| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing 14:57 - Dec 14 with 6085 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
In what world is this allowed? Murdering scumbag Jordan McSweeney is refusing to come up from his cell and face the court on the grounds that he doesn’t want to have to view cctv of what he did. It’s making my blood boil. He should be dragged kicking and screaming to that courtroom. By his testicles if necessary and if they can find any.
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| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 21:30 - Dec 14 with 999 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 21:24 - Dec 14 by Dr_Winston |
I know the backstories. I also know plenty who have circumvented them.
One of my favourites was a girl from up North. Leeds I think. Every horrible childhood story you can think of applied to her. Then she fell in with a boyfriend who pimped her out. Several years on the needle and game followed.
She decided to up sticks and move to Swansea. Get away from everything and get herself clean. She managed it. The sense of pride that radiated from her was almost a physical force and being able to help her better herself from there (not that she really needed my paltry assistance) was and remains one of my proudest professional moments.
Ultimately, it's still a choice. Maybe I'm being unduly harsh but it can be done and there's plenty of assistance out there to help people make it. Not many do. |
One of proudest moments was getting a young girl out of the area she was and lined up with David Moyes when he manager at Everton and getting her into the local academy. Contacted Everton , explained her background (she was only 15-16) put me through to him, he was brilliant. She did a trial, was successful. Moved her out of the terrible care home she was in.
Changed her life. She rang me a few years later, she was doing a college course, and sorted her life out. I burst into tears, proudest moment of my career |  | | |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 21:31 - Dec 14 with 999 views | Dr_Winston |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 21:27 - Dec 14 by pencoedjack |
Think you are probably underestimating yourself there Dr.
Fair dos you should feel proud. |
Nice of you to say but I didn't do a lot.
Not in comparison to jumping on a train as far away as she could and facing down heroin withdrawal hundreds of miles away from anything she'd ever known.
I do often wonder how she's doing. I hope she's still doing OK. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 21:32 - Dec 14 with 994 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 21:24 - Dec 14 by Dr_Winston |
I know the backstories. I also know plenty who have circumvented them.
One of my favourites was a girl from up North. Leeds I think. Every horrible childhood story you can think of applied to her. Then she fell in with a boyfriend who pimped her out. Several years on the needle and game followed.
She decided to up sticks and move to Swansea. Get away from everything and get herself clean. She managed it. The sense of pride that radiated from her was almost a physical force and being able to help her better herself from there (not that she really needed my paltry assistance) was and remains one of my proudest professional moments.
Ultimately, it's still a choice. Maybe I'm being unduly harsh but it can be done and there's plenty of assistance out there to help people make it. Not many do. |
You should be incredibly proud of yourself. What a wonderful thing to do | | | |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 21:54 - Dec 14 with 967 views | Flashberryjack |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 21:30 - Dec 14 by Sirjohnalot |
One of proudest moments was getting a young girl out of the area she was and lined up with David Moyes when he manager at Everton and getting her into the local academy. Contacted Everton , explained her background (she was only 15-16) put me through to him, he was brilliant. She did a trial, was successful. Moved her out of the terrible care home she was in.
Changed her life. She rang me a few years later, she was doing a college course, and sorted her life out. I burst into tears, proudest moment of my career |
You're a good man doc. |  |
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| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 09:21 - Dec 15 with 906 views | onehunglow |
And now back on topic…
It insults us all does this case.
My opinion.
I ll reiterate the nauseous notion that if physically brought to caught then this would constitute assault .
Courts are sanitised areas where the smell of the blood and the guts and sinew of death iare absent . |  |
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| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 09:33 - Dec 15 with 897 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 09:21 - Dec 15 by onehunglow |
And now back on topic…
It insults us all does this case.
My opinion.
I ll reiterate the nauseous notion that if physically brought to caught then this would constitute assault .
Courts are sanitised areas where the smell of the blood and the guts and sinew of death iare absent . |
This is not true
We have to go through is minute details what happens in cases, jurors are given life time exemptions from ever having to sit again following certain cases, they are given numbers for counselling after hearing details of cases.
In my last trial we had to re start with a fresh jury as one of them refused to come back to court after hearing my opening as she could not cope.
You can deny whether being dragged to court against your will is an assault all you want, but without any doubt, it is. That is not an opinion, it is the law. Your opinion does not equate to what the law says.. It is not a 'nauseous notion' it is a matter of fact,
When was the last time you sat in court throughout the whole of a jury trial, not just when you were giving evidence, the whole trial and heard every day of the 'sanitised evidence ?' | | | |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 09:34 - Dec 15 with 893 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 21:31 - Dec 14 by Dr_Winston |
Nice of you to say but I didn't do a lot.
Not in comparison to jumping on a train as far away as she could and facing down heroin withdrawal hundreds of miles away from anything she'd ever known.
I do often wonder how she's doing. I hope she's still doing OK. |
Maybe not, but you could have been the sticking plaster that held her together | | | |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 09:39 - Dec 15 with 889 views | CountyJim |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 17:26 - Dec 14 by max936 |
This is why we need the death penalty as a deterrent, can't how how else we can stop acts like this, they commit a murder and go down every route possible to get the most lenient sentence possible.
Justice system is a joke on times. |
Unfortunately Steve we've killed so many innocent people the old bill just fitted up over the years because they where easy targets and they could hit their targets
For that reason I'm out |  | | |
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| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 10:06 - Dec 15 with 870 views | Dr_Winston |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 09:34 - Dec 15 by Sirjohnalot |
Maybe not, but you could have been the sticking plaster that held her together |
We didn't do much more other than chat about training options. She'd already done the hard work herself. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 10:09 - Dec 15 with 860 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 10:06 - Dec 15 by Dr_Winston |
We didn't do much more other than chat about training options. She'd already done the hard work herself. |
but as you know its those types of things, training options, jobs etc that enable people to start a 'normal' life and all the hard work being undone. Don't underestimate your part in that. It was probably vital | | | |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 11:37 - Dec 15 with 849 views | onehunglow |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 09:33 - Dec 15 by Sirjohnalot |
This is not true
We have to go through is minute details what happens in cases, jurors are given life time exemptions from ever having to sit again following certain cases, they are given numbers for counselling after hearing details of cases.
In my last trial we had to re start with a fresh jury as one of them refused to come back to court after hearing my opening as she could not cope.
You can deny whether being dragged to court against your will is an assault all you want, but without any doubt, it is. That is not an opinion, it is the law. Your opinion does not equate to what the law says.. It is not a 'nauseous notion' it is a matter of fact,
When was the last time you sat in court throughout the whole of a jury trial, not just when you were giving evidence, the whole trial and heard every day of the 'sanitised evidence ?' |
Please read what I post again.
I know full well notion is not fact .
I am suggesting the idea of assault in those circumstances is as I described .it is moreover an affront . Maybe the families should be given more consideration .
As regards appeals,there is none of victims of murders as in this case.
I’m out of this now as Jim’s anti police stance has again wound me up.
Have a marvelllous day | |
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| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 11:41 - Dec 15 with 847 views | CountyJim |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 11:37 - Dec 15 by onehunglow |
Please read what I post again.
I know full well notion is not fact .
I am suggesting the idea of assault in those circumstances is as I described .it is moreover an affront . Maybe the families should be given more consideration .
As regards appeals,there is none of victims of murders as in this case.
I’m out of this now as Jim’s anti police stance has again wound me up.
Have a marvelllous day |
So the old bill have never fitted anyone up who's been executed
Fair play | | | |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 11:46 - Dec 15 with 841 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 11:37 - Dec 15 by onehunglow |
Please read what I post again.
I know full well notion is not fact .
I am suggesting the idea of assault in those circumstances is as I described .it is moreover an affront . Maybe the families should be given more consideration .
As regards appeals,there is none of victims of murders as in this case.
I’m out of this now as Jim’s anti police stance has again wound me up.
Have a marvelllous day |
Yes, it's not fair is it when someone unfairly maligns your profession ? | | | |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 12:20 - Dec 15 with 818 views | raynor94 |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 17:11 - Dec 14 by Sirjohnalot |
Sentenced to minimum of 38 years. |
What a total waste of taxpayers money.
This is a case for capital punishment |  |
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| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 12:27 - Dec 15 with 805 views | STID2017 |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 11:37 - Dec 15 by onehunglow |
Please read what I post again.
I know full well notion is not fact .
I am suggesting the idea of assault in those circumstances is as I described .it is moreover an affront . Maybe the families should be given more consideration .
As regards appeals,there is none of victims of murders as in this case.
I’m out of this now as Jim’s anti police stance has again wound me up.
Have a marvelllous day |
Suggest you watch The Ice cream wars on BBC iplayer.
6 innocent members of a family died in a firebomb attack and no one properly convicted because the police tried to stitch up "the usual suspects"
Real 1980's policing at it's best - not |  |
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| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 12:47 - Dec 15 with 786 views | CountyJim |
There was a case in 80s a newsagent got murdered the police fitted up some local criminals ok no angel's but got done for murder at the trial the judge said if the death penalty was available they would have swung
15 years later and a shed full of compo all released because new DNA evidence found.
It's shocking really but you got the hangum mentality of some.
I really feel for the decent police officers but you got ex job on here will back every dodgy action | | | |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 13:41 - Dec 15 with 762 views | pencoedjack |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 12:47 - Dec 15 by CountyJim |
There was a case in 80s a newsagent got murdered the police fitted up some local criminals ok no angel's but got done for murder at the trial the judge said if the death penalty was available they would have swung
15 years later and a shed full of compo all released because new DNA evidence found.
It's shocking really but you got the hangum mentality of some.
I really feel for the decent police officers but you got ex job on here will back every dodgy action |
Cool story.
I’d imagine you are the type person who feels the 2 lowlifes in the 24 hours in police custody were hard done by.
If you need police help 1 day maybe you should ask if they are decent coppers. |  | | |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 13:58 - Dec 15 with 744 views | CountyJim |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 13:41 - Dec 15 by pencoedjack |
Cool story.
I’d imagine you are the type person who feels the 2 lowlifes in the 24 hours in police custody were hard done by.
If you need police help 1 day maybe you should ask if they are decent coppers. |
Not at all I watched with the wife and we both said it was outrageous he was sent down ok he shouldn't have chased after them but hey he did both the low life's should have been banged up for going to rob imo
And I'll say it again for about the hundredth time I've no issues with the decent old bill and glad they do their jobs in a professional manner | | | |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 22:45 - Dec 15 with 663 views | max936 |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 12:47 - Dec 15 by CountyJim |
There was a case in 80s a newsagent got murdered the police fitted up some local criminals ok no angel's but got done for murder at the trial the judge said if the death penalty was available they would have swung
15 years later and a shed full of compo all released because new DNA evidence found.
It's shocking really but you got the hangum mentality of some.
I really feel for the decent police officers but you got ex job on here will back every dodgy action |
That's one case, todays DNA is a different DNA to those days, in this case guilt is beyond reasonable doubt, as it is in most of todays case's of similarity, this scumbag should not be in jail for life, much like the Ian Huntley's of this World, even death is to good for the evil in these two, but death it should be, why should the tax payer pay to keep evil locked up and fed and watered. |  |
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| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 23:08 - Dec 15 with 653 views | onehunglow |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 22:45 - Dec 15 by max936 |
That's one case, todays DNA is a different DNA to those days, in this case guilt is beyond reasonable doubt, as it is in most of todays case's of similarity, this scumbag should not be in jail for life, much like the Ian Huntley's of this World, even death is to good for the evil in these two, but death it should be, why should the tax payer pay to keep evil locked up and fed and watered. |
God forbid Jim never has to see a family member as a victim of this nature
Hang ‘em or inject em.
Either way, we look after ourselves and our families ,not those who kill them
Assault in the context is sick. Law it maybe . In fact the Law is nothing but sick | |
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| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 23:11 - Dec 15 with 645 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 22:45 - Dec 15 by max936 |
That's one case, todays DNA is a different DNA to those days, in this case guilt is beyond reasonable doubt, as it is in most of todays case's of similarity, this scumbag should not be in jail for life, much like the Ian Huntley's of this World, even death is to good for the evil in these two, but death it should be, why should the tax payer pay to keep evil locked up and fed and watered. |
Because as I’ve explained above DNA is not infallible. Science changes, mistakes are still made. It was clear the Birmingham 6 were guilty, right up to the point they were not.
Dead people cannot appeal.
You have to look at the law in general. Not one case.
Capital punishment will never return. | | | |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 08:20 - Dec 16 with 611 views | STID2017 |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 23:08 - Dec 15 by onehunglow |
God forbid Jim never has to see a family member as a victim of this nature
Hang ‘em or inject em.
Either way, we look after ourselves and our families ,not those who kill them
Assault in the context is sick. Law it maybe . In fact the Law is nothing but sick |
I would like to think that all police were sensible people who sought for justice not revenge, and were able to balance the need for justice being seen to be done with the need for justice actually being done.
Sadly history, and your archaic attitude as a former serving policeman, tells me otherwise. | |
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| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 09:35 - Dec 16 with 603 views | onehunglow |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 08:20 - Dec 16 by STID2017 |
I would like to think that all police were sensible people who sought for justice not revenge, and were able to balance the need for justice being seen to be done with the need for justice actually being done.
Sadly history, and your archaic attitude as a former serving policeman, tells me otherwise. |
Not sure there's a need for that last paragraph,was there.
I stand by every word.
I have similiar offensive views of many on here,whose texts turn the stomach. This site,your group of chums is not a representative of life today a you think so before you pout such comments,take a step back.
The 80s were a war zone .
Stick to Magnums | |
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| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 09:57 - Dec 16 with 589 views | STID2017 |
| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 09:35 - Dec 16 by onehunglow |
Not sure there's a need for that last paragraph,was there.
I stand by every word.
I have similiar offensive views of many on here,whose texts turn the stomach. This site,your group of chums is not a representative of life today a you think so before you pout such comments,take a step back.
The 80s were a war zone .
Stick to Magnums |
I am the same as you in that I post my own views, regardless of what others, including my "chums" may think.
My viewpoint is drawn from your posts on certain subjects and / or your replies to other posters.
Ever since I was young growing up in Clase I had a respect for the law.
A PC Williams lived in the police house and we all respected him.
I have carried that respect and belief in justice with me through to today, which is why I have the utmost respect for the law.
IMHO times are worse now yet no harm of law or justice has any excuse to abuse their power. Same back in the 1980's when Thatcher turned the police and army into her own private enforcement team.
The law of the people should never have been perverted then and should not be now.
An eye for an eye is not what we should be preaching | |
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| Murderer refuses to attend court for sentencing on 10:39 - Dec 16 with 558 views | CountyJim |
There's definitely a lynch mob mentality on here who want state murder | | | |
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