| Cardiff Riots 06:48 - May 23 with 23010 views | 1983 |
Looks like the SWP had the balls to turn up at this riot.
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| Cardiff Riots on 18:10 - May 24 with 1845 views | onehunglow |
| Cardiff Riots on 17:29 - May 24 by SullutaCreturned |
You're not talking about competent cyclists though, you're talking about idiots on illegal e-bikes.
As always when this stuff happens, people blame the police but this is their job. I have criticised them for doing nothing at other times but I won't criticse them for this, apart from not being straight about it from the off.
Kids arent scared of the police anymore, they have no respect. it's shocking and we need a reset. |
Why should they be scared.
They are taught at school to distrust authority.This is the result .
Gone are the days of Chief Cons backing their officers .
That Dep CC Bacon seems typical of what the troops gave to put up with. |  |
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| Cardiff Riots on 18:15 - May 24 with 1838 views | controversial_jack |
| Cardiff Riots on 17:05 - May 24 by raynor94 |
Never ceases to amaze me how many things he gets wrong.
But fair play he has skin like a Rhino |
After saying the collision happened before the police attended, they have now admitted they were following the bikes. Do you think that's not a lie? | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 18:22 - May 24 with 1810 views | union_jack |
| Cardiff Riots on 18:15 - May 24 by controversial_jack |
After saying the collision happened before the police attended, they have now admitted they were following the bikes. Do you think that's not a lie? |
Anyone defending the victims and vilifying the police in this instance is a part of the law and order problems in this country! Two lives gone but they brought it on themselves. Sympathies with the friends and families. |  |
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| Cardiff Riots on 18:45 - May 24 with 1798 views | theloneranger |
Imagine how the bus driver must be feeling, after being involved in the crash with the bike!! |  |
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| Cardiff Riots on 18:46 - May 24 with 1797 views | KeithHaynes |
| Cardiff Riots on 20:28 - May 23 by SullutaCreturned |
What about the Mayhill riots, Keith?
The police backed off there and let the scumbags run wild. They were roundly condemned for that by pretty much everyone and even admitted they had failed the public, didn't they? |
I think people need to walk a mile and then have an opinion.
It doesn’t matter what anyone does in any dangerous situation there will always be differing opinions. Agendas especially. |  |
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| Cardiff Riots on 18:49 - May 24 with 1788 views | KeithHaynes |
| Cardiff Riots on 22:36 - May 23 by controversial_jack |
That’s exactly what they should do. A dozen pro active cops could have nicked a few of them.
If they aren’t prepared to do that, they are in the wrong job |
Your agenda is clouding your judgement. And your inexperience of understanding the effectiveness of superman capes in such conditions. | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 18:50 - May 24 with 1787 views | KeithHaynes |
| Cardiff Riots on 18:15 - May 24 by controversial_jack |
After saying the collision happened before the police attended, they have now admitted they were following the bikes. Do you think that's not a lie? |
Following. | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 18:51 - May 24 with 1783 views | raynor94 |
| Cardiff Riots on 18:15 - May 24 by controversial_jack |
After saying the collision happened before the police attended, they have now admitted they were following the bikes. Do you think that's not a lie? |
The collision did happen before the police arrived, they were on a different road, and attended after the crash.
Following is different to pursuing in my opinion |  |
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| Cardiff Riots on 20:25 - May 24 with 1725 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Cardiff Riots on 18:46 - May 24 by KeithHaynes |
I think people need to walk a mile and then have an opinion.
It doesn’t matter what anyone does in any dangerous situation there will always be differing opinions. Agendas especially. |
Ok, here a true story for you...
2 friends walking down riverside to the Swans, one of them is ill and using a walking stick. Suddently a man comes running towards them followed by 2 police and one shouts to stop him. The sick guy attempts to rugby tackle the fella (who was quite large) and succeeds in taking him down giving the police enough time to catch him.
And that is 100% true, would you say he was brave? Would you say it was public spirited and wouldn't you say if a member of the public can do that then the police who are paid to do that should just do it?
it's not like they are single handedly facing the mob. | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 21:04 - May 24 with 1697 views | felixstowe_jack |
New CCTV pictures confirm the police version they were following at a considerable distance and were not even close to be captured in the same shot. THE CCTV also shows the police van turning off the road the bike was on so had they given up following them.
No doubt all the people blaming the police will now admit their mistake and apologise. | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 21:07 - May 24 with 1681 views | onehunglow |
| Cardiff Riots on 21:04 - May 24 by felixstowe_jack |
New CCTV pictures confirm the police version they were following at a considerable distance and were not even close to be captured in the same shot. THE CCTV also shows the police van turning off the road the bike was on so had they given up following them.
No doubt all the people blaming the police will now admit their mistake and apologise. |
Anti police people will always blame the Police.
Without them,they have nothing .
Without them,we have nothing because anarchy takes all. | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 21:52 - May 24 with 1637 views | Whiterockin |
The original video on the BBC didn't help, it was speeded up and gave the impression the police were right behind the bike. When shown in real time there was a 14 second gap. It just shows how public opinion can be manipulated by the press. |  | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 21:57 - May 24 with 1627 views | Fireboy2 |
| Cardiff Riots on 21:52 - May 24 by Whiterockin |
The original video on the BBC didn't help, it was speeded up and gave the impression the police were right behind the bike. When shown in real time there was a 14 second gap. It just shows how public opinion can be manipulated by the press. |
And some people get hoodwinked by them, not the first time won't be the last. |  | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 22:06 - May 24 with 1626 views | majorraglan |
Two young lives lost. RIP
What’s happened has focus attention on the police response to potential illegal use of motorcycles / E bikes which is becoming more and more prevalent especially in places like London where we see criminals using mopeds to rob and steal.
The bike the boys were using can be road legal, but there are also models which are off road only. Not wishing to pre judge, but I suspect the 2 boys in the Cardiff case may have been riding illegally, no helmet, no insurance, no licence etc so what do we as a society expect the police to do when they witness illegal activity involving bikes or cars? Do we want them to take positive action or is it a case of looking the other way? If things go wrong do we or are we prepared to support the police or not? There’s people who have very strong views on this on both sides of the fence, and while now isn’t the time at some point society is going to have to have a conversation on this subject. | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 08:00 - May 25 with 1528 views | Whiterockin |
| Cardiff Riots on 22:06 - May 24 by majorraglan |
Two young lives lost. RIP
What’s happened has focus attention on the police response to potential illegal use of motorcycles / E bikes which is becoming more and more prevalent especially in places like London where we see criminals using mopeds to rob and steal.
The bike the boys were using can be road legal, but there are also models which are off road only. Not wishing to pre judge, but I suspect the 2 boys in the Cardiff case may have been riding illegally, no helmet, no insurance, no licence etc so what do we as a society expect the police to do when they witness illegal activity involving bikes or cars? Do we want them to take positive action or is it a case of looking the other way? If things go wrong do we or are we prepared to support the police or not? There’s people who have very strong views on this on both sides of the fence, and while now isn’t the time at some point society is going to have to have a conversation on this subject. |
Just for everyone's clarification regarding the rules on e bikes.
Electric bikes: licensing, tax and insurance
You can ride an electric bike if you’re 14 or over, as long as it meets certain requirements.
These electric bikes are known as ‘electrically assisted pedal cycles’ (EAPCs). You do not need a licence to ride one and it does not need to be registered, taxed or insured.
What counts as an EAPC
An EAPC must have pedals that can be used to propel it.
It must show either:
the power output
the manufacturer of the motor
It must also show either:
the battery’s voltage
the maximum speed of the bike
Its electric motor:
must have a maximum power output of 250 watts
should not be able to propel the bike when it’s travelling more than 15.5mph
An EAPC can have more than 2 wheels (for example, a tricycle).
Where you can ride
If a bike meets the EAPC requirements it’s classed as a normal pedal bike. This means you can ride it on cycle paths and anywhere else pedal bikes are allowed.
Other kinds of electric bike
Any electric bike that does not meet the EAPC rules is classed as a motorcycle or moped and needs to be registered and taxed. You’ll need a driving licence to ride one and you must wear a crash helmet.
Getting vehicle approval for your electric bike
An electric bike must be type approved if either:
it can be propelled without pedalling (a ‘twist and go’ EAPC)
it does not meet the EAPC rules
This should have been done by the manufacturer or importer before you bought it. If it’s been type approved, it will have a plate showing its type approval number. | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 08:15 - May 25 with 1518 views | controversial_jack |
| Cardiff Riots on 08:00 - May 25 by Whiterockin |
Just for everyone's clarification regarding the rules on e bikes.
Electric bikes: licensing, tax and insurance
You can ride an electric bike if you’re 14 or over, as long as it meets certain requirements.
These electric bikes are known as ‘electrically assisted pedal cycles’ (EAPCs). You do not need a licence to ride one and it does not need to be registered, taxed or insured.
What counts as an EAPC
An EAPC must have pedals that can be used to propel it.
It must show either:
the power output
the manufacturer of the motor
It must also show either:
the battery’s voltage
the maximum speed of the bike
Its electric motor:
must have a maximum power output of 250 watts
should not be able to propel the bike when it’s travelling more than 15.5mph
An EAPC can have more than 2 wheels (for example, a tricycle).
Where you can ride
If a bike meets the EAPC requirements it’s classed as a normal pedal bike. This means you can ride it on cycle paths and anywhere else pedal bikes are allowed.
Other kinds of electric bike
Any electric bike that does not meet the EAPC rules is classed as a motorcycle or moped and needs to be registered and taxed. You’ll need a driving licence to ride one and you must wear a crash helmet.
Getting vehicle approval for your electric bike
An electric bike must be type approved if either:
it can be propelled without pedalling (a ‘twist and go’ EAPC)
it does not meet the EAPC rules
This should have been done by the manufacturer or importer before you bought it. If it’s been type approved, it will have a plate showing its type approval number. |
Not sure why the police were following/ pursuing someone on a cycle | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 08:19 - May 25 with 1517 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Cardiff Riots on 08:15 - May 25 by controversial_jack |
Not sure why the police were following/ pursuing someone on a cycle |
That is because you are not very bright.
Two youths on a motorised vehicle. They unlikely to be either insured, licensed and committing several motoring offences.
We accept your apology though. [Post edited 25 May 2023 8:32]
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| Cardiff Riots on 08:30 - May 25 with 1503 views | majorraglan |
| Cardiff Riots on 08:00 - May 25 by Whiterockin |
Just for everyone's clarification regarding the rules on e bikes.
Electric bikes: licensing, tax and insurance
You can ride an electric bike if you’re 14 or over, as long as it meets certain requirements.
These electric bikes are known as ‘electrically assisted pedal cycles’ (EAPCs). You do not need a licence to ride one and it does not need to be registered, taxed or insured.
What counts as an EAPC
An EAPC must have pedals that can be used to propel it.
It must show either:
the power output
the manufacturer of the motor
It must also show either:
the battery’s voltage
the maximum speed of the bike
Its electric motor:
must have a maximum power output of 250 watts
should not be able to propel the bike when it’s travelling more than 15.5mph
An EAPC can have more than 2 wheels (for example, a tricycle).
Where you can ride
If a bike meets the EAPC requirements it’s classed as a normal pedal bike. This means you can ride it on cycle paths and anywhere else pedal bikes are allowed.
Other kinds of electric bike
Any electric bike that does not meet the EAPC rules is classed as a motorcycle or moped and needs to be registered and taxed. You’ll need a driving licence to ride one and you must wear a crash helmet.
Getting vehicle approval for your electric bike
An electric bike must be type approved if either:
it can be propelled without pedalling (a ‘twist and go’ EAPC)
it does not meet the EAPC rules
This should have been done by the manufacturer or importer before you bought it. If it’s been type approved, it will have a plate showing its type approval number. |
I read somewhere the kids were riding a Surron electric bike hitch I believe is a lot different to an electrically assisted pedal cycle.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?s | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 08:37 - May 25 with 1483 views | Whiterockin |
| Cardiff Riots on 08:30 - May 25 by majorraglan |
I read somewhere the kids were riding a Surron electric bike hitch I believe is a lot different to an electrically assisted pedal cycle.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?s |
Then the last 3 paragraphs are key. It shows the law regarding different classification of e bikes. They were clearly breaking the law IMO. | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 08:39 - May 25 with 1478 views | Boundy |
| Cardiff Riots on 08:15 - May 25 by controversial_jack |
Not sure why the police were following/ pursuing someone on a cycle |
As if that makes a difference  | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 09:03 - May 25 with 1465 views | onehunglow |
| Cardiff Riots on 08:15 - May 25 by controversial_jack |
Not sure why the police were following/ pursuing someone on a cycle |
You ever seen the damage thefts from the person causes by offenders on two wheels.
Sometimes,the Police are not to blame.
Now,over to the subject of parenting,or the lack of it. | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 09:33 - May 25 with 1442 views | controversial_jack |
| Cardiff Riots on 08:19 - May 25 by felixstowe_jack |
That is because you are not very bright.
Two youths on a motorised vehicle. They unlikely to be either insured, licensed and committing several motoring offences.
We accept your apology though. [Post edited 25 May 2023 8:32]
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It was an E cycle or so we are told, which has been explained to you is perfectly legal' It doesn't need insurance or a license. Yes, they were 2 up, but they were lads of 15 , we all did that. | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 09:36 - May 25 with 1434 views | controversial_jack |
| Cardiff Riots on 09:03 - May 25 by onehunglow |
You ever seen the damage thefts from the person causes by offenders on two wheels.
Sometimes,the Police are not to blame.
Now,over to the subject of parenting,or the lack of it. |
You are making a big assumption that they committed some kind of offence that caused damage or theft. Nothing has been mentioned about that
Bad parenting, Riding a cycle on the road. who didn't do that at 15? did you do it? If so, were your parents bad? | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 09:53 - May 25 with 1424 views | majorraglan |
| Cardiff Riots on 09:36 - May 25 by controversial_jack |
You are making a big assumption that they committed some kind of offence that caused damage or theft. Nothing has been mentioned about that
Bad parenting, Riding a cycle on the road. who didn't do that at 15? did you do it? If so, were your parents bad? |
I’ve not seen any reports referring to the. bike as an E pedal cycle, only an E bike. One of the newspapers (Daily Mirror) reported it spoke to friends and actually names the bike they were riding - it’s a Surron electric bike, which costs circa £5k and looks like scrabble bike. The road legal version does 30mph and the off road version 45 mph. Check it out.
A rider would require helmet, driving licence, insurance and tax to use one of these lawfully on a road. | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 10:06 - May 25 with 1418 views | controversial_jack |
| Cardiff Riots on 09:53 - May 25 by majorraglan |
I’ve not seen any reports referring to the. bike as an E pedal cycle, only an E bike. One of the newspapers (Daily Mirror) reported it spoke to friends and actually names the bike they were riding - it’s a Surron electric bike, which costs circa £5k and looks like scrabble bike. The road legal version does 30mph and the off road version 45 mph. Check it out.
A rider would require helmet, driving licence, insurance and tax to use one of these lawfully on a road. |
We don't know what bike it was, but it was going fast.
From the CCTV
The bike takes 17 frames to get across the shot — 0.68 seconds.
The distance it travels in the video is 8.5 metres.
This means the bike is travelling at about 28mph.
It is going at a similar speed to the police van.
The bike is 31 frames ahead of the vehicle, which is 1.24 seconds.
This means the van is about 15 metres behind the bike.
It looks like a police chase that went wrong. The question is, did the police initially lie? Eve witness accounts seem to suggest this could be the case | | | |
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