| Extended families and the UK's open border 09:27 - Jul 16 with 19009 views | AnotherJohn |
We saw the story last week about the migrant care worker who managed to get visas for 15 dependents. The latest tale concerns the Palestinian refugee whom a UK court ruled should be allowed to be reunited with 18 extended family members because of the mental pain of being parted from them. This case was brought under the EHCR 'right to a family life' provision. The pressure cooker is going to go bang soon if this continues.
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 08:31 - Jul 27 with 1910 views | onehunglow |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 08:11 - Jul 27 by Scotia |
But the population of Wales is only increasing by about 0.5% a year, potentially even less than that now.
There is a lack of supply but a lot of that is down to second homes, holiday lets, vacant properties and developers banking land. There should be a massive development being built right now between Llangyfelach and Penllegaer, I think about 1500 homes should already have been completed. The developer has broken ground to secure long term planning and hasn't laid a brick, they're waiting for the economy to improve, 30% of that is social housing.
Immigrants generally live where others don't want to. It's partly where the replacement conspiracy theories come from. If you wanted a flat in Dyfatty with junkies and sex offenders as neighbours you could have one straight away, immigrants don't turn them down, Brits do. |
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Come back mun
Simply not true
They risk their lives just to get on British soil
Then stick together | |
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 08:47 - Jul 27 with 1860 views | Scotia |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 08:31 - Jul 27 by onehunglow |
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Come back mun
Simply not true
They risk their lives just to get on British soil
Then stick together |
Less than 5% of immigrants risk their lives to get here. | | | |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 09:31 - Jul 27 with 1824 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
I think in order to move to this country (or any country) you should need to prove you have the means to support yourself. Whether that’s in existing wealth or in a valuable skill/qualification. There’s absolutely no reason for us to throw open the gates and allow any old Tom dick and Harry to just rock up and demand to be looked after. We have enough of our own problems already. |  |
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 09:43 - Jul 27 with 1813 views | onehunglow |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 09:31 - Jul 27 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
I think in order to move to this country (or any country) you should need to prove you have the means to support yourself. Whether that’s in existing wealth or in a valuable skill/qualification. There’s absolutely no reason for us to throw open the gates and allow any old Tom dick and Harry to just rock up and demand to be looked after. We have enough of our own problems already. |
People deny the truth as they can’t deal with it
It applies to all | |
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 09:49 - Jul 27 with 1809 views | Boundy |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 08:47 - Jul 27 by Scotia |
Less than 5% of immigrants risk their lives to get here. |
5% of what ? | |
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 09:54 - Jul 27 with 1802 views | onehunglow |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 08:47 - Jul 27 by Scotia |
Less than 5% of immigrants risk their lives to get here. |
Percentages
Is that what we’ve come to ?
Why are ANY allowed
1% is too much | |
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 10:20 - Jul 27 with 1788 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 08:47 - Jul 27 by Scotia |
Less than 5% of immigrants risk their lives to get here. |
Some fly in on RyanAir so that figure is probably a lot higher. | |
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 10:29 - Jul 27 with 1780 views | Boundy |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 09:54 - Jul 27 by onehunglow |
Percentages
Is that what we’ve come to ?
Why are ANY allowed
1% is too much |
Someone mentioned progressive posters which if I absorbed correctly means those who think the onoing influx of illegals is ok then maybe they may not or chose to ignore the fact that armed police were patrolling Swansea promenade during the weekends airshow whilst trying to negotiate past the 2 tonne concrete blocks placed in the hope they would prevent a terrorist attack on families or when visiting Neath in some parts you have to drive through cicanes build from 1 tonne builders bags filled with what ever .If this is progress than god help us because of these sort of preventative measures will now become part of our daily existence
https://www.protectuk.police.u [Post edited 27 Jul 10:29]
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 10:39 - Jul 27 with 1756 views | Scotia |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 09:49 - Jul 27 by Boundy |
5% of what ? |
Immigrants. | | | |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 10:41 - Jul 27 with 1764 views | onehunglow |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 10:29 - Jul 27 by Boundy |
Someone mentioned progressive posters which if I absorbed correctly means those who think the onoing influx of illegals is ok then maybe they may not or chose to ignore the fact that armed police were patrolling Swansea promenade during the weekends airshow whilst trying to negotiate past the 2 tonne concrete blocks placed in the hope they would prevent a terrorist attack on families or when visiting Neath in some parts you have to drive through cicanes build from 1 tonne builders bags filled with what ever .If this is progress than god help us because of these sort of preventative measures will now become part of our daily existence
https://www.protectuk.police.u [Post edited 27 Jul 10:29]
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As a society , we are cowards and ignore reality as it’s difficult
It’s why some want to legalise drugs believing that’s the way forward and to be responsible when taking dope
Drugs are the bottom line of our problems
It underpins everything but we won’t face up to it and do everything to make out it’s not happening
Migrants are chancers with nothing to lose coming from countries where life is cheap
Their values reflect that
A land of sanctuary
Make them valid
Welcomed even
There ya go | |
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 11:00 - Jul 27 with 1751 views | Boundy |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 10:20 - Jul 27 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Some fly in on RyanAir so that figure is probably a lot higher. |
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 11:01 - Jul 27 with 1750 views | Boundy |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 10:39 - Jul 27 by Scotia |
Immigrants. |
illegal ? | |
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 11:23 - Jul 27 with 1727 views | onehunglow |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 11:00 - Jul 27 by Boundy |
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Ryanair !
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 12:18 - Jul 27 with 1675 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 10:29 - Jul 27 by Boundy |
Someone mentioned progressive posters which if I absorbed correctly means those who think the onoing influx of illegals is ok then maybe they may not or chose to ignore the fact that armed police were patrolling Swansea promenade during the weekends airshow whilst trying to negotiate past the 2 tonne concrete blocks placed in the hope they would prevent a terrorist attack on families or when visiting Neath in some parts you have to drive through cicanes build from 1 tonne builders bags filled with what ever .If this is progress than god help us because of these sort of preventative measures will now become part of our daily existence
https://www.protectuk.police.u [Post edited 27 Jul 10:29]
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I’m trying to rack my brains as to when these concrete bollards appeared at these events? There was a lot of genuine threat from the IRA in the 70’s and 80’s. Did we have them then? I was too young at the time but I don’t remember them being around for the 90’s at least. | |
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 12:34 - Jul 27 with 1666 views | AnotherJohn |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 08:31 - Jul 27 by onehunglow |
Last paragraph
Come back mun
Simply not true
They risk their lives just to get on British soil
Then stick together |
The big picture is that well over 15 million persons from other countries have entered the UK for an extended stay since 2000. Some of these, together with some natives, have since left, meaning that the population has risen by just over 10 million in this same period, with the rise driven almost solely by immigration. To say that this has had no impact on housing demand is (to put it mildly) implausible, I admit it is a long time since, I studied economics as part of my UG degree, but at that time the laws of supply and demand still applied. | | | |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 13:40 - Jul 27 with 1617 views | Scotia |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 11:01 - Jul 27 by Boundy |
illegal ? |
5% of immigrants arrive on boats. 95% don't. | | | |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 13:45 - Jul 27 with 1613 views | Scotia |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 10:29 - Jul 27 by Boundy |
Someone mentioned progressive posters which if I absorbed correctly means those who think the onoing influx of illegals is ok then maybe they may not or chose to ignore the fact that armed police were patrolling Swansea promenade during the weekends airshow whilst trying to negotiate past the 2 tonne concrete blocks placed in the hope they would prevent a terrorist attack on families or when visiting Neath in some parts you have to drive through cicanes build from 1 tonne builders bags filled with what ever .If this is progress than god help us because of these sort of preventative measures will now become part of our daily existence
https://www.protectuk.police.u [Post edited 27 Jul 10:29]
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Some may say I'm liberal. I don't think immigration in its current form is ok.
Prevention of terrorism is a different thing altogether.. | | | |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 14:23 - Jul 27 with 1605 views | Boundy |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 12:18 - Jul 27 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
I’m trying to rack my brains as to when these concrete bollards appeared at these events? There was a lot of genuine threat from the IRA in the 70’s and 80’s. Did we have them then? I was too young at the time but I don’t remember them being around for the 90’s at least. |
I can vidly recall the media warning of bomb threats and to act accordingly but this mowing down of innocents is a relatively new phenomenon. Strangely coincidental around the time of Blair’s governmental tenure.Some think that although there is a very small proportion of persons of different backgrounds to us normal folk how many attacks are we supposed to accept as now the norm . I see there’s been another attack this morning in Paris , and so it continues . | |
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 14:28 - Jul 27 with 1596 views | Boundy |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 13:45 - Jul 27 by Scotia |
Some may say I'm liberal. I don't think immigration in its current form is ok.
Prevention of terrorism is a different thing altogether.. |
You call yourself that along with centre so in my experience that must be confusing for you .Not sure why you consider terrorism as being not linked to immigration. Even during the troubles we were dealing with people who believed they were not of the UK and yet they lived amongst us. | |
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 14:31 - Jul 27 with 1590 views | Scotia |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 14:23 - Jul 27 by Boundy |
I can vidly recall the media warning of bomb threats and to act accordingly but this mowing down of innocents is a relatively new phenomenon. Strangely coincidental around the time of Blair’s governmental tenure.Some think that although there is a very small proportion of persons of different backgrounds to us normal folk how many attacks are we supposed to accept as now the norm . I see there’s been another attack this morning in Paris , and so it continues . |
The first major ramming attack was in Nice in 2016. The first one in the UK was committed by a Welsh man on Muslims.
But, yes obviously Blairs fault. [Post edited 27 Jul 14:38]
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 15:34 - Jul 27 with 1567 views | onehunglow |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 13:45 - Jul 27 by Scotia |
Some may say I'm liberal. I don't think immigration in its current form is ok.
Prevention of terrorism is a different thing altogether.. |
Why do you think we go through border patrols, police checks, EES and passport control ?
Terrorism is as defined
Terror | |
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 16:59 - Jul 27 with 1526 views | Gwyn737 |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 12:34 - Jul 27 by AnotherJohn |
The big picture is that well over 15 million persons from other countries have entered the UK for an extended stay since 2000. Some of these, together with some natives, have since left, meaning that the population has risen by just over 10 million in this same period, with the rise driven almost solely by immigration. To say that this has had no impact on housing demand is (to put it mildly) implausible, I admit it is a long time since, I studied economics as part of my UG degree, but at that time the laws of supply and demand still applied. |
Of course it’s had an impact.
However, Germany have had a similar net take since 2000 and the house price increase has been about 80% and the UK’s has been about 250%.
We talk so much about immigration we’re not talking about other factors. | | | |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 17:03 - Jul 27 with 1524 views | Gwyn737 |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 10:29 - Jul 27 by Boundy |
Someone mentioned progressive posters which if I absorbed correctly means those who think the onoing influx of illegals is ok then maybe they may not or chose to ignore the fact that armed police were patrolling Swansea promenade during the weekends airshow whilst trying to negotiate past the 2 tonne concrete blocks placed in the hope they would prevent a terrorist attack on families or when visiting Neath in some parts you have to drive through cicanes build from 1 tonne builders bags filled with what ever .If this is progress than god help us because of these sort of preventative measures will now become part of our daily existence
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I don’t think any progressive posters have ever been in support of of either illegal immigration, despite being constantly told they are. | | | |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 19:24 - Jul 27 with 1458 views | Boundy |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 17:03 - Jul 27 by Gwyn737 |
I don’t think any progressive posters have ever been in support of of either illegal immigration, despite being constantly told they are. |
Could you define what a progressive poster is ? I'd be interested to know what your definition would be. | |
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 19:50 - Jul 27 with 1442 views | Scotia |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 12:34 - Jul 27 by AnotherJohn |
The big picture is that well over 15 million persons from other countries have entered the UK for an extended stay since 2000. Some of these, together with some natives, have since left, meaning that the population has risen by just over 10 million in this same period, with the rise driven almost solely by immigration. To say that this has had no impact on housing demand is (to put it mildly) implausible, I admit it is a long time since, I studied economics as part of my UG degree, but at that time the laws of supply and demand still applied. |
The population of Wales has only increased by around 0.6% per annum in recent years. Supply and demand isn't impacted to a significant degree by immigration.
At a local level I'd bet there is sufficient accomodation either completed or with planning permission to be completed in Swansea to account for this increase. | | | |
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