| Shocking scenes in belfast 08:51 - Jun 9 with 15248 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Video doing the rounds of an African migrant attempting to behead a bloke in the street last night. Luckily some brave fellows were able to stop him in time although reports suggest serious injuries have been inflicted.
Not going to post it on here for obvious reasons but it’s bloody awful. |  |
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| Shocking scenes in belfast on 19:00 - Jun 11 with 1599 views | Gwyn737 |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 18:48 - Jun 11 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
One choice is to significantly slash benefits and force the lazy bone idle feckless Jeremy Kyle show scrounger generations who use the welfare system not as a safety net but as a lifestyle choice back into work. This will free up more money for the people who genuinely need help off the state who have genuine disability or illness and actually need it.
They choose not to do that though. |
This is incredibly important IMO.
I’m not downplaying the immigration issues, but it seems at the moment many see it as our only problem.
There are many other issues that need addressing but they’re being ignored. |  | | |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 19:07 - Jun 11 with 1595 views | Dr_Winston |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 17:19 - Jun 11 by Gwyn737 |
How do you think it will be successful?
Restore are promising to go the furthest. If that’s the will of the people they’ll be voted in. |
I didn't say that I think it would be successful. I said I could understand why a growing number of people will have no faith in the ballot box to solve the problem and would try alternate means.
For what it's worth I don't think it would be successful, but nor do I think that it would be easily extinguished either. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Shocking scenes in belfast on 19:16 - Jun 11 with 1563 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 19:00 - Jun 11 by Gwyn737 |
This is incredibly important IMO.
I’m not downplaying the immigration issues, but it seems at the moment many see it as our only problem.
There are many other issues that need addressing but they’re being ignored. |
Training and education is another one. It always staggers and astounds me that we have one of the best education systems in the world, some of the highest and most respected seats of learning in Oxford and Cambridge and several other top universities and yet we still always have massive skill gaps in vital fields like medicine, nursing, engineering etc. We have become so engorged endlessly suckling on the teat of cheap immigration that we are failing to train our own people for these skill gaps that are desperately needed.
We’ve got more people than ever who have degrees yet we can’t fill vital skill gaps? It’s an absolute failure of government for the last few decades. They should all be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. | |
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| Shocking scenes in belfast on 20:09 - Jun 11 with 1529 views | Scotia |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 18:48 - Jun 11 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
One choice is to significantly slash benefits and force the lazy bone idle feckless Jeremy Kyle show scrounger generations who use the welfare system not as a safety net but as a lifestyle choice back into work. This will free up more money for the people who genuinely need help off the state who have genuine disability or illness and actually need it.
They choose not to do that though. |
This is one of the reasons we're totally dependant on immigration. And we are.
We have to massively slash the welfare bill, but the fallout will be immense. To the point of destroying any party that introduces substantial cuts.
Mrs Scotia is a social worker and works with many people with far more disposable income than us and have never worked in their lives. Many of them can work but don't. They've become unemployable now, but they've been allowed to and millions are following them.
I have a friend who hasn't worked for years because his 4 sons apparently have additional needs, he fought hard for the diagnosis and got what he wanted. He's just had a lovely pay rise after the 2 child cap was lifted too.
For some insane reason it's possible to get state handouts when you already have £16k in the bank. I could go on with genuine first hand experiences
Of course the irony is that many of those planning to vote Reform/Restore are in the firing line. | | | |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 20:14 - Jun 11 with 1522 views | Scotia |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 18:05 - Jun 11 by shingle |
Starmer and his cronies are only interested in taking action against the reaction and not the cause even though they and the Tory government before them are the cause. |
Well they are.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art | | | |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 20:16 - Jun 11 with 1521 views | Scotia |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 17:56 - Jun 11 by shingle |
By voting against them you dimwit and if you think saying please will in anyway distract the fact you have been outed as a clueless bloke by not just me but many others on here than you are clearly mistaken. |
Do you know what majority means? | | | |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 01:57 - Jun 12 with 1452 views | Robbie |
Starmer is more concerned with hand wringing and blaming social media for a potential decapitaction on UK soil .
Is he looking at the root cause and acting on the problem at source , unlikely .
The French have dumped their baddies on our shores and laugh as we still throw millions at them on Channel control crossings , lets turn the other way and wave Bon Voyage .
Maybe Eire will have the same ideas and pass the buck again .
You got them so your problem now . | | | |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 09:52 - Jun 12 with 1387 views | controversial_jack |
This is a problem successive govts have been struggling with over the years. There's no quick fix, Numbers seem to be coming down , so hopefully an improvement if not a solution. Reform have no clue either, except for inflammatory rhetoric | | | |
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| Shocking scenes in belfast on 10:54 - Jun 12 with 1367 views | johnlangy |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 17:56 - Jun 11 by shingle |
By voting against them you dimwit and if you think saying please will in anyway distract the fact you have been outed as a clueless bloke by not just me but many others on here than you are clearly mistaken. |
Scotia asked this question.
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'You haven't explained anything.
Please tell me how Labour stopped any of Braverman's immigration policies. Off you go.'
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And you responded saying by voting against them you dimwit.
I haven't gone back to look for Braverman's policies that ended up being stopped but surely, if the Conservatives had a majority at the time even if all other MP's voted against, the policy would still have gone through.
So i'd also like to know how Labour did what you say. | | | |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 17:45 - Jun 12 with 1296 views | onehunglow |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 10:54 - Jun 12 by johnlangy |
Scotia asked this question.
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'You haven't explained anything.
Please tell me how Labour stopped any of Braverman's immigration policies. Off you go.'
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And you responded saying by voting against them you dimwit.
I haven't gone back to look for Braverman's policies that ended up being stopped but surely, if the Conservatives had a majority at the time even if all other MP's voted against, the policy would still have gone through.
So i'd also like to know how Labour did what you say. |
Allow me to intervene
This is not and should not be about party point scoring
This is the noted dregs of society having fun
And fin it is
Forget the pitiful and totally expected Sein Fein crap as it’s mainly Protestants rioting
Had it been catholics , Mary Lou would have a different narrative
This ain’t about immigration
It’s an excuse
He’ll , it’s almost King Billy Time
That said, we need migration stopped totally
Thank you please | |
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| Shocking scenes in belfast on 17:52 - Jun 12 with 1293 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 17:45 - Jun 12 by onehunglow |
Allow me to intervene
This is not and should not be about party point scoring
This is the noted dregs of society having fun
And fin it is
Forget the pitiful and totally expected Sein Fein crap as it’s mainly Protestants rioting
Had it been catholics , Mary Lou would have a different narrative
This ain’t about immigration
It’s an excuse
He’ll , it’s almost King Billy Time
That said, we need migration stopped totally
Thank you please |
Have to admit seeing Sinn Fein politicians stand up and say with a straight face “violence is never the answer” definitely raised an ironic smile on my face. | |
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| Shocking scenes in belfast on 18:17 - Jun 12 with 1278 views | shingle |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 10:54 - Jun 12 by johnlangy |
Scotia asked this question.
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'You haven't explained anything.
Please tell me how Labour stopped any of Braverman's immigration policies. Off you go.'
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And you responded saying by voting against them you dimwit.
I haven't gone back to look for Braverman's policies that ended up being stopped but surely, if the Conservatives had a majority at the time even if all other MP's voted against, the policy would still have gone through.
So i'd also like to know how Labour did what you say. |
Yes, both Labour and certain Conservative MPs voted against or actively opposed Suella Braverman's core policies, though they did so for completely different reasons and at different times.While the Labour Party opposed her hardline legislation from the left, a faction of fellow Tory MPs rebelled against her policies from the right, arguing they were not strict enough
Now i suggest you ask did the Tories and Labour stop Braveman from implementing her policies on Google and then simply AI it on the task bar for an even more detailed explanation. as I say she though maybe not Jenrick had good enough reasons for jumping ship [Post edited 12 Jun 18:24]
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| Shocking scenes in belfast on 19:05 - Jun 12 with 1255 views | AnotherJohn |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 18:17 - Jun 12 by shingle |
Yes, both Labour and certain Conservative MPs voted against or actively opposed Suella Braverman's core policies, though they did so for completely different reasons and at different times.While the Labour Party opposed her hardline legislation from the left, a faction of fellow Tory MPs rebelled against her policies from the right, arguing they were not strict enough
Now i suggest you ask did the Tories and Labour stop Braveman from implementing her policies on Google and then simply AI it on the task bar for an even more detailed explanation. as I say she though maybe not Jenrick had good enough reasons for jumping ship [Post edited 12 Jun 18:24]
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In the Tory Party the opposition wasn't just from the right. What made the Party unelectable was a large group of socially-liberal Tories, who in past times would have been labelled "wets". But yes, when this bunch lined up with the opposition parties it became very difficult to take a hard line on immigration. Certainly, Labour was not pushing for tougher policies. | | | |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 20:38 - Jun 12 with 1233 views | onehunglow |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 17:52 - Jun 12 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Have to admit seeing Sinn Fein politicians stand up and say with a straight face “violence is never the answer” definitely raised an ironic smile on my face. |
This bleached blonde worshipper of murderong bastards is without doubt the most brazen on British politics
And she is a politician in the British system | |
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| Shocking scenes in belfast on 02:00 - Jun 13 with 1168 views | Robbie |
Starmer even by his nonsense promises vowed to Smash the Gangs in his manifesto .
That has worked our well so far with the rubber boats now having an escorted voyage into Blighty courtesy of the coastguard .
Agreed The Tories were just as usless controlling illegal immigrants and gave up on controls .
But brave statements as uttered by Starmer and again another failure to govern will still be seen as as ammuntion for Reform .
The Belfast horrors will alienate Labour even more on the immigration farce. | | | |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 10:00 - Jun 13 with 1095 views | union_jack |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 02:00 - Jun 13 by Robbie |
Starmer even by his nonsense promises vowed to Smash the Gangs in his manifesto .
That has worked our well so far with the rubber boats now having an escorted voyage into Blighty courtesy of the coastguard .
Agreed The Tories were just as usless controlling illegal immigrants and gave up on controls .
But brave statements as uttered by Starmer and again another failure to govern will still be seen as as ammuntion for Reform .
The Belfast horrors will alienate Labour even more on the immigration farce. |
If the Tories were that culpable, and they were, then it was a perfect way for Starmer to show how good they are by tackling a major problem. Instead of that, he just attempts to make political capital by saying ‘look what the Tories did’ rather than tackling it. And that is starting to backfire. He’s a weasel. |  |
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| Shocking scenes in belfast on 10:02 - Jun 13 with 1092 views | johnlangy |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 18:17 - Jun 12 by shingle |
Yes, both Labour and certain Conservative MPs voted against or actively opposed Suella Braverman's core policies, though they did so for completely different reasons and at different times.While the Labour Party opposed her hardline legislation from the left, a faction of fellow Tory MPs rebelled against her policies from the right, arguing they were not strict enough
Now i suggest you ask did the Tories and Labour stop Braveman from implementing her policies on Google and then simply AI it on the task bar for an even more detailed explanation. as I say she though maybe not Jenrick had good enough reasons for jumping ship [Post edited 12 Jun 18:24]
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Thank you shingle for the response.
I did a bit of a search. Not much i'll admit. But one thing I came across was about her 'Illegal Migration Act' which actually was passed into law in 2023, ie not blocked by Labour or anyone. She pledged at the time that her act would stop the boats. She pushed this one through after Priti Patel's previous effort failed. She said "This government, this Prime Minister, will act now to stop the boats."
Since then almost 101,000 people have crossed the channel on small boats.
So she failed dismally. | | | |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 10:06 - Jun 13 with 1089 views | union_jack |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 10:02 - Jun 13 by johnlangy |
Thank you shingle for the response.
I did a bit of a search. Not much i'll admit. But one thing I came across was about her 'Illegal Migration Act' which actually was passed into law in 2023, ie not blocked by Labour or anyone. She pledged at the time that her act would stop the boats. She pushed this one through after Priti Patel's previous effort failed. She said "This government, this Prime Minister, will act now to stop the boats."
Since then almost 101,000 people have crossed the channel on small boats.
So she failed dismally. |
And what is the current government doing about it John other than blaming the previous government. | |
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| Shocking scenes in belfast on 10:14 - Jun 13 with 1079 views | AnotherJohn |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 10:06 - Jun 13 by union_jack |
And what is the current government doing about it John other than blaming the previous government. |
The answer to your question is that the present government has watered down some of the tougher aspects of the 2023 Act through the Illegal Migration Act 2023 (Amendment) Regulations, 2024.
I am too lazy to write this up myself so here is an AI summary.
What Labour changed in the Illegal Migration Act 2023
These amendments significantly weaken or delay core parts of the original Act. The most important changes are:
1. Section 2 – Duty to Remove: commencement rule changed
The original Act tied the duty to remove to “the day on which this Act is passed” (20 July 2023). Labour amended this so that the duty applies only from the day the section actually comes into force for a person. This prevents the retrospective application that would have automatically captured anyone arriving after July 2023.
2. Section 6 – Removal powers: commencement rule changed
Similar amendment: references to the Act’s passing date were replaced with the date the section comes into force for the individual.
3. Section 5 – Disregard of claims: subsection (7) removed
Labour removed the rule that forced certain claims made after the Act’s passage to be disregarded.
4. Section 6 – Subsection (12) removed
This removed another provision disregarding claims made after the Act’s passage.
5. Section 22 – Modern slavery restrictions eased
Labour removed subsections (8)–(10), which revoked leave granted to trafficking victims after 7 March 2023.
6. Section 28 – Amendment to Nationality and Borders Act reversed
Subsection (12), which amended section 65 of the Nationality and Borders Act 2022, was removed.
7. Section 30 – Ban on settlement/leave delayed
Labour removed subsections (4)–(7), which would have prevented anyone arriving illegally after 7 March 2023 from ever obtaining leave to remain or citizenship. This change means these prohibitions will not take effect until Section 2 is commenced, effectively suspending them.
What these amendments mean in practice
According to legal analysis, the Labour amendments have:
Lifted the ban on processing asylum claims made after July 2023.
Restored access to leave to remain and citizenship routes for people who entered irregularly.
Prevented retrospective application of the duty to remove.
Signalled a shift away from the previous government’s deterrence model, alongside Labour’s commitment not to use the Rwanda scheme. [Post edited 13 Jun 10:20]
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| Shocking scenes in belfast on 12:02 - Jun 13 with 1037 views | Gwyn737 |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 10:14 - Jun 13 by AnotherJohn |
The answer to your question is that the present government has watered down some of the tougher aspects of the 2023 Act through the Illegal Migration Act 2023 (Amendment) Regulations, 2024.
I am too lazy to write this up myself so here is an AI summary.
What Labour changed in the Illegal Migration Act 2023
These amendments significantly weaken or delay core parts of the original Act. The most important changes are:
1. Section 2 – Duty to Remove: commencement rule changed
The original Act tied the duty to remove to “the day on which this Act is passed” (20 July 2023). Labour amended this so that the duty applies only from the day the section actually comes into force for a person. This prevents the retrospective application that would have automatically captured anyone arriving after July 2023.
2. Section 6 – Removal powers: commencement rule changed
Similar amendment: references to the Act’s passing date were replaced with the date the section comes into force for the individual.
3. Section 5 – Disregard of claims: subsection (7) removed
Labour removed the rule that forced certain claims made after the Act’s passage to be disregarded.
4. Section 6 – Subsection (12) removed
This removed another provision disregarding claims made after the Act’s passage.
5. Section 22 – Modern slavery restrictions eased
Labour removed subsections (8)–(10), which revoked leave granted to trafficking victims after 7 March 2023.
6. Section 28 – Amendment to Nationality and Borders Act reversed
Subsection (12), which amended section 65 of the Nationality and Borders Act 2022, was removed.
7. Section 30 – Ban on settlement/leave delayed
Labour removed subsections (4)–(7), which would have prevented anyone arriving illegally after 7 March 2023 from ever obtaining leave to remain or citizenship. This change means these prohibitions will not take effect until Section 2 is commenced, effectively suspending them.
What these amendments mean in practice
According to legal analysis, the Labour amendments have:
Lifted the ban on processing asylum claims made after July 2023.
Restored access to leave to remain and citizenship routes for people who entered irregularly.
Prevented retrospective application of the duty to remove.
Signalled a shift away from the previous government’s deterrence model, alongside Labour’s commitment not to use the Rwanda scheme. [Post edited 13 Jun 10:20]
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Without wanting to get in a AI back and forth, government successes:
Highest Deportation Figures in Years: Between mid-2024 and mid-2025, the government returned over 35,000 people with no legal right to stay in the UK. This represented a 28% increase in returns of failed asylum seekers and a 13% increase in overall returns compared to the previous year.
Immigration Enforcement Surge: Since taking office, the government has carried out 2,682 targeted raids to detain and remove illegal migrants—a 16% increase in operational activity compared to the final 21 months of the previous administration.
Targeting the Common Travel Area (CTA): Through the intelligence-led Operation Gull at domestic air and sea ports, law enforcement detected over 900 immigration offenders in a single year attempting to circumvent border rules between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland.
Border Security Command (BSC): Labour immediately established and funded the Border Security Command with £150 million to integrate the efforts of the Border Force, National Crime Agency (NCA), and international intelligence partners.
Counter-Terrorism Style Powers: Through the Border Security, Asylum and Immigration Bill, the government introduced landmark legislation creating new criminal offences for the supply, transportation, or possession of small boat parts (like hulls and engines), treating people-smuggling networks with severity akin to terrorism.
Asylum Backlog & Hotel Reductions: By doubling decision-making speeds and increasing caseworkers, the government cleared large sections of the inherited initial asylum backlog. By early 2026, the number of asylum seekers living in taxpayer-funded hotels was reduced to roughly 21,000—about one-third lower than its peak.
The UK-France Pilot Treaty: Prime Minister Keir Starmer negotiated a groundbreaking partnership with France where small boat arrivals can face immediate detention and return to France, balanced by an equal number of documented refugees entering via strict legal channels.
Global Supply Disruption: The UK secured formal border security and data-sharing agreements with Germany, Iraq, Slovakia, Slovenia, and the Kurdistan region to seize migrant boat components at the source and disrupt transnational human trafficking finance structures. | | | |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 13:15 - Jun 13 with 1007 views | AnotherJohn |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 12:02 - Jun 13 by Gwyn737 |
Without wanting to get in a AI back and forth, government successes:
Highest Deportation Figures in Years: Between mid-2024 and mid-2025, the government returned over 35,000 people with no legal right to stay in the UK. This represented a 28% increase in returns of failed asylum seekers and a 13% increase in overall returns compared to the previous year.
Immigration Enforcement Surge: Since taking office, the government has carried out 2,682 targeted raids to detain and remove illegal migrants—a 16% increase in operational activity compared to the final 21 months of the previous administration.
Targeting the Common Travel Area (CTA): Through the intelligence-led Operation Gull at domestic air and sea ports, law enforcement detected over 900 immigration offenders in a single year attempting to circumvent border rules between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland.
Border Security Command (BSC): Labour immediately established and funded the Border Security Command with £150 million to integrate the efforts of the Border Force, National Crime Agency (NCA), and international intelligence partners.
Counter-Terrorism Style Powers: Through the Border Security, Asylum and Immigration Bill, the government introduced landmark legislation creating new criminal offences for the supply, transportation, or possession of small boat parts (like hulls and engines), treating people-smuggling networks with severity akin to terrorism.
Asylum Backlog & Hotel Reductions: By doubling decision-making speeds and increasing caseworkers, the government cleared large sections of the inherited initial asylum backlog. By early 2026, the number of asylum seekers living in taxpayer-funded hotels was reduced to roughly 21,000—about one-third lower than its peak.
The UK-France Pilot Treaty: Prime Minister Keir Starmer negotiated a groundbreaking partnership with France where small boat arrivals can face immediate detention and return to France, balanced by an equal number of documented refugees entering via strict legal channels.
Global Supply Disruption: The UK secured formal border security and data-sharing agreements with Germany, Iraq, Slovakia, Slovenia, and the Kurdistan region to seize migrant boat components at the source and disrupt transnational human trafficking finance structures. |
My answer was a response to John Langy's post about the 2023 Act. I was aware of the Amendment Regulations but just used AI as a quick way to save me having to recall all the changes.
I could have added that Labour backbenchers did not like the new offence of Illegal arrival created by the Nationality and Borders Act 2022. The Labour Government weakened certain mechanisms that supported use of that offence, but did not repeal the offence itself.
Some of your points are dodgy. Most of the returns are voluntary returns (with cash incentives paid) . Deportations is an official category and only a small subcategory of all returns.
The CTA point is totally unconvincing, which has been highlighted by the recent Belfast knife attack offender who used that route to enter NI. It has emerged that only one migrant who entered the UK by that CTA route has ever been returned to the RoI. The allegation is that the Garda Siochana do monitor the border from their side as was evidenced by the return to NI of several migrants crossing into the RoI as they exited in fear of Rwanda, but the UK does not do routine checks. I'm surprised that you haven't noticed that Ministers interviewed by the media this week have said they may look at this.
Re the deal with France, see the other thread for an insight into how that is going. [Post edited 13 Jun 13:53]
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| Shocking scenes in belfast on 19:04 - Jun 13 with 944 views | Scotia |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 10:02 - Jun 13 by johnlangy |
Thank you shingle for the response.
I did a bit of a search. Not much i'll admit. But one thing I came across was about her 'Illegal Migration Act' which actually was passed into law in 2023, ie not blocked by Labour or anyone. She pledged at the time that her act would stop the boats. She pushed this one through after Priti Patel's previous effort failed. She said "This government, this Prime Minister, will act now to stop the boats."
Since then almost 101,000 people have crossed the channel on small boats.
So she failed dismally. |
Shingle is wrong.
https://news.sky.com/story/how https://news.sky.com/story/how
Her schemes were implemented but didn't work. | | | |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 19:27 - Jun 13 with 933 views | union_jack |
This thread has reminded me of a past poster. What happened to Belfast Jack? Ex army I think?? | |
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| Shocking scenes in belfast on 21:38 - Jun 13 with 884 views | Demitrius |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 19:27 - Jun 13 by union_jack |
This thread has reminded me of a past poster. What happened to Belfast Jack? Ex army I think?? |
Sibling of this site's Guvn'r I think ?
Apologies if wrong !
Lots of ex-posters missing in action across both sites - the more the merrier - life's rich pageant and all that...  |  |
| “Cunnilingus and Psychiatry brought us to this …” |
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| Shocking scenes in belfast on 22:33 - Jun 13 with 854 views | union_jack |
| Shocking scenes in belfast on 21:38 - Jun 13 by Demitrius |
Sibling of this site's Guvn'r I think ?
Apologies if wrong !
Lots of ex-posters missing in action across both sites - the more the merrier - life's rich pageant and all that... |
Is that so? I didn’t know that. He used to mention his brother a lot.
Many missed you’re right. Many I’d never want on here either. | |
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