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| April Jones on 19:45 - Dec 17 with 846 views | Sirjohnalot |
| April Jones on 19:30 - Dec 17 by trampie |
What if you lose your diary and can't remember where you were for a few hours ? |
Easy, the highlights of the first half v Coventry are on later |  | | |
| April Jones on 19:51 - Dec 17 with 829 views | KeithHaynes |
| April Jones on 19:39 - Dec 17 by trampie |
In a notorious Swansea case (if I remember right), a policeman lost his diary and couldn't remember where he was for a few hours.
Seen a Omagh bomb thing (not heard this story before), the police record of everything that went on for that particular month was missing, it was kept in the police chiefs safe/office, files for every month for years was there except that one - odd or what ? [Post edited 17 Dec 2022 19:59]
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Very, would not happen to an honest person with an eye on justice 👠| |
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| April Jones on 19:57 - Dec 17 with 814 views | trampie |
| April Jones on 19:51 - Dec 17 by KeithHaynes |
Very, would not happen to an honest person with an eye on justice 👠|
My take is the same as yours.  | |
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| April Jones on 20:06 - Dec 17 with 796 views | trampie |
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| April Jones on 20:15 - Dec 17 with 791 views | KeithHaynes |
| April Jones on 20:06 - Dec 17 by trampie |
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Without any knowledge Trampie I would say the admission was either solicited in adverse circumstances or contrary to PACE. | |
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| April Jones on 21:31 - Dec 17 with 764 views | KeithHaynes |
| April Jones on 19:07 - Dec 17 by trampie |
The police on the whole seem absolutely hopeless. |
Got to disagree, there’s thousands who do their very best every day within the system they can work to.
That’s the problem. | |
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| April Jones on 21:48 - Dec 17 with 746 views | majorraglan |
| April Jones on 19:33 - Dec 17 by KeithHaynes |
Diary never leaves the office, date stamp technology is your Friend 😂 |
Some forces didn’t have date stamps etc and used the PNB which went on patrol with them. A lot of Forces now have electronic organisers etc and tablets. |  | | |
| April Jones on 11:16 - Dec 18 with 684 views | KeithHaynes |
| April Jones on 21:48 - Dec 17 by majorraglan |
Some forces didn’t have date stamps etc and used the PNB which went on patrol with them. A lot of Forces now have electronic organisers etc and tablets. |
The PNB would be stamped on returning to the station. If it had a machine. If not the notes made in it would be dated and timed by hand 👠Faultless transparency ( if adhered to ) | |
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| April Jones on 18:06 - Dec 18 with 641 views | shingle |
| April Jones on 18:58 - Dec 17 by Sirjohnalot |
Let me put it another way.
There’s a new law allowing authorities to torture people so they can find out wheee bodies are. It works and we find out where they are giving families peace. 99 families are helped
You are convicted of murdering and hiding a child’s body somewhere in the Brecon Beacons. You are innocent. Should you be tortured ? |
Well you can put it in as many ways as you like but sadly that does not distract from your previous comments which implies it is possible that many of these convicted child murderers may not be guilty and must not be tortured in case they are innocent. | | | |
| April Jones on 18:18 - Dec 18 with 636 views | Sirjohnalot |
| April Jones on 18:06 - Dec 18 by shingle |
Well you can put it in as many ways as you like but sadly that does not distract from your previous comments which implies it is possible that many of these convicted child murderers may not be guilty and must not be tortured in case they are innocent. |
My point is that in the past, there’s are those that have been convicted and the public called for the death penalty. There was no doubt they will guilty and people hated them. Turns out they were not. I make no comment on any of the people you mentioned and I notice you didn’t answer the question.
My overall point is no one should be tortured. Results are often unreliable and there is that certain possibility that the person being tortured could be innocent. Where do you draw the line ? Do you allow the police to torture someone being interviewed before a trial of its ‘obvious ‘ they’ve done it ? Eg they admit they’ve murdered a child but won’t say where they’ve buried them ? | | | |
| April Jones on 18:24 - Dec 18 with 630 views | onehunglow |
| April Jones on 18:18 - Dec 18 by Sirjohnalot |
My point is that in the past, there’s are those that have been convicted and the public called for the death penalty. There was no doubt they will guilty and people hated them. Turns out they were not. I make no comment on any of the people you mentioned and I notice you didn’t answer the question.
My overall point is no one should be tortured. Results are often unreliable and there is that certain possibility that the person being tortured could be innocent. Where do you draw the line ? Do you allow the police to torture someone being interviewed before a trial of its ‘obvious ‘ they’ve done it ? Eg they admit they’ve murdered a child but won’t say where they’ve buried them ? |
On the other hand,to have one evil piece of humanity sitting smugly no commenting refusing to say where the body is is equally abhorrent .
More so,to many . | |
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| April Jones on 18:37 - Dec 18 with 628 views | shingle |
| April Jones on 18:18 - Dec 18 by Sirjohnalot |
My point is that in the past, there’s are those that have been convicted and the public called for the death penalty. There was no doubt they will guilty and people hated them. Turns out they were not. I make no comment on any of the people you mentioned and I notice you didn’t answer the question.
My overall point is no one should be tortured. Results are often unreliable and there is that certain possibility that the person being tortured could be innocent. Where do you draw the line ? Do you allow the police to torture someone being interviewed before a trial of its ‘obvious ‘ they’ve done it ? Eg they admit they’ve murdered a child but won’t say where they’ve buried them ? |
Is your question should i be tortured if i did not commit the crime, no of course not but yes if i did, but what you are implying after you were asked for advice being as you are a professional and most of us on here are not is you dare not torture any of these convicted child killers for there is the possibility that they did not commit the crime in the first place, and you also have still not answered if you are indeed implying that despite you putting things as you say in different ways. | | | |
| April Jones on 18:50 - Dec 18 with 613 views | Sirjohnalot |
| April Jones on 18:37 - Dec 18 by shingle |
Is your question should i be tortured if i did not commit the crime, no of course not but yes if i did, but what you are implying after you were asked for advice being as you are a professional and most of us on here are not is you dare not torture any of these convicted child killers for there is the possibility that they did not commit the crime in the first place, and you also have still not answered if you are indeed implying that despite you putting things as you say in different ways. |
I did not sit through any of the trials I therefore can’t comment on them. However, there was no suggestion from any of the barristers involved that there was anything untoward about any of the evidence.
I will be absolutely clear. I do not believe that torture is right whatever the situation. This country does not torture its citizens, we do not kill our citizens. We are signatories to many agreements which outlaw torture. We would join countries such as North Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq etc if we tortured people.
I’ll ask again, if convicted people were allowed to be tortured to reveal bodies, what about eg kidnappers ? If that was granted, what about bank robbers who take many millions ? Where do you draw the line ? Do you allow the police to torture suspects to get the truth ?
If this were to happen it would be inevitable that innocent people would ultimately be tortured. A Country such as ours would never allow this, we’d become even
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| April Jones on 18:51 - Dec 18 with 609 views | Sirjohnalot |
| April Jones on 18:24 - Dec 18 by onehunglow |
On the other hand,to have one evil piece of humanity sitting smugly no commenting refusing to say where the body is is equally abhorrent .
More so,to many . |
Would you be happy for the police to torture suspects to get an admission? | | | |
| April Jones on 19:02 - Dec 18 with 595 views | onehunglow |
One has a daughter butchered
The perp is interviewed and stays Schtum, refusing to say where the body is .
I’ve seen plenty of nasty body parts detached from people. It kinda colours your views.
You ,John,ply your trade in comfort, in safety,in a sanitised environment free from the omnipotent stench of violent death
To right I get angry ,more than you could understand
Sleep safe tonight in your bed | |
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| April Jones on 19:16 - Dec 18 with 592 views | Sirjohnalot |
| April Jones on 19:02 - Dec 18 by onehunglow |
One has a daughter butchered
The perp is interviewed and stays Schtum, refusing to say where the body is .
I’ve seen plenty of nasty body parts detached from people. It kinda colours your views.
You ,John,ply your trade in comfort, in safety,in a sanitised environment free from the omnipotent stench of violent death
To right I get angry ,more than you could understand
Sleep safe tonight in your bed |
So you would be happy to torture people in an interview.
Don’t play the sanitised card. I have gone through in excruciating detail for months and months every last detail of crime scenes. I’ve sat with victims and witnessed their heartbreak, I’ve had to take these people through in terrible, awful detail the worst parts of their lives. I have had to bear the responsibility of carrying people’s hopes of having justice. I’ve worked 18 hour days for months of prep and trials, not being able to sleep, I’ve had to cross examine the most evil people you can imagine.
So don’t give me the ‘ i ply my trade in comfort ‘ rubbish as if I don’t care or know what these people go through as I do.
It is hot headed police officers that are hell bent on convictions who don’t bother investigating the offence properly that screw up cases. They are the ones that stop people sleeping well in their beds.
For any serving or former police officer to even suggest that torturing suspects is a good idea is something that needs to belong in the past. | | | |
| April Jones on 12:34 - Dec 19 with 516 views | controversial_jack |
| April Jones on 19:16 - Dec 18 by Sirjohnalot |
So you would be happy to torture people in an interview.
Don’t play the sanitised card. I have gone through in excruciating detail for months and months every last detail of crime scenes. I’ve sat with victims and witnessed their heartbreak, I’ve had to take these people through in terrible, awful detail the worst parts of their lives. I have had to bear the responsibility of carrying people’s hopes of having justice. I’ve worked 18 hour days for months of prep and trials, not being able to sleep, I’ve had to cross examine the most evil people you can imagine.
So don’t give me the ‘ i ply my trade in comfort ‘ rubbish as if I don’t care or know what these people go through as I do.
It is hot headed police officers that are hell bent on convictions who don’t bother investigating the offence properly that screw up cases. They are the ones that stop people sleeping well in their beds.
For any serving or former police officer to even suggest that torturing suspects is a good idea is something that needs to belong in the past. |
He's a dinosaur and shouldn't be taken seriously | | | |
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