| Cardiff on 18:52 - Jan 14 with 1597 views | Whiterockin |
| Cardiff on 18:47 - Jan 14 by pete |
cardiff sack their manager now in last 40 mins |
Basket case of a club from the very top to the bottom. If they want to move on they have to realise how bad they are and they are entitled to nothing. The have to build from the bottom slowly. |  | |  |
| Cardiff on 18:52 - Jan 14 with 1597 views | pete |
dont laugh our manager saying after todays game our transfer bis is further away than ever on incomings, there s a suprise lol |  | | |
| Cardiff on 18:57 - Jan 14 with 1569 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Cardiff on 17:23 - Jan 14 by ReslovenSwan1 |
You probably travel with ABTA cover or equivalent for holidays. ABTA registered companies have rigorous obligations to keep to. You insurance cover probably requires using firms with established duty of care obligations
You multi trip cover probably does not cover small firms with dubious record keeping. It is in the fine print.
Duty of care is defined as follows.
(Duty of Care is about individual well being , welfare, compliance and good practice).
The agent to be FIFA registered probably had to sign up to these obligations. That means he had to ensure the trip was fully insured in my view. |
It doesn’t require using specific firms. It covers travel for a certain duration of trip whether it’s with British airways or a local taxi firm in Riga. |  |
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| Cardiff on 19:36 - Jan 14 with 1529 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Cardiff on 18:57 - Jan 14 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
It doesn’t require using specific firms. It covers travel for a certain duration of trip whether it’s with British airways or a local taxi firm in Riga. |
Yo u need to read the small print. I am currently insured with Avanti and have the Travel insurance hand book with me.
On page 12 is classifies the terms.
Carrier definition.
A scheduled or chartered aircraft (excluding all non pressurised single engine piston aircraft) land (excluding any hired motor vehicle) or water conveyance licenced to carry passengers for hire.
This means taxis OK (if licensed) but not hire cars which need their own insurance. |  |
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| Cardiff on 19:38 - Jan 14 with 1526 views | raynor94 |
| Cardiff on 19:36 - Jan 14 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Yo u need to read the small print. I am currently insured with Avanti and have the Travel insurance hand book with me.
On page 12 is classifies the terms.
Carrier definition.
A scheduled or chartered aircraft (excluding all non pressurised single engine piston aircraft) land (excluding any hired motor vehicle) or water conveyance licenced to carry passengers for hire.
This means taxis OK (if licensed) but not hire cars which need their own insurance. |
Yawnnnnn, you must be a bundle of fun to have a drink with Victor |  |
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| Cardiff on 19:44 - Jan 14 with 1518 views | bennytheblue |
| Cardiff on 18:47 - Jan 14 by pete |
cardiff sack their manager now in last 40 mins |
Too late now, Tans shocking running of the club is finally catching up with him the useless…….He will be lucky to get £80 for the club in league 1 nevermind the £80 million the fool wants |  | | |
| Cardiff on 19:50 - Jan 14 with 1510 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Cardiff on 19:38 - Jan 14 by raynor94 |
Yawnnnnn, you must be a bundle of fun to have a drink with Victor |
I just went to my travel insurance book and found it. It took 2 minutes. Now I am off for a pint and some pasta. | |
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| Cardiff on 20:21 - Jan 14 with 1447 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Cardiff on 15:52 - Jan 14 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Saying "booking a flight is not illegal" is a cop out. As a registered FIFA agent he had a duty of care.
Duty of care meant insuring the return trip. Probably no insurance company would insure it as they are smart people that do not cover risky activities with out a huge premium. They would have wanted details of the plane's owner, aviation history, aviation firm (you said did not exist) and possibly the pilot.
This would have seen the flight not go ahead under normal circumstances. it is not a hard concept to understand. |
And there we have come right back to you not understanding who has duty of care in what situation.
What he does for a living doesn’t mean he can’t book a flight or taxi without obtaining unrealistic reports. Being a registered FIFA agent is no different than being a qualified chef and booking a taxi for one of your customers when it’s raining.
The duty of care is with the transport company, not the chef who booked it.
If the trip was to be insured then that would be on Sala himself to cover his trip, not the person that booked him a flight as a favour. |  |
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| Cardiff on 20:23 - Jan 14 with 1437 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Cardiff on 19:50 - Jan 14 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I just went to my travel insurance book and found it. It took 2 minutes. Now I am off for a pint and some pasta. |
Make sure you haven’t ordered that food from the restaurant then, of course unless you have asked for the chef’s qualifications, the food safety certificate and their legal operating certificate you could be liable. | |
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| Cardiff on 20:24 - Jan 14 with 1457 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Cardiff on 20:21 - Jan 14 by Dr_Parnassus |
And there we have come right back to you not understanding who has duty of care in what situation.
What he does for a living doesn’t mean he can’t book a flight or taxi without obtaining unrealistic reports. Being a registered FIFA agent is no different than being a qualified chef and booking a taxi for one of your customers when it’s raining.
The duty of care is with the transport company, not the chef who booked it.
If the trip was to be insured then that would be on Sala himself to cover his trip, not the person that booked him a flight as a favour. |
Duty of care was obviously with David Henderson for organising the flight and he has been found criminally liable for it. | |
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| Cardiff on 20:27 - Jan 14 with 1428 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Cardiff on 20:24 - Jan 14 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Duty of care was obviously with David Henderson for organising the flight and he has been found criminally liable for it. |
Correct, and also the company that owned the plane.
Nobody else is liable.
So one is an old man in prison, and the other is untraceable due to American/European aviation registration laws.
As I’ve said multiple times, it’s over. | |
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| Cardiff on 02:02 - Jan 15 with 1354 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Cardiff on 20:27 - Jan 14 by Dr_Parnassus |
Correct, and also the company that owned the plane.
Nobody else is liable.
So one is an old man in prison, and the other is untraceable due to American/European aviation registration laws.
As I’ve said multiple times, it’s over. |
It is not over at all. It will be over when Cardiff city and Nantes say the matter is settled.
The old man in prison claims he told the acting agent the fights were not licenced. "The grey market" , This was stated in court. The agent denies it. The agent paid the pilot not the "aviation firm" you once claimed did not exist.
Any responsible person organising travel for a naive young person would surely check the insurance situation. My travel insurance excludes single engine unpressurized planes.
I have never been to a restaurant that paid my taxi home. | |
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| Cardiff on 07:49 - Jan 15 with 1290 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Cardiff on 02:02 - Jan 15 by ReslovenSwan1 |
It is not over at all. It will be over when Cardiff city and Nantes say the matter is settled.
The old man in prison claims he told the acting agent the fights were not licenced. "The grey market" , This was stated in court. The agent denies it. The agent paid the pilot not the "aviation firm" you once claimed did not exist.
Any responsible person organising travel for a naive young person would surely check the insurance situation. My travel insurance excludes single engine unpressurized planes.
I have never been to a restaurant that paid my taxi home. |
Nope it’s over when there is no realistic avenue left.
That moment is now.
I never said an aviation firm did not exist, I said the aviation firm you claimed existed - didn’t… and it doesn’t.
It’s a bloke looking on Facebook for jobs. That’s not an aviation firm.
Whether you have been at a restaurant who has booked you a taxi or not is irrelevant, it still wouldn’t be their responsibility if the driver wasn’t qualified.
It doesn’t have to be a restaurant of course, your mate booking you a taxi will be exactly the same. Booking transport with a company specialising in such things is perfectly normal behaviour…. Asking for safety and qualification reports however, isn’t.
It’s over. | |
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| Cardiff on 07:51 - Jan 15 with 1288 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Also who do you believe is “the acting agent” and acting for whom?
And where is your source regarding this conversation so I can read for myself where you keep going wrong?
Ta | |
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| Cardiff on 11:01 - Jan 15 with 1253 views | union_jack |
Any chance of this thread being locked. I keep going into it thinking there’ll be something if interest but it’s the same old, same old!!! |  |
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| Cardiff on 11:05 - Jan 15 with 1233 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Cardiff on 11:01 - Jan 15 by union_jack |
Any chance of this thread being locked. I keep going into it thinking there’ll be something if interest but it’s the same old, same old!!! |
You mean to say you don’t expect someone to breathe life into this dying conversation and actually come forward with a mechanical or licensing report from their last transport booking?
That’s a shame, I was looking forward to that.  | |
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| Cardiff on 11:10 - Jan 15 with 1242 views | union_jack |
| Cardiff on 11:05 - Jan 15 by Dr_Parnassus |
You mean to say you don’t expect someone to breathe life into this dying conversation and actually come forward with a mechanical or licensing report from their last transport booking?
That’s a shame, I was looking forward to that. |
I don’t think either of you can offer anything new to the discussion so surely best to leave it there. You’ve made your point more than once, and I agree with you but let it lie now. | |
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| Cardiff on 11:18 - Jan 15 with 1220 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Cardiff on 11:10 - Jan 15 by union_jack |
I don’t think either of you can offer anything new to the discussion so surely best to leave it there. You’ve made your point more than once, and I agree with you but let it lie now. |
I always reply to falsehoods.
Depends what he comes back with. If he continues to say that someone booking a taxi is liable for the state of the driver and such like, then I will probably have to interject. | |
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| Cardiff on 14:25 - Jan 15 with 1205 views | union_jack |
| Cardiff on 11:18 - Jan 15 by Dr_Parnassus |
I always reply to falsehoods.
Depends what he comes back with. If he continues to say that someone booking a taxi is liable for the state of the driver and such like, then I will probably have to interject. |
I’m not getting embroiled in a discussion with you here but you have told him the same thing over and over. He continues to argue his case which means you’re banging your head against a brick wall. It must be hurting by now so let him have his day. PleaseðŸ™ðŸ™ðŸ™ðŸ™ðŸ˜‰ | |
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| Cardiff on 14:40 - Jan 15 with 1174 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Cardiff on 07:49 - Jan 15 by Dr_Parnassus |
Nope it’s over when there is no realistic avenue left.
That moment is now.
I never said an aviation firm did not exist, I said the aviation firm you claimed existed - didn’t… and it doesn’t.
It’s a bloke looking on Facebook for jobs. That’s not an aviation firm.
Whether you have been at a restaurant who has booked you a taxi or not is irrelevant, it still wouldn’t be their responsibility if the driver wasn’t qualified.
It doesn’t have to be a restaurant of course, your mate booking you a taxi will be exactly the same. Booking transport with a company specialising in such things is perfectly normal behaviour…. Asking for safety and qualification reports however, isn’t.
It’s over. |
You do not understand the concept of 'duty of care' and compare a deeply dangerous uninsured 3 hour air trip in bad weather paid for in cash with a licensed and fully regulated taxi journey with commercial banners and tachometer paid with an option of a receipt.
I have brought this concept to your attention and you steadfastly deny it is relevant. Readers can do their own research and come to their own conclusions. The old man in prison told his client the agent flights were unlicensed. I do not need to direct you to it.
Enough from me. The readership should at least learn for this thread taking a hired single engine plane with out compression in the cabin is probably not covered in their travel insurance. It is not covered in my multi trip policy. Hot air balloning, rafting and motorbike hire all need examination. Duty of care for your family. | |
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| Cardiff on 20:36 - Jan 15 with 1097 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Cardiff on 14:40 - Jan 15 by ReslovenSwan1 |
You do not understand the concept of 'duty of care' and compare a deeply dangerous uninsured 3 hour air trip in bad weather paid for in cash with a licensed and fully regulated taxi journey with commercial banners and tachometer paid with an option of a receipt.
I have brought this concept to your attention and you steadfastly deny it is relevant. Readers can do their own research and come to their own conclusions. The old man in prison told his client the agent flights were unlicensed. I do not need to direct you to it.
Enough from me. The readership should at least learn for this thread taking a hired single engine plane with out compression in the cabin is probably not covered in their travel insurance. It is not covered in my multi trip policy. Hot air balloning, rafting and motorbike hire all need examination. Duty of care for your family. |
Yep I understand duty of care. You are confusing duty of care for the person who books a flight and someone who is responsible for that flight (aviation company).
Being bad weather on the day is of no consequence to the person that booked it, they aren’t weathermen. Whether the plane is insured or not is of no consequence to the person that booked it. These are both decisions that are made by the aviation company running it as to how they operate their business, nothing to do with who books it.
How do you know the taxi firm is highly regulated? It’s a local joint, new to the market who handed out cards to all local restaurants and shops… your mate picks up one of these cards and books you a taxi and after 10 mins the taxi crashes and it turns out the driver doesn’t have a license.
Take loyalties out of it - Do you sue your mate for booking it? Or the taxi company?
The answer is obvious to anyone and everyone.
I can bring worm farming to your attention but it doesn’t mean it’s relevant. You are bringing up false conversations had in court and have no clue where to provide the context when asked.
I think you have maybe raised the white flag, long overdue. You lost about 15 pages of nonsense ago spread over the various threads. You are against a different animal here mate, this is not a debate about the Trust.
You need to actually make sense when you talk with me as I will make you back it up, and you can’t sneak things past me like false conversations and ill-fitting concepts. | |
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| Cardiff on 15:39 - Jan 16 with 983 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Cardiff on 20:36 - Jan 15 by Dr_Parnassus |
Yep I understand duty of care. You are confusing duty of care for the person who books a flight and someone who is responsible for that flight (aviation company).
Being bad weather on the day is of no consequence to the person that booked it, they aren’t weathermen. Whether the plane is insured or not is of no consequence to the person that booked it. These are both decisions that are made by the aviation company running it as to how they operate their business, nothing to do with who books it.
How do you know the taxi firm is highly regulated? It’s a local joint, new to the market who handed out cards to all local restaurants and shops… your mate picks up one of these cards and books you a taxi and after 10 mins the taxi crashes and it turns out the driver doesn’t have a license.
Take loyalties out of it - Do you sue your mate for booking it? Or the taxi company?
The answer is obvious to anyone and everyone.
I can bring worm farming to your attention but it doesn’t mean it’s relevant. You are bringing up false conversations had in court and have no clue where to provide the context when asked.
I think you have maybe raised the white flag, long overdue. You lost about 15 pages of nonsense ago spread over the various threads. You are against a different animal here mate, this is not a debate about the Trust.
You need to actually make sense when you talk with me as I will make you back it up, and you can’t sneak things past me like false conversations and ill-fitting concepts. |
It is not my job to do your work for you. The court records are given in the press and I reported on them accurately. Duty of care means people who order something cannot pass the buck. People have a responsibility to check their suppliers and contractors.
It they are false then the Guardian must have fabricated. it. They have a good reputation for good reason You call it false without checking which seem to be the way you go about you business.
I argued there was an aviation firm involved, you said there was no aviation firm , just a bloke touting for business on facebook.
You then say the"duty of care " belonged to the "aviation firm". Therefore logically in conclusion, you must believe there was no "duty of care" to the player by the person who organised the flight and paid the pilot.
I believe the Ageny has issues to deal with and still do, you do not . We will find out.
I only use registered taxi companies and do not put my family in unregistered ones. This ensures some level of regulation. I have got into an out of taxis abroad if I am not satisfied.
The thread is dead or got to the 'worm farming' stage it seems. [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 15:41]
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| Cardiff on 16:44 - Jan 16 with 966 views | bennytheblue |
| Cardiff on 07:49 - Jan 15 by Dr_Parnassus |
Nope it’s over when there is no realistic avenue left.
That moment is now.
I never said an aviation firm did not exist, I said the aviation firm you claimed existed - didn’t… and it doesn’t.
It’s a bloke looking on Facebook for jobs. That’s not an aviation firm.
Whether you have been at a restaurant who has booked you a taxi or not is irrelevant, it still wouldn’t be their responsibility if the driver wasn’t qualified.
It doesn’t have to be a restaurant of course, your mate booking you a taxi will be exactly the same. Booking transport with a company specialising in such things is perfectly normal behaviour…. Asking for safety and qualification reports however, isn’t.
It’s over. |
It’s far from over….. | | | |
| Cardiff on 17:04 - Jan 16 with 945 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Cardiff on 16:44 - Jan 16 by bennytheblue |
It’s far from over….. |
Oh no it's not. Cardiff have paid the first instalment which any new court will see as an admission that the case is settled, won't they?
If Cardiff were going to continue fighting this they'd have to have carried on refusing to pay, surely?
There are no more avenues of appeal, FIFA have punished them and their response (to get the punishment removed) was to pay up.
Tha fat lady has sung mate. | | | |
| Cardiff on 17:12 - Jan 16 with 938 views | Whiterockin |
| Cardiff on 17:04 - Jan 16 by SullutaCreturned |
Oh no it's not. Cardiff have paid the first instalment which any new court will see as an admission that the case is settled, won't they?
If Cardiff were going to continue fighting this they'd have to have carried on refusing to pay, surely?
There are no more avenues of appeal, FIFA have punished them and their response (to get the punishment removed) was to pay up.
Tha fat lady has sung mate. |
Imo the only option Cardiff have is to pay in full and try and sue whoever they feel is at fault. A pointless exercise but Tan is stubborn and stupid in equal measures. We can just sit back and smile. | | | |
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