| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing 14:57 - Dec 14 with 6013 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
In what world is this allowed? Murdering scumbag Jordan McSweeney is refusing to come up from his cell and face the court on the grounds that he doesn’t want to have to view cctv of what he did. It’s making my blood boil. He should be dragged kicking and screaming to that courtroom. By his testicles if necessary and if they can find any.
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| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 15:00 - Dec 14 with 2680 views | onehunglow |
Just read this and I tend to agree |  |
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| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 15:17 - Dec 14 with 2669 views | Sirjohnalot |
Happens quite a lot.
There is not point in forcing him to come into court, as a) it would be an assault and b) more importantly, he would be likely to disrupt the sentencing and potentially assault and put at risk the security staff who are with him which will cause extra distress for the family of the victim.
All he would do would cause problems which would result in his being removed down to the cells anyway, which would defeat the purpose of his being forced to come to court.
It's also an aggravating feature which will increase any sentence. |  | | |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 15:25 - Dec 14 with 2665 views | pencoedjack |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 15:17 - Dec 14 by Sirjohnalot |
Happens quite a lot.
There is not point in forcing him to come into court, as a) it would be an assault and b) more importantly, he would be likely to disrupt the sentencing and potentially assault and put at risk the security staff who are with him which will cause extra distress for the family of the victim.
All he would do would cause problems which would result in his being removed down to the cells anyway, which would defeat the purpose of his being forced to come to court.
It's also an aggravating feature which will increase any sentence. |
Personally if he didn't come to court Id have the CCTV footage playing in the lowlifes cell 24/7 (in fact Id do it anyway).
Why do we care what a murderers anyway. |  | | |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 15:51 - Dec 14 with 2647 views | onehunglow |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 15:17 - Dec 14 by Sirjohnalot |
Happens quite a lot.
There is not point in forcing him to come into court, as a) it would be an assault and b) more importantly, he would be likely to disrupt the sentencing and potentially assault and put at risk the security staff who are with him which will cause extra distress for the family of the victim.
All he would do would cause problems which would result in his being removed down to the cells anyway, which would defeat the purpose of his being forced to come to court.
It's also an aggravating feature which will increase any sentence. |
The very fact you say it would an assault indicts our ludicrously fey justice system
Another matter, I despair when prisoners hoof it out if court when ideally I would bring them to court in orange overalls and in handcuffs and leg irons .
These are dangerous people we are talking out who kill others yet we are too crippled inside to deal with them as we should . | |
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| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 15:55 - Dec 14 with 2647 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 15:51 - Dec 14 by onehunglow |
The very fact you say it would an assault indicts our ludicrously fey justice system
Another matter, I despair when prisoners hoof it out if court when ideally I would bring them to court in orange overalls and in handcuffs and leg irons .
These are dangerous people we are talking out who kill others yet we are too crippled inside to deal with them as we should . |
What possible reason would you have to bring someone to court in an orange jump suit and leg irons ? We don’t live in Gotham.
How should we ‘deal with them as we should ?’
Other than be refused legal representation, and being manacled to the ceiling, how would you deal with people ? | | | |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 15:56 - Dec 14 with 2647 views | Flashberryjack |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 15:17 - Dec 14 by Sirjohnalot |
Happens quite a lot.
There is not point in forcing him to come into court, as a) it would be an assault and b) more importantly, he would be likely to disrupt the sentencing and potentially assault and put at risk the security staff who are with him which will cause extra distress for the family of the victim.
All he would do would cause problems which would result in his being removed down to the cells anyway, which would defeat the purpose of his being forced to come to court.
It's also an aggravating feature which will increase any sentence. |
Put him in a straight jacket if he poses a threat of violence whilst in the courtroom, murders shouldn't have a choice whether to remain in their cell or attend a court room, his victim didn't have choice.
If it was good enough for Hannibal Lector. |  |
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| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 16:16 - Dec 14 with 2626 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 15:56 - Dec 14 by Flashberryjack |
Put him in a straight jacket if he poses a threat of violence whilst in the courtroom, murders shouldn't have a choice whether to remain in their cell or attend a court room, his victim didn't have choice.
If it was good enough for Hannibal Lector. |
There are handcuffs applications but in reality, the courts are so overwhelmed with cases, huge delays, lack of judges, court rooms , and barristers to defend and prosecute, and a huge lack of security to bring people to court and to be available to safely manage the risk of people, it is safer, to leave them in their cells.
The whole system had been decimated for so long, these things simply can’t be done anymore.
I’m supposed to be starting to prosecute a very serious sex case, the first week in January, which goes back to 2018. It was listed yesterday, to be taken out for lack of court time, and relisted February 2024 ! Six years since when it is said to have happened. If they cant manage to have a trial in that situation, they’ve not got the resources to force someone to court | | | |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 16:44 - Dec 14 with 2602 views | Boundy |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 16:16 - Dec 14 by Sirjohnalot |
There are handcuffs applications but in reality, the courts are so overwhelmed with cases, huge delays, lack of judges, court rooms , and barristers to defend and prosecute, and a huge lack of security to bring people to court and to be available to safely manage the risk of people, it is safer, to leave them in their cells.
The whole system had been decimated for so long, these things simply can’t be done anymore.
I’m supposed to be starting to prosecute a very serious sex case, the first week in January, which goes back to 2018. It was listed yesterday, to be taken out for lack of court time, and relisted February 2024 ! Six years since when it is said to have happened. If they cant manage to have a trial in that situation, they’ve not got the resources to force someone to court |
I assume he's been found guilty, if so injection electrocution or what ever ways the quickest , job done then move on | |
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| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 17:11 - Dec 14 with 2588 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 16:44 - Dec 14 by Boundy |
I assume he's been found guilty, if so injection electrocution or what ever ways the quickest , job done then move on |
Sentenced to minimum of 38 years. | | | |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 17:24 - Dec 14 with 2578 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 15:17 - Dec 14 by Sirjohnalot |
Happens quite a lot.
There is not point in forcing him to come into court, as a) it would be an assault and b) more importantly, he would be likely to disrupt the sentencing and potentially assault and put at risk the security staff who are with him which will cause extra distress for the family of the victim.
All he would do would cause problems which would result in his being removed down to the cells anyway, which would defeat the purpose of his being forced to come to court.
It's also an aggravating feature which will increase any sentence. |
Are there not any instances where the family would like the chance to face the person who has ruined their lives and would find a bit of closure in directing the victim impact statement directly to him? If I were ever unfortunate enough to be in that situation I would probably want the perpetrator to be there.
Either way I don’t think the convicted should have the right to choose. | |
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| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 17:26 - Dec 14 with 2578 views | max936 |
This is why we need the death penalty as a deterrent, can't how how else we can stop acts like this, they commit a murder and go down every route possible to get the most lenient sentence possible.
Justice system is a joke on times. |  |
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| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 17:29 - Dec 14 with 2576 views | max936 |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 15:17 - Dec 14 by Sirjohnalot |
Happens quite a lot.
There is not point in forcing him to come into court, as a) it would be an assault and b) more importantly, he would be likely to disrupt the sentencing and potentially assault and put at risk the security staff who are with him which will cause extra distress for the family of the victim.
All he would do would cause problems which would result in his being removed down to the cells anyway, which would defeat the purpose of his being forced to come to court.
It's also an aggravating feature which will increase any sentence. |
"As it would be assault" Dear Me, just goes to p[rove that most defendants are treated with kid gloves while victims and their families suffer, disgraceful. | |
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| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 17:30 - Dec 14 with 2574 views | max936 |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 15:25 - Dec 14 by pencoedjack |
Personally if he didn't come to court Id have the CCTV footage playing in the lowlifes cell 24/7 (in fact Id do it anyway).
Why do we care what a murderers anyway. |
"Why do we care what a murderers anyway."
This 100% | |
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| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 17:36 - Dec 14 with 2564 views | max936 |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 15:55 - Dec 14 by Sirjohnalot |
What possible reason would you have to bring someone to court in an orange jump suit and leg irons ? We don’t live in Gotham.
How should we ‘deal with them as we should ?’
Other than be refused legal representation, and being manacled to the ceiling, how would you deal with people ? |
"What possible reason would you have to bring someone to court in an orange jump suit and leg irons.
Other than be refused legal representation, and being manacled to the ceiling, how would you deal with people "
This would be a good start, take their dignity away and humiliate them, much like they've done to their victims.
That Works 100% for me | |
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| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 17:40 - Dec 14 with 2546 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 17:36 - Dec 14 by max936 |
"What possible reason would you have to bring someone to court in an orange jump suit and leg irons.
Other than be refused legal representation, and being manacled to the ceiling, how would you deal with people "
This would be a good start, take their dignity away and humiliate them, much like they've done to their victims.
That Works 100% for me |
I can understand that but that’s not what justice is about. If the court descends to that type of behaviour it’s not justice it’s revenge.
Court has to be above that. | | | |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 17:43 - Dec 14 with 2543 views | Dr_Winston |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 17:26 - Dec 14 by max936 |
This is why we need the death penalty as a deterrent, can't how how else we can stop acts like this, they commit a murder and go down every route possible to get the most lenient sentence possible.
Justice system is a joke on times. |
The death penalty isn't a deterrent. I'd still have it as an option for punishment, but we shouldn't kid ourselves that it would put murderers off. Plenty of them happened before 1965, including one killer who was big mates with Albert Pierrepoint.
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| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 17:47 - Dec 14 with 2535 views | max936 |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 17:40 - Dec 14 by Sirjohnalot |
I can understand that but that’s not what justice is about. If the court descends to that type of behaviour it’s not justice it’s revenge.
Court has to be above that. |
I disagree 100% I'm afraid John, seems to me that despite the the humiliation, the torture pain and suffering that they have suffered and which their families will suffer for the rest of their lives, while the defendant is treated with kid gloves.
Why have Courts got to be like that, no thoughts for the victim or their surviving families, its a disgrace IMHO. | |
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| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 17:51 - Dec 14 with 2528 views | max936 |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 17:43 - Dec 14 by Dr_Winston |
The death penalty isn't a deterrent. I'd still have it as an option for punishment, but we shouldn't kid ourselves that it would put murderers off. Plenty of them happened before 1965, including one killer who was big mates with Albert Pierrepoint.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ |
An option would be a start, with the DNA and other damming evidence that can be found these day's has got to make convictions significantly safer than it was before, | |
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| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 18:02 - Dec 14 with 2514 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 17:40 - Dec 14 by Sirjohnalot |
I can understand that but that’s not what justice is about. If the court descends to that type of behaviour it’s not justice it’s revenge.
Court has to be above that. |
“It is not merely of some importance but is of fundamental importance that justice should not only be done, but should manifestly and undoubtedly be seen to be done”.
Not sure this applies when the convicted is cowering in a cell to avoid facing his day of judgement. | |
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| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 18:27 - Dec 14 with 2487 views | onehunglow |
Leg irons quite simply means prisoner can’t escape easily,like simply jumping out of the dock,as has happened .
Court above what ?
Courts are there to punish offenders.
Courts neglect to punish offenders
It’s why folk like me get upset
Death penalty doesn’t have to be a deterrent Dr W .It’s about simply allowing a family the peace to know the killer of their loved one isn’t released at some later stage when the deceased can only hope of Resurrection via Jesus .
It’s that simple
Do not pine or consider for one moment for those who terrorise people and ruin lives
I’m not surprised barristers feel this way ,with respect . | |
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| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 18:30 - Dec 14 with 2486 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 17:47 - Dec 14 by max936 |
I disagree 100% I'm afraid John, seems to me that despite the the humiliation, the torture pain and suffering that they have suffered and which their families will suffer for the rest of their lives, while the defendant is treated with kid gloves.
Why have Courts got to be like that, no thoughts for the victim or their surviving families, its a disgrace IMHO. |
About a month ago, I successfully prosecuted an extremely trauma case where the victims suffered a great deal.
I witnessed and was involved in care for the victims throughout, they were kept up to date, explained in detail what was going on, and special measures,were applied for to enable them to give evidence via a live link from their home address. After they had finished giving evidence, I spent well over an hour on the phone with them ensuring they were ok and ensuring that a colleague in the cps kept them up to date.
I’ve also seen the care given to witnesses from the witness care unit, even though they’re volunteers and the dedication from the people i work with
There’s a lot of dedication for the victims and the courts take it extremely seriously. There’s a lot of crap that goes on but to say no thought is given to the victims is, I’m afraid, is not fair or, in any way true.
Defendants are not treated with kid gloves, but they must be given a fair trial which also includes not being treated in a degrading way irrespective of what they’ve done. A court must be above what a defendant has done and has to be impartial. It is there to dispense justice, not revenge.
This person was sentenced to a min of 6 months. Hardly kid gloves I’d say.
When you’re prosecuting you have to approach a case impartially, with an open mind. You cannot take it personally or ‘hate’ the defendant. For a start you’d not last long and you’d not present the case as well you could | | | |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 18:31 - Dec 14 with 2484 views | pencoedjack |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 17:43 - Dec 14 by Dr_Winston |
The death penalty isn't a deterrent. I'd still have it as an option for punishment, but we shouldn't kid ourselves that it would put murderers off. Plenty of them happened before 1965, including one killer who was big mates with Albert Pierrepoint.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ |
We could use the money that’s wasted on keeping these lowlifes alive on allowing everyone to retire early.
Not my 1st choice for the money saved but it keeps some posters sweet 👠| | | |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 18:34 - Dec 14 with 2480 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 17:24 - Dec 14 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Are there not any instances where the family would like the chance to face the person who has ruined their lives and would find a bit of closure in directing the victim impact statement directly to him? If I were ever unfortunate enough to be in that situation I would probably want the perpetrator to be there.
Either way I don’t think the convicted should have the right to choose. |
I agree with you there but how much more distressing would it be if he disrupted the hearing by talking over proceedings?
This person was in the building but refused to come up,from the cells. Practical question is how would they get him there. There’s limited staff in court, they’re needed for other trials and other courts. There wouldn’t be the staff to bring him up and ensure he behaved himself.
Reality of our underfunded courts | | | |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 18:35 - Dec 14 with 2478 views | pencoedjack |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 17:29 - Dec 14 by max936 |
"As it would be assault" Dear Me, just goes to p[rove that most defendants are treated with kid gloves while victims and their families suffer, disgraceful. |
Indeed, I’d leave them on a wing where other prisoners could get at them.
These people are the scum of the earth. | | | |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 18:39 - Dec 14 with 2476 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 17:51 - Dec 14 by max936 |
An option would be a start, with the DNA and other damming evidence that can be found these day's has got to make convictions significantly safer than it was before, |
Unfortunately dna isn’t as damning as that. Evidence is emerging all the time regarding cross contamination, transference of dna, being unable to date dna.
Significantly safer is no comfort is someone is executed and then a few years done the line, further problems with dna emerges.
Plus you’d not got enough people to prosecute or defend a capital case | | | |
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