| Extended families and the UK's open border 09:27 - Jul 16 with 18978 views | AnotherJohn |
We saw the story last week about the migrant care worker who managed to get visas for 15 dependents. The latest tale concerns the Palestinian refugee whom a UK court ruled should be allowed to be reunited with 18 extended family members because of the mental pain of being parted from them. This case was brought under the EHCR 'right to a family life' provision. The pressure cooker is going to go bang soon if this continues.
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 20:28 - Jul 27 with 1975 views | onehunglow |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 19:50 - Jul 27 by Scotia |
The population of Wales has only increased by around 0.6% per annum in recent years. Supply and demand isn't impacted to a significant degree by immigration.
At a local level I'd bet there is sufficient accomodation either completed or with planning permission to be completed in Swansea to account for this increase. |
So the language isn’t under threat then from the English hordes | |
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 21:21 - Jul 27 with 1934 views | Gwyn737 |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 19:24 - Jul 27 by Boundy |
Could you define what a progressive poster is ? I'd be interested to know what your definition would be. |
That’s a really big question so I’ll just give my opinion in a really broad brush way.
A progressive poster on here believes in public services that are well funded by fair taxation, controlled immigration while also recognising the needs of genuine refugees, electoral reform through proportional representation and devolved powers, climate action is necessary, the young need help in a number of ways, that closer ties with the EU is sensible and that some groups probably need and extra leg up.
That list is by no means exhaustive. In previous times it represented a number of posters. That number has dwindled to a handful.
Edit: I should have added the ability to post about politics issues with saying it’s all down to immigrants. [Post edited 27 Jul 21:22]
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 23:08 - Jul 27 with 1880 views | onehunglow |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 21:21 - Jul 27 by Gwyn737 |
That’s a really big question so I’ll just give my opinion in a really broad brush way.
A progressive poster on here believes in public services that are well funded by fair taxation, controlled immigration while also recognising the needs of genuine refugees, electoral reform through proportional representation and devolved powers, climate action is necessary, the young need help in a number of ways, that closer ties with the EU is sensible and that some groups probably need and extra leg up.
That list is by no means exhaustive. In previous times it represented a number of posters. That number has dwindled to a handful.
Edit: I should have added the ability to post about politics issues with saying it’s all down to immigrants. [Post edited 27 Jul 21:22]
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So who decides on what or who is a progressive poster
It seems an ego trip to me
We are born ignorant but learn to be stupid | |
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 00:50 - Jul 28 with 1853 views | AnotherJohn |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 19:50 - Jul 27 by Scotia |
The population of Wales has only increased by around 0.6% per annum in recent years. Supply and demand isn't impacted to a significant degree by immigration.
At a local level I'd bet there is sufficient accomodation either completed or with planning permission to be completed in Swansea to account for this increase. |
The important point is that Wales is a regional sub-market of the UK housing market, as are other regions charactered by areas of rurality and relative population sparsity. Local factors do have some influence, but it is the overall UK macroeconomic environment that is most significant (BoE interest rates, credit availability, inflation rate, etcetera) . There are some differences because housing is a devolved matter, and the Senedd determines policy on planning, social housing, landlord regulation, and some housing taxes. But there is no escaping the fact that overall UK housing demand and supply influence price and affordability in Wales, and that this has been greatly affected by immigration since the millennium. House prices may on average be lower in Wales than England but there is no wall around Wales and migration from England as well as tourism and second homes mean that the general direction of travel for house prices is similar in England and Wales. Indeed, after the pandemic the UK house price index shows that prices in Wales rose more in percentage terms than those in England. [Post edited 28 Jul 0:57]
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 01:04 - Jul 28 with 1844 views | Cornys_Elbow |
FAO Resolven Your hopes for peace are shared by most. However humas will not simply
stop fighting if a state is formed. They will have access to more funding
from other nations foreign aid budgets and increased humanitarian aid which
will not find its way to those that need it most. As a political party they have
documented that the main aim other securing a free state is the extermination
of another race. Hard to believe in this day and age that people don't find that
appalling.
The October massacres were timed to perfection as Saudi Arabia were apparently
going to announce thier official recognition of the state of Israel which could
well have changed the whole dynamic aimed at a lasting peace in the region.
The population of Palestine is just under 5.7 million and increases by 2.36 %
each year.This fact alone makes me struggle to understand the claims of
mass genocide.
Can I ask your views on humas not abiding by the human rights act ?
Also can I ask what you think of how non heterosexual people are treated? [Post edited 28 Jul 1:07]
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 01:25 - Jul 28 with 1833 views | Cornys_Elbow |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 19:50 - Jul 27 by Scotia |
The population of Wales has only increased by around 0.6% per annum in recent years. Supply and demand isn't impacted to a significant degree by immigration.
At a local level I'd bet there is sufficient accomodation either completed or with planning permission to be completed in Swansea to account for this increase. |
Pretty sure population of Swansea has increased 0.6%
City and county project an increase of just under 16,000 from
2022 to 2032.
From 2021 census to mid 2024 ons data showed the figure has already increased
by just under 13,000 in 3 years. 2024 population is only 3000 less that projected
2027 figure.
Apparently these numbers settle down after initial surge.
That makes it impossible to for adequate housing provision, GP surgeries
hospitals, Schools, welfare system to cope with the well known budget constraints.
Some tough times ahead for city and those that have decisions to make. | | | |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 07:37 - Jul 28 with 1747 views | Gwyn737 |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 23:08 - Jul 27 by onehunglow |
So who decides on what or who is a progressive poster
It seems an ego trip to me
We are born ignorant but learn to be stupid |
It’s not an exact science I agree and it changes over time.
I’d say most of the time to you can tell if someone is right or left of centre. That’s not to say that people won’t have certain opinions that cross. | | | |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 08:27 - Jul 28 with 1724 views | onehunglow |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 07:37 - Jul 28 by Gwyn737 |
It’s not an exact science I agree and it changes over time.
I’d say most of the time to you can tell if someone is right or left of centre. That’s not to say that people won’t have certain opinions that cross. |
Most of the time
As for progress , just how are we progressing | |
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 11:48 - Jul 28 with 1685 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 23:08 - Jul 27 by onehunglow |
So who decides on what or who is a progressive poster
It seems an ego trip to me
We are born ignorant but learn to be stupid |
I think these progressive types have a right cheek to call themselves progressive when they’ve been in charge for decades and everything’s gone backwards. |  |
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 11:59 - Jul 28 with 1680 views | Gwyn737 |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 11:48 - Jul 28 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
I think these progressive types have a right cheek to call themselves progressive when they’ve been in charge for decades and everything’s gone backwards. |
Over the last 50 years, the Tories have been in power for 32 of them so about 2 thirds of the time.
I wouldn’t call them progressive governments. | | | |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 12:34 - Jul 28 with 1671 views | JJBomber |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 11:59 - Jul 28 by Gwyn737 |
Over the last 50 years, the Tories have been in power for 32 of them so about 2 thirds of the time.
I wouldn’t call them progressive governments. |
It's 26 Conservative, 19 labour and 5 coalition. | | | |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 12:40 - Jul 28 with 1666 views | JJBomber |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 09:34 - Jul 16 by JACKMANANDBOY |
It's not necessarily the EHCR that's the problem, it's how it is interpreted by our judges. Some judges seem to be behaving like activists.
Presumably the 18 will have the same rights.
18x18x18 = 5832. [Post edited 16 Jul 12:49]
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It's now outside the courts for most of them. You may have seen how Tehran said last week that they were behind the criminal gangs illegally transporting people to the UK. The government response to this has been to allow the IRGC, through their headquarters in Maida Vale, to issue visas to these illegals. Given the attacks we have just seen in Berlin and Paris, you would have thought a more robust response may have been in order. There again with this government, maybe not. | | | |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 14:15 - Jul 28 with 1643 views | Gwyn737 |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 12:34 - Jul 28 by JJBomber |
It's 26 Conservative, 19 labour and 5 coalition. |
The coalition wasn’t progressive. | | | |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 16:36 - Jul 28 with 1616 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 11:59 - Jul 28 by Gwyn737 |
Over the last 50 years, the Tories have been in power for 32 of them so about 2 thirds of the time.
I wouldn’t call them progressive governments. |
By your definition they could qualify though. They’ve all been big on climate, net zero policies, a laissez faire attitude towards immigration. Looking after millions of refugees. Closer ties with europe? They all wanted that. The electorate got in the way but they all wanted that. Devolution has happened with increased powers given over time. A referendum on electoral reform. A referendum on Scottish independence.
One of the biggest criticisms of the Conservative Party over the last decade is that they are not conservative enough anymore. They have become increasingly more progressive as time has gone by. Arguably Boris Johnson was the most liberal prime minister we have ever had. There’s nothing traditionally conservative (with a small c) about that guy.
Also wales and Scotland have both been run by left wing parties for the last thirty years or more. [Post edited 28 Jul 16:45]
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 16:38 - Jul 28 with 1609 views | onehunglow |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 11:59 - Jul 28 by Gwyn737 |
Over the last 50 years, the Tories have been in power for 32 of them so about 2 thirds of the time.
I wouldn’t call them progressive governments. |
Not as bad as Labour though going back to the 70s
If you’ve got a few bob and you’ve been dumb enough to put money in a pension and plan to leave this world helping your children out financially then Fook you ,they’re after you .
Why,because that type of individual is easy meat for them
They never demonstrate nor complain nor even, the bastards,don’t go on strike
They deserve every tax they get
Don’t they
Or do they ? | |
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 16:49 - Jul 28 with 1606 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 16:38 - Jul 28 by onehunglow |
Not as bad as Labour though going back to the 70s
If you’ve got a few bob and you’ve been dumb enough to put money in a pension and plan to leave this world helping your children out financially then Fook you ,they’re after you .
Why,because that type of individual is easy meat for them
They never demonstrate nor complain nor even, the bastards,don’t go on strike
They deserve every tax they get
Don’t they
Or do they ? |
The rumours coming out of Westminster that Burnham is about to announce a tax on all deaths are terrifying. If it comes to pass then it will certainly be the final nail in the coffin (no pun intended) for the Labour Party for a few decades. | |
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 16:57 - Jul 28 with 1594 views | Wingstandwood |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 15:41 - Jul 17 by Wingstandwood |
Oh to sum up i.e. in a day and age of net-zero deindustrialisation, that's also costing the U.K billions along with AI technology destroying jobs, with high rate tax payers leaving the country by many thousands and with record benefit costs?.... The U.K is adopting a 'safe and legal route' policy for immigration, whereupon once the 'pathfinders' have arrived entire families will be allowed to follow.
Where is the money going to come to pay for all this?
My guess its from higher taxes, that'll?.... Make even more wealthy taxpayers leave the country, that'll? Create catastrophic borrowing costs and end up forcing lower rate tax payers to plug the deficit . Aye, tax the rich and more will leave, that's how the real world works!!!!
The magic-money-tree that lefty-loon nutjobs see as the (Hey Presto Abracadabra) silver bullet to all problems does not exist! |
And with perfect timing........
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 17:12 - Jul 28 with 1562 views | onehunglow |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 16:49 - Jul 28 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
The rumours coming out of Westminster that Burnham is about to announce a tax on all deaths are terrifying. If it comes to pass then it will certainly be the final nail in the coffin (no pun intended) for the Labour Party for a few decades. |
10% and no exemptions
Very cynical as this won’t affect those too poor to leave anything ,the sort of people Andy is looking at to keep him and Frankie in number 10
Class war ,simply as that. Many will love it
Don’t forget to provide for old age
Take advantage of ISAs
Same horse ,different jockey | |
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 18:35 - Jul 28 with 1548 views | Gwyn737 |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 16:36 - Jul 28 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
By your definition they could qualify though. They’ve all been big on climate, net zero policies, a laissez faire attitude towards immigration. Looking after millions of refugees. Closer ties with europe? They all wanted that. The electorate got in the way but they all wanted that. Devolution has happened with increased powers given over time. A referendum on electoral reform. A referendum on Scottish independence.
One of the biggest criticisms of the Conservative Party over the last decade is that they are not conservative enough anymore. They have become increasingly more progressive as time has gone by. Arguably Boris Johnson was the most liberal prime minister we have ever had. There’s nothing traditionally conservative (with a small c) about that guy.
Also wales and Scotland have both been run by left wing parties for the last thirty years or more. [Post edited 28 Jul 16:45]
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There’s definitely truth in that. Although I’d argue there’s also a lot on the other side of the scale. | | | |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 20:02 - Jul 28 with 1515 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 18:35 - Jul 28 by Gwyn737 |
There’s definitely truth in that. Although I’d argue there’s also a lot on the other side of the scale. |
Oh absolutely. We’ve seen Labour since Blair cosy up to big business and the free markets and the media magnates whilst working people suffer. They’ve blended into much of a muchness which alongside their terrible records is the reason they are losing support by the bucketload.
I would argue that none of the parties actually represent what they were set up to do anymore. The Conservatives aren’t conservative. Labour don’t give a flying monkeys jizz about people who actually work. The Liberal Democrats proved during the Brexit debacle that they are neither liberal nor democratic. The Greens aren’t Green anymore, you rarely hear them even talk about environmental issues, they seem to have morphed into the Palestine Party. Plaid were set up to protect Welsh culture, heritage and language from mass immigration from all over the British isles in the 19th and early 20th century now seem happy to allow the entire world to come here. Reform don’t actually seem to want to reform anything. They’ve just filled their ranks with ex failed conservatives who by their very nature as conservatives would not want to reform anything. Thats the whole point of conservatism. To conserve.
I despair at the current situation I really do. | |
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 02:24 - Jul 29 with 1433 views | AnotherJohn |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 14:15 - Jul 28 by Gwyn737 |
The coalition wasn’t progressive. |
Ironically - under the influence of the Orange Book group - I'd say that the coalition was the least progressive government since Thatcher. They did get the national debt down, but they introduced pretty tough austerity policies and their NHS reforms were damaging, | | | |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 06:40 - Jul 29 with 1402 views | Gwyn737 |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 02:24 - Jul 29 by AnotherJohn |
Ironically - under the influence of the Orange Book group - I'd say that the coalition was the least progressive government since Thatcher. They did get the national debt down, but they introduced pretty tough austerity policies and their NHS reforms were damaging, |
Add tuition fees into the mix and you could well be right. | | | |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 09:35 - Jul 29 with 1361 views | Boundy |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 14:31 - Jul 27 by Scotia |
The first major ramming attack was in Nice in 2016. The first one in the UK was committed by a Welsh man on Muslims.
But, yes obviously Blairs fault. [Post edited 27 Jul 14:38]
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Wrong , you must have forgotten the Glasgow Airport attack. and yes open borders were introduced by Blair during his tenure . | |
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 10:08 - Jul 29 with 1333 views | onehunglow |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 09:35 - Jul 29 by Boundy |
Wrong , you must have forgotten the Glasgow Airport attack. and yes open borders were introduced by Blair during his tenure . |
What do Muslims pray for prior to attacking innocent folk ? | |
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| Extended families and the UK's open border on 11:37 - Jul 29 with 1307 views | Boundy |
| Extended families and the UK's open border on 10:08 - Jul 29 by onehunglow |
What do Muslims pray for prior to attacking innocent folk ? |
I’ve no idea but why they and others including our beloved King 🤮 keeps repeating the mantra that Islam is a religion of peace , pieces maybe after some poor buggers been chopped , stabbed etc all in the name of some mythical sky jockey. All religions including the Christian faith had dark passages of violence so that can’t be ignored either but I do find it troubling that atm a minority of people who follow the Islamic faith has such a hold on our everyday lives . If you’re not eating it you hear it and if not that you see it . | |
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