| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan 17:30 - Nov 2 with 4833 views | thomas65 |
Our fan base is split on Sheehan.
If we stick do things improve ?
If we twist no guarantee replacement will be better.
I am interested to know what is the Indy view on Sheehan as I’ve always respected your opinions.
Thanks
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| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 17:41 - Nov 2 with 3346 views | Whiterockin |
Stick for now. If there is no improvement by Christmas seriously concider his position, we left it to late with Williams. |  | | |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 18:06 - Nov 2 with 3300 views | johnlangy |
Against Charlton there were loads of misplaced passes, many terrible decisions when in great positions and a number of missed chances to score.
And in spite of that we were much better than a team who were in 6th place and who have only lost one game at home in the last 20 or so.
Which shows that Sheehan has got the tools to build a team good enough to at least have a good go at the play offs.
If he doesn't show that he can do that by the New Year he'll be off. | | | |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 18:15 - Nov 2 with 3282 views | KeithHaynes |
How do Thomas, stick for now.
No need for any rash decisions.
Although he’s still near to the precipice they won’t sack him for now, no plans to, not even a discussion for those making the decisions. |  |
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| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 18:15 - Nov 2 with 3282 views | jack247 |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 18:06 - Nov 2 by johnlangy |
Against Charlton there were loads of misplaced passes, many terrible decisions when in great positions and a number of missed chances to score.
And in spite of that we were much better than a team who were in 6th place and who have only lost one game at home in the last 20 or so.
Which shows that Sheehan has got the tools to build a team good enough to at least have a good go at the play offs.
If he doesn't show that he can do that by the New Year he'll be off. |
‘Number of missed chances to score’ is the key bit for me there.
Creating chances and missing them is a lot better than not creating chances, which is where we’ve been all season. If we keep creating like we did yesterday, the goals and the wins will come.
I’ve wanted him out after the QPR and Southampton games. Now he’s switched to a formation that gets more out of the players, I’m back on the fence | | | |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 19:02 - Nov 2 with 3223 views | union_jack |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 18:15 - Nov 2 by jack247 |
‘Number of missed chances to score’ is the key bit for me there.
Creating chances and missing them is a lot better than not creating chances, which is where we’ve been all season. If we keep creating like we did yesterday, the goals and the wins will come.
I’ve wanted him out after the QPR and Southampton games. Now he’s switched to a formation that gets more out of the players, I’m back on the fence |
Much the same regards Sheehan. There’s a glimmer of hope there after these last two games so let’s wait and see. Well we are going to have to whether we want to or not! |  |
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| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 19:03 - Nov 2 with 3203 views | Fireboy2 |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 18:15 - Nov 2 by jack247 |
‘Number of missed chances to score’ is the key bit for me there.
Creating chances and missing them is a lot better than not creating chances, which is where we’ve been all season. If we keep creating like we did yesterday, the goals and the wins will come.
I’ve wanted him out after the QPR and Southampton games. Now he’s switched to a formation that gets more out of the players, I’m back on the fence |
Great post, exactly how I feel. |  | | |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 19:33 - Nov 2 with 3159 views | onehunglow |
Ideally , we need a better coach . A more shrewd astute one
It’s not hate speech
Folks, we have the players
Great keeper
Galbraith Stam Widdell midfield
VIP up front
That’s not a bad core | |
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| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 21:19 - Nov 2 with 3086 views | wwcigne |
The Sheehan at the back end of last season yes ,the one we’re seeing so far this season,I’m not so sure , hopefully he’ll revert back to that way of playing and we’ll improve our 16th position because our squad is a lot better than last season and it’s been frustrating
It’s a tight competitive division and nobody is going to give you anything,so you have to go and take it ,we’ve been in positions this season to do that but he’s adopted an over cautious approach that has ended up costing us,
We’ll see what happens between now and Christmas,hopefully an upturn in tactics and results but regardless of what we think ,it’s the owners who will be watching closely | | | |
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| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 01:56 - Nov 3 with 2976 views | RichardO |
We have a number of key players missing from Sheehan's end of season team, Darling replaced by Burgess may seem a good replacement but they have different strengths and weaknesses. O'Brien replaced by either Galbraith or Stamenic, Galbraith is a great replacement but doesn't have the experience that O'Brien had, and Stamenic is a very different player has good feet but more languid, and rangy.
None of the players could be called direct replacement for the ones lost and Sheehan has struggled to fit them into the system that worked well last season, who would have though the likes of Franco would have been given time on the bench. On initial showings did Widell look up to pace with the Championship, not really but was he given time but if you did allow him more time who would he replace, Yalcouye again a young inexperienced player and a loanee ( a number of us would not like too many young loanees in the team at the expense of our own players) most probably the sending offis the best thing for him experience wise the Sheehan allowing room on the bench for Widell soon to be promoted I suspect,
Then there is Inoussa who for me should start every game but he was or is nursing and injury problem so maybe it is understandable that Eom is getting game time.
Then there is Vipotnik given the attacking players around him is that why he is getting goals and looks sharper is he as good a centre forward as Idah in terms of his hold up play and aerial nuisance value able to release speedy players into space, is Idah up to pace with the Championship yet. Cullen getting minutes to good effect against Notts Forest, both Key and Ronald replaced by Inoussa and Galbraith but the same outcome slow paced football.
Sheehan has had lots to try and sort out trying to fit players into last season formation but they are not the same players.
Last but not least we have Kalean Casey, how old is he, he was excellent in all three cup games he has played in and against Chalton he looked as if he belonged in the centre of defence , except getting caught out by the bouncing ball but who hasn't and inexperience often leads to mistakes.
So do we revert to three at the back releasing our woeful at defending, sometimes, fullbacks to become the attacking wingbacks they show an aptitude for and ditch our wingers who previously gave us width enabling them to get closer to the previously isolated centre forward.
Sheehan has lots of options to consider maybe too many but maybe the absences because of Yalcouye sending off, Vipotnik's injury, Stamenic regrettable family circumstances have helped Sheehan get a clearer picture of how best to utilise his "better" players.
Will mention Bobby Wales until he is given a run of games how is he ever going to show the promised performance he was bought for and the same for Parker who has rarely let us down in his first team performaces in the Championship where he had an assist as a winger and won a number of corners high up the pitch and look capable in his defensive roles in the cup games he appeared in and a good player to have as cover for Key.
A number of valuable loan players in but not at the expense of our players, will make an exemption for Casey because we are lacking a bit of pace in the centre halve positions. Happy to have Samuel-Smith as cover for Tymon, similarly
Benson, good to have good cover for positions within the squad but how long will we have them if they don't get game time does that tie Sheehan's hands somewhat? [Post edited 3 Nov 2:18]
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| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 07:30 - Nov 3 with 2869 views | Whiterockin |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 01:56 - Nov 3 by RichardO |
We have a number of key players missing from Sheehan's end of season team, Darling replaced by Burgess may seem a good replacement but they have different strengths and weaknesses. O'Brien replaced by either Galbraith or Stamenic, Galbraith is a great replacement but doesn't have the experience that O'Brien had, and Stamenic is a very different player has good feet but more languid, and rangy.
None of the players could be called direct replacement for the ones lost and Sheehan has struggled to fit them into the system that worked well last season, who would have though the likes of Franco would have been given time on the bench. On initial showings did Widell look up to pace with the Championship, not really but was he given time but if you did allow him more time who would he replace, Yalcouye again a young inexperienced player and a loanee ( a number of us would not like too many young loanees in the team at the expense of our own players) most probably the sending offis the best thing for him experience wise the Sheehan allowing room on the bench for Widell soon to be promoted I suspect,
Then there is Inoussa who for me should start every game but he was or is nursing and injury problem so maybe it is understandable that Eom is getting game time.
Then there is Vipotnik given the attacking players around him is that why he is getting goals and looks sharper is he as good a centre forward as Idah in terms of his hold up play and aerial nuisance value able to release speedy players into space, is Idah up to pace with the Championship yet. Cullen getting minutes to good effect against Notts Forest, both Key and Ronald replaced by Inoussa and Galbraith but the same outcome slow paced football.
Sheehan has had lots to try and sort out trying to fit players into last season formation but they are not the same players.
Last but not least we have Kalean Casey, how old is he, he was excellent in all three cup games he has played in and against Chalton he looked as if he belonged in the centre of defence , except getting caught out by the bouncing ball but who hasn't and inexperience often leads to mistakes.
So do we revert to three at the back releasing our woeful at defending, sometimes, fullbacks to become the attacking wingbacks they show an aptitude for and ditch our wingers who previously gave us width enabling them to get closer to the previously isolated centre forward.
Sheehan has lots of options to consider maybe too many but maybe the absences because of Yalcouye sending off, Vipotnik's injury, Stamenic regrettable family circumstances have helped Sheehan get a clearer picture of how best to utilise his "better" players.
Will mention Bobby Wales until he is given a run of games how is he ever going to show the promised performance he was bought for and the same for Parker who has rarely let us down in his first team performaces in the Championship where he had an assist as a winger and won a number of corners high up the pitch and look capable in his defensive roles in the cup games he appeared in and a good player to have as cover for Key.
A number of valuable loan players in but not at the expense of our players, will make an exemption for Casey because we are lacking a bit of pace in the centre halve positions. Happy to have Samuel-Smith as cover for Tymon, similarly
Benson, good to have good cover for positions within the squad but how long will we have them if they don't get game time does that tie Sheehan's hands somewhat? [Post edited 3 Nov 2:18]
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The test for Sheehan will be when Stamenic is available again, will he revert back to a four with Stamenic in front or stick with a 3/5 in my opinion our best shape. This decision could determine his future, get it wrong and fail to get results and he will be gone. | | | |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 07:50 - Nov 3 with 2829 views | swancity |
He came in at a difficult time in terms of our results then and has done a very good job ( overall ) with an excellent points per game ratio since he started. He’s inexperienced of course but he’s a thoughtful patient modest and likeable manager / coach.
The mere fact that his immediate future is even being talked about is I suppose more of an indication of today’s fickle world of football and it’s fan base who want to see immediate results without thinking slightly longer term.
We are doing quite well. There is always room to improve. But this is still Europes most competitive league. With lots of huge ambitious clubs. Staying there is the priority. Only twice in our history have we gone higher. We are Swansea not Arsenal. It’s about perspective too. | |
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| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 08:01 - Nov 3 with 2810 views | Dr_Winston |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 07:30 - Nov 3 by Whiterockin |
The test for Sheehan will be when Stamenic is available again, will he revert back to a four with Stamenic in front or stick with a 3/5 in my opinion our best shape. This decision could determine his future, get it wrong and fail to get results and he will be gone. |
Agree generally, although as I've been saying all season, for me it was more about the personnel than the formation.
A midfield three devoid of a "creative" player will inevitably lead to a less exciting product at the end of it. Widell has shown us what potentially lies down the road of actually trying to create chances instead of sitting tight and hoping that they come.
If, when Stamenic returns, we revert back to a flat midfield then Sheehan will have very few excuses for doing it. |  |
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| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 08:25 - Nov 3 with 2800 views | jack247 |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 07:50 - Nov 3 by swancity |
He came in at a difficult time in terms of our results then and has done a very good job ( overall ) with an excellent points per game ratio since he started. He’s inexperienced of course but he’s a thoughtful patient modest and likeable manager / coach.
The mere fact that his immediate future is even being talked about is I suppose more of an indication of today’s fickle world of football and it’s fan base who want to see immediate results without thinking slightly longer term.
We are doing quite well. There is always room to improve. But this is still Europes most competitive league. With lots of huge ambitious clubs. Staying there is the priority. Only twice in our history have we gone higher. We are Swansea not Arsenal. It’s about perspective too. |
We need to split this season and last season. He was phenomenal then, he’s underachieved since August. Judging him ‘since he’s been here’ is wrong IMO
As I’ve said above though, a few green shoots in the last two games, so I wouldn’t make any rash decisions at the moment | | | |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 08:58 - Nov 3 with 2758 views | swancity |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 08:25 - Nov 3 by jack247 |
We need to split this season and last season. He was phenomenal then, he’s underachieved since August. Judging him ‘since he’s been here’ is wrong IMO
As I’ve said above though, a few green shoots in the last two games, so I wouldn’t make any rash decisions at the moment |
Underachieved ? Says who ?
We have so many new players and almost always that will take time for them to gel. We have also lost some players from last season eg Darling and OBrien
And it’s plainly wrong to seperate last seasons results when looking at the managers position. He deserves huge praise and has brownie points from last season. We are doing ok.
I’m amazed that anyone is seriously considering change. By all means discuss team selection and tactics as that’s subjective anyway. And most of the know it alls are only wise with hindsight. Onehunglow being an example. Bless him. | |
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| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 09:08 - Nov 3 with 2749 views | jack247 |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 08:58 - Nov 3 by swancity |
Underachieved ? Says who ?
We have so many new players and almost always that will take time for them to gel. We have also lost some players from last season eg Darling and OBrien
And it’s plainly wrong to seperate last seasons results when looking at the managers position. He deserves huge praise and has brownie points from last season. We are doing ok.
I’m amazed that anyone is seriously considering change. By all means discuss team selection and tactics as that’s subjective anyway. And most of the know it alls are only wise with hindsight. Onehunglow being an example. Bless him. |
Wenger would still be at Arsenal if historical performance was as important as current.
He got the job based on what he did last season and so far this season he hasn’t got near that standard. How long is it valid for?
No knee jerk reactions when we look to be improving, but if he falls back into the trap of trying to get his best eleven individuals on the pitch rather than his best team, questions will be asked.
Both Martin and Duff changed formation, got immediate success, then reverted back to what they were doing before. I hope Sheehan resists the temptation when Stamenic and Yalcouye are back. | | | |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 09:15 - Nov 3 with 2733 views | Whiterockin |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 09:08 - Nov 3 by jack247 |
Wenger would still be at Arsenal if historical performance was as important as current.
He got the job based on what he did last season and so far this season he hasn’t got near that standard. How long is it valid for?
No knee jerk reactions when we look to be improving, but if he falls back into the trap of trying to get his best eleven individuals on the pitch rather than his best team, questions will be asked.
Both Martin and Duff changed formation, got immediate success, then reverted back to what they were doing before. I hope Sheehan resists the temptation when Stamenic and Yalcouye are back. |
Throw in Brendan Rogers, very successful with Celtic but it counts for nothing when only the present matters in real terms. [Post edited 3 Nov 9:18]
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| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 09:36 - Nov 3 with 2679 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 08:58 - Nov 3 by swancity |
Underachieved ? Says who ?
We have so many new players and almost always that will take time for them to gel. We have also lost some players from last season eg Darling and OBrien
And it’s plainly wrong to seperate last seasons results when looking at the managers position. He deserves huge praise and has brownie points from last season. We are doing ok.
I’m amazed that anyone is seriously considering change. By all means discuss team selection and tactics as that’s subjective anyway. And most of the know it alls are only wise with hindsight. Onehunglow being an example. Bless him. |
Says who ? Wind your neck in , bach
Still personal and unable to handle the views of others
You have a crush on Sheehan and will back him , publically , but in provate, do you ?
Well, do ya
Try again
I don’t need any blessings from the likes of you but thanks for the thought [Post edited 3 Nov 9:37]
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| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 15:20 - Nov 3 with 2491 views | swancity |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 09:15 - Nov 3 by Whiterockin |
Throw in Brendan Rogers, very successful with Celtic but it counts for nothing when only the present matters in real terms. [Post edited 3 Nov 9:18]
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Yes but what do you class as the “present ?”
The last one game, 3 games, 6 games , 12 games? If you take it literally we have four points from two games but that’s plainly silly isn’t it.
In Sheehans case he’s permitted a but of slack anyway for his superb handling of our difficult situation when he stepped in
But we aren’t doing too badly. A good run in the Carabao Cup too. Things can change in football quickly and they do. You do not follow the sheep and sack managers at the drop of a hat. You give them time, and plenty of it. | |
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| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 16:10 - Nov 3 with 2453 views | Swans9 |
Got to give him till the summer at least a top half finish will do. Look Zan the man fans going mad last season calling him slow with a bad touch now he a hero. | | | |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 16:14 - Nov 3 with 2450 views | Whiterockin |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 15:20 - Nov 3 by swancity |
Yes but what do you class as the “present ?”
The last one game, 3 games, 6 games , 12 games? If you take it literally we have four points from two games but that’s plainly silly isn’t it.
In Sheehans case he’s permitted a but of slack anyway for his superb handling of our difficult situation when he stepped in
But we aren’t doing too badly. A good run in the Carabao Cup too. Things can change in football quickly and they do. You do not follow the sheep and sack managers at the drop of a hat. You give them time, and plenty of it. |
As said give it until Christmas and see where we are. But we have two very tough games before the next international break, three points or more and he will have time, 2 points and it will be in the balance, one or none and the knives will be out, that's just how football works in the real world. The owners are ruthless and they backed the club in the summer if we don't get a decent return in the next two games we could well be bottom six, which is unacceptable. They will either blame the recruitment or Sheehan and it could go either way. I hope we win both and the 3/5 at the back is the way forward, but perform like we have until the next transfer window and there will be changes somewhere. | | | |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 17:05 - Nov 3 with 2382 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 15:20 - Nov 3 by swancity |
Yes but what do you class as the “present ?”
The last one game, 3 games, 6 games , 12 games? If you take it literally we have four points from two games but that’s plainly silly isn’t it.
In Sheehans case he’s permitted a but of slack anyway for his superb handling of our difficult situation when he stepped in
But we aren’t doing too badly. A good run in the Carabao Cup too. Things can change in football quickly and they do. You do not follow the sheep and sack managers at the drop of a hat. You give them time, and plenty of it. |
The Present is a gift
It’s The Now
And by the way they’re a great young band with JBGs lad a stand out lead guitarist
His dads a great guy | |
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| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 17:28 - Nov 3 with 2364 views | jack247 |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 15:20 - Nov 3 by swancity |
Yes but what do you class as the “present ?”
The last one game, 3 games, 6 games , 12 games? If you take it literally we have four points from two games but that’s plainly silly isn’t it.
In Sheehans case he’s permitted a but of slack anyway for his superb handling of our difficult situation when he stepped in
But we aren’t doing too badly. A good run in the Carabao Cup too. Things can change in football quickly and they do. You do not follow the sheep and sack managers at the drop of a hat. You give them time, and plenty of it. |
The season so far is reasonable surely?
He’s had 13 league games. He got the job in about the same number last season. | | | |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 17:44 - Nov 3 with 2322 views | Whiterockin |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 17:28 - Nov 3 by jack247 |
The season so far is reasonable surely?
He’s had 13 league games. He got the job in about the same number last season. |
Personally I feel that with Modric and Snoop Dogg coming on board the owners were expecting some momentum. Add in the summer investment and apparently we have a better squad this season than last season when we finished 11th, no I do not think the current position of 16th is reasonable or acceptable. Obviously things can change but I believe the owners were expecting a better season this year and a top 8 finish as a minimum. Only my opinion of course. | | | |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 19:06 - Nov 3 with 2228 views | jack247 |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 17:44 - Nov 3 by Whiterockin |
Personally I feel that with Modric and Snoop Dogg coming on board the owners were expecting some momentum. Add in the summer investment and apparently we have a better squad this season than last season when we finished 11th, no I do not think the current position of 16th is reasonable or acceptable. Obviously things can change but I believe the owners were expecting a better season this year and a top 8 finish as a minimum. Only my opinion of course. |
Badly written
I meant the season so far (13 games) is reasonable enough time to judge him.
Reading it back I can see it comes across as we’ve had a reasonable season so far. I think we’ve been seriously underwhelming to date, but have looked better in a different formation the last two games. | | | |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 19:54 - Nov 3 with 2152 views | pencoedjack |
| Swansea Indy view on Sheehan on 17:28 - Nov 3 by jack247 |
The season so far is reasonable surely?
He’s had 13 league games. He got the job in about the same number last season. |
Yep 5 points off the playoffs.
Stick for me although I do feel we are playing with the handbrake on which is frustrating |  | | |
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