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Shamima Begum 14:52 - Feb 22 with 7902 viewsFlashberryjack

Shamima Begum has lost her appeal against the government's decision to remove her British citizenship and remains barred from returning to the UK.

Begum, now 23, left the country as a teenager to join the Islamic State (IS) group in Syria.

Personally, I'm glad she's been refused citizenship, but I just wonder how many times she can appeal against this decision, and who pays for her legal team, must be costing a fortune.

Thoughts ?


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Shamima Begum on 08:57 - Feb 23 with 1195 viewsJACKMANANDBOY

Shamima Begum on 07:12 - Feb 23 by Dr_Winston

In years gone by she'd have had her neck stretched. Should probably be grateful that her citizenship is all that she's lost.


We are only hearing her side of the story. As ever these days people can't think beyond what they are presented with by our campaigning media.

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Shamima Begum on 09:27 - Feb 23 with 1169 viewscontroversial_jack

Shamima Begum on 06:52 - Feb 23 by Togg

Think of the evil kids who killed Jamie Bulger. Even younger. Maybe we should have left them off .
She's not our problem anymore.


Did she kill anyone?

The judges accepted that “as a matter of basic common sense” Begum was groomed in the UK; that it was not plausible that she could have organised her travel to Syria by herself; that there is credible suspicion she was trafficked for the purposes of sexual exploitation; and that UK institutions are likely to have failed in their duty to protect her.
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Shamima Begum on 11:56 - Feb 23 with 1113 viewsTogg

Shamima Begum on 09:27 - Feb 23 by controversial_jack

Did she kill anyone?

The judges accepted that “as a matter of basic common sense” Begum was groomed in the UK; that it was not plausible that she could have organised her travel to Syria by herself; that there is credible suspicion she was trafficked for the purposes of sexual exploitation; and that UK institutions are likely to have failed in their duty to protect her.
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Not directly but venturing out to Syria. Joining a brutal regime, which is the enemy of this country. She is complicit. Didn't she watch TV when innocent people were getting blown up, beheaded, tortured etc
She made her choice. She now has to live with that.
Her citizenship has been revoked. Not our problem any longer.
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Shamima Begum on 12:06 - Feb 23 with 1107 viewsBoundy

Shamima Begum on 09:27 - Feb 23 by controversial_jack

Did she kill anyone?

The judges accepted that “as a matter of basic common sense” Begum was groomed in the UK; that it was not plausible that she could have organised her travel to Syria by herself; that there is credible suspicion she was trafficked for the purposes of sexual exploitation; and that UK institutions are likely to have failed in their duty to protect her.
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She was quite happy to watch others to do the deed and help in attaching suicide vests possibly to those who were forced to comply , but I see you're happy to ignore that detail , care to defend that little detail

"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."

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Shamima Begum on 12:15 - Feb 23 with 1104 viewsTogg

Shamima Begum on 12:06 - Feb 23 by Boundy

She was quite happy to watch others to do the deed and help in attaching suicide vests possibly to those who were forced to comply , but I see you're happy to ignore that detail , care to defend that little detail


If she was attaching suicide vests she is more than complicit.
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Shamima Begum on 12:15 - Feb 23 with 1102 viewsjohnlangy

Shamima Begum on 22:43 - Feb 22 by JACKMANANDBOY

If the security services don't want her here, that's good enough for me.


I don't know enough about the whole situation to make a balanced judgement. But someone said yesterday, imagine this scenario. A person from another country was in the UK. While in the UK that person's country decided they were a security risk. So they removed the person's citizenship to prevent them from going home. That would mean that that security risk (terrorist ?) was left for us to cope with.

In that scenario the British people would be up in arms saying their own country should take them back and sort them out.
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Shamima Begum on 12:17 - Feb 23 with 1102 viewsMixed_Kebab_No_Salad

Surely now that she’s bought a pair of asos sunglasses and a snapback all is forgotten. 😂
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Shamima Begum on 12:36 - Feb 23 with 1076 viewsJoesus_Of_Narbereth

Shamima Begum on 12:15 - Feb 23 by johnlangy

I don't know enough about the whole situation to make a balanced judgement. But someone said yesterday, imagine this scenario. A person from another country was in the UK. While in the UK that person's country decided they were a security risk. So they removed the person's citizenship to prevent them from going home. That would mean that that security risk (terrorist ?) was left for us to cope with.

In that scenario the British people would be up in arms saying their own country should take them back and sort them out.


We have been lumbered with hundreds of thousands of security risks in the last twenty years alone and more security risks are arriving every day.

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Shamima Begum on 13:15 - Feb 23 with 1054 viewscontroversial_jack

Shamima Begum on 12:06 - Feb 23 by Boundy

She was quite happy to watch others to do the deed and help in attaching suicide vests possibly to those who were forced to comply , but I see you're happy to ignore that detail , care to defend that little detail


She was 15, groomed traffiked abused and compelled to do it.
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Shamima Begum on 13:30 - Feb 23 with 1046 viewsBoundy

Shamima Begum on 13:15 - Feb 23 by controversial_jack

She was 15, groomed traffiked abused and compelled to do it.


So you keep saying and its becoming boring now

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Shamima Begum on 13:36 - Feb 23 with 1037 viewsTogg

Shamima Begum on 13:15 - Feb 23 by controversial_jack

She was 15, groomed traffiked abused and compelled to do it.


You've got your own mind at 15. No excuses. She not coming back. Lets move on and this is a lesson for any others who romanticise over joining a brutal Islamic caliphate or being a threat to our country.
My sympathy is with all the innocent people who died from this and similar organisations
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Shamima Begum on 13:39 - Feb 23 with 1037 viewsBoundy

Shamima Begum on 12:15 - Feb 23 by johnlangy

I don't know enough about the whole situation to make a balanced judgement. But someone said yesterday, imagine this scenario. A person from another country was in the UK. While in the UK that person's country decided they were a security risk. So they removed the person's citizenship to prevent them from going home. That would mean that that security risk (terrorist ?) was left for us to cope with.

In that scenario the British people would be up in arms saying their own country should take them back and sort them out.


You do realise that this isn't the first case of someone being stripped of their citizenship , shes not unique in anyway its just she's become a focus by the media (BBC no supprise there) , where was the outcry for the 464 people who've had been stripped of their citizenship since the law was relaxed 15 years ago
Home Office figures record 175 people being deprived of their citizenship on national security grounds, and 289 for fraud, since 2006. Before that, it had not happened since 1973.
Be thankful that we do have mechanism that when it works helps protect the citizens of this country againgst those who act againgst us .

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Shamima Begum on 14:27 - Feb 23 with 1011 viewsTreforys_Jack

Captain opposite is trying way too hard on this thread, he must be a parody poster.
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Shamima Begum on 17:29 - Feb 23 with 954 viewscontroversial_jack

Shamima Begum on 13:36 - Feb 23 by Togg

You've got your own mind at 15. No excuses. She not coming back. Lets move on and this is a lesson for any others who romanticise over joining a brutal Islamic caliphate or being a threat to our country.
My sympathy is with all the innocent people who died from this and similar organisations


You think 15 year olds are responsible adults under law? She hadn't even reached the age of consent.

Think carefully before you answer this?
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Shamima Begum on 17:46 - Feb 23 with 937 viewsJoesus_Of_Narbereth

Shamima Begum on 17:29 - Feb 23 by controversial_jack

You think 15 year olds are responsible adults under law? She hadn't even reached the age of consent.

Think carefully before you answer this?


What was the age of consent in ISIS controlled territory? I would imagine a 15 year old would be considered too old for many out there.

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Shamima Begum on 17:47 - Feb 23 with 937 viewsFlashberryjack

Shamima Begum on 17:29 - Feb 23 by controversial_jack

You think 15 year olds are responsible adults under law? She hadn't even reached the age of consent.

Think carefully before you answer this?


What is the age of consent in Syria ?

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Shamima Begum on 18:41 - Feb 23 with 916 viewsshingle

Shamima Begum on 13:15 - Feb 23 by controversial_jack

She was 15, groomed traffiked abused and compelled to do it.


So your now trying to get us to believe your a Parrot.
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Shamima Begum on 18:46 - Feb 23 with 913 viewstheloneranger

Shamima Begum on 17:47 - Feb 23 by Flashberryjack

What is the age of consent in Syria ?


15.

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Shamima Begum on 18:53 - Feb 23 with 900 viewsTogg

Shamima Begum on 17:29 - Feb 23 by controversial_jack

You think 15 year olds are responsible adults under law? She hadn't even reached the age of consent.

Think carefully before you answer this?


She went out to Syria with two other girls. Another was already out there. Were they forced? Very much doubt it. Wheres the evidence she was groomed? Yes of course they are responsible. Just look at the Bulger case. Those two boys paid the price with custodial sentences. They were far younger than this woman.
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Shamima Begum on 18:54 - Feb 23 with 895 viewsTogg

Shamima Begum on 14:27 - Feb 23 by Treforys_Jack

Captain opposite is trying way too hard on this thread, he must be a parody poster.


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Shamima Begum on 19:54 - Feb 23 with 874 viewsJoesus_Of_Narbereth

Shamima Begum on 18:53 - Feb 23 by Togg

She went out to Syria with two other girls. Another was already out there. Were they forced? Very much doubt it. Wheres the evidence she was groomed? Yes of course they are responsible. Just look at the Bulger case. Those two boys paid the price with custodial sentences. They were far younger than this woman.


Questions do need to be asked how three children can fly unaccompanied to a war torn country though.

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Shamima Begum on 20:37 - Feb 23 with 859 viewsTogg

Shamima Begum on 19:54 - Feb 23 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth

Questions do need to be asked how three children can fly unaccompanied to a war torn country though.


I believe they went via Turkey first.
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Shamima Begum on 22:02 - Feb 23 with 803 viewscontroversial_jack

Shamima Begum on 19:54 - Feb 23 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth

Questions do need to be asked how three children can fly unaccompanied to a war torn country though.


Judge said they couldn't have do it by themselves.

He said they were traficked.
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Shamima Begum on 05:59 - Feb 24 with 769 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Shamima Begum on 22:02 - Feb 23 by controversial_jack

Judge said they couldn't have do it by themselves.

He said they were traficked.


Perhaps she csn join Russian army.

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Shamima Begum on 10:50 - Feb 24 with 727 viewscontroversial_jack

Shamima Begum on 05:59 - Feb 24 by felixstowe_jack

Perhaps she csn join Russian army.


Perhaps you can join the Ukrainian army
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