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This is what is happening in China at the moment. 500,000 Tibetans forced into labour camps. Not to mention the Uyghur Muslims that are being rounded up onto trains and put into camps in an attempt to ethically cleanse the country.
In Iran people have been hung this week for ACTUALLY peacefully protesting, not the CNN version of peaceful protests.
So while the NBA and LeBron James are stirring racial tensions in the West by pushing a false oppression narrative that absolutely nobody can articulate (whilst taking huge contracts from China and banning anyone speaking out about them)... take a moment to actually reflect on what racism, oppression and slavery ACTUALLY is.
These people crying oppression are some of the most privileged people in the world today. The privilege and freedom enjoyed that has enabled them to burn cities to the ground, intimidate politicians and attack civilian political opposition with impunity and no real threat of consequence is incredible.
For shame.
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So really bad oppression nulifies light oppression, eh! Comparative privilige is no real privilige... unless you are trying to justify the race to the bottom...Oh!
For shame ,yes!
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
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Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 03:36 - Sep 23 with 1797 views
Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 02:58 - Sep 23 by DJack
So really bad oppression nulifies light oppression, eh! Comparative privilige is no real privilige... unless you are trying to justify the race to the bottom...Oh!
For shame ,yes!
Light oppression?
That’s a new one on me, you will have to explain that one.
There is either oppression or there isn’t oppression, you can’t have “light oppression” or medium oppression. It isn’t a flavour of crisp, or in any way a subjective term where you can give it your own meaning. Oppression is oppression.
So would it be fair for me to say that you are suggesting there is actually oppression in America in 2020 then?
If so, where? And In what form?
(I have a feeling you may have fallen foul of another misunderstanding of what a word actually means, like you did with fascism).
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Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 03:36 - Sep 23 by Dr_Parnassus
Light oppression?
That’s a new one on me, you will have to explain that one.
There is either oppression or there isn’t oppression, you can’t have “light oppression” or medium oppression. It isn’t a flavour of crisp, or in any way a subjective term where you can give it your own meaning. Oppression is oppression.
So would it be fair for me to say that you are suggesting there is actually oppression in America in 2020 then?
If so, where? And In what form?
(I have a feeling you may have fallen foul of another misunderstanding of what a word actually means, like you did with fascism).
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ie. you say that those that who live in America are priviliged and not oppressed. My points is those in the labour camps are obviously oppressed but there are many in America who still are oppressed even if by your definition they have some privilige. You cant use the worst cases to play done the "lesser" cases... but you knew that it, it just does not suit your narrative.
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
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Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 09:16 - Sep 23 with 1700 views
There is oppression everywhere, every single day. From the situations the Op describes right down to the prolonged bullying in the workplaces and schools across the world.
It's all relative. You can do something about bullying, as long as you have the inner strength. The oppression the OP talks about is beyond the means of the oppressed to do something about though.
This is where I'd disagree with the OP, oppression (as I said) is relative and there are different degrees of it. You cannot compare a manager who indulges in long term bullying at work to the forced transportation of people to forced labour camps. You cannot compare th school bully to peaceful protestors being hanged in Iran.
Privilige and oppression both come in varying degrees. So there I have to agree with the OP, what the relatively priviliged BLM protestors are moaning about is nowhere near as bad as what is happening in Tibet, China and Iran. At least in the USA they have the freedom (you might even call it the privilige) to protest. In China dissenting voices are dealt with somewhat more harshly.
Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 10:11 - Sep 23 by trampie
The oppression the Irish suffered Cat they fought back, just as others have done.
Oh yes, people do fight back but they have faced military force. The Irish were treated as third class in their own country while the (usually) English landlords lived the high life. Of course the English did it in a lot of other places too but so did the Spanish in the new world, the Belgians in the Congo, the list of human v human atrocities is long and always growing.
At least in the USA peaceful protests are allowed, I remember watching Tianneman square on tv and recently the disgraceful behaviour in Hong Kong too.
Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 10:21 - Sep 23 by Catullus
Oh yes, people do fight back but they have faced military force. The Irish were treated as third class in their own country while the (usually) English landlords lived the high life. Of course the English did it in a lot of other places too but so did the Spanish in the new world, the Belgians in the Congo, the list of human v human atrocities is long and always growing.
At least in the USA peaceful protests are allowed, I remember watching Tianneman square on tv and recently the disgraceful behaviour in Hong Kong too.
The Irish faced military force as well and fought back to the best of their ability in the circumstances.
Continually being banned by Planet Swans for Porthcawl and then being reinstated.
Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 10:26 - Sep 23 by trampie
The Irish faced military force as well and fought back to the best of their ability in the circumstances.
Yes, I've agreed with you, or maybe I wasn't specific enough? What the English did in Ireland was just as much an atrocity as what has happened (and still is happening) anywhere in the world. They fought back bravely, what DeValera achieved was awesome.
Most of the world has been in conflict.Wars have always been there.
It’s a case of how long do you pine for the past days.
Ireland is split. No way will the Protestants unite in a one Ireland.
The English had many welsh in their armies so the Selsh are just as much to blame. Talk to anyone that was in the Welsh Guards ,a wonderful body of men,although reviled by some of their own countrymen .
Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 09:03 - Sep 23 by DJack
ie. you say that those that who live in America are priviliged and not oppressed. My points is those in the labour camps are obviously oppressed but there are many in America who still are oppressed even if by your definition they have some privilige. You cant use the worst cases to play done the "lesser" cases... but you knew that it, it just does not suit your narrative.
Where is the oppression?
You seem happy to claim such a thing yet reluctant to state where. Surely that should be top of the agenda on any discussion of oppression, where it is.
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Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 09:54 - Sep 23 by Catullus
There is oppression everywhere, every single day. From the situations the Op describes right down to the prolonged bullying in the workplaces and schools across the world.
It's all relative. You can do something about bullying, as long as you have the inner strength. The oppression the OP talks about is beyond the means of the oppressed to do something about though.
This is where I'd disagree with the OP, oppression (as I said) is relative and there are different degrees of it. You cannot compare a manager who indulges in long term bullying at work to the forced transportation of people to forced labour camps. You cannot compare th school bully to peaceful protestors being hanged in Iran.
Privilige and oppression both come in varying degrees. So there I have to agree with the OP, what the relatively priviliged BLM protestors are moaning about is nowhere near as bad as what is happening in Tibet, China and Iran. At least in the USA they have the freedom (you might even call it the privilige) to protest. In China dissenting voices are dealt with somewhat more harshly.
We are talking about racial oppression though, systemic. Not a boss bullying someone at work.
Where is that? People seem more than happy to fight against this ghost, or abuse someone for stating the riots are based on a lie... but less happy to state where it is or what exactly it is they are fighting.
We have now been discussing this for weeks. Not a single person has been able to back the riots by agreeing with their claims and pointing to where it exists.
Ask yourself why...
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Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 12:39 - Sep 23 by onehunglow
De Valera.Oh dear.The same guy that offered his condolences to the Germans on the death of Hitler.
Didn't De Valera jail and execute more IRA than the the British ?, didn't De Valera work with the British against the IRA as he seen the IRA as a threat in more ways than one ?
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Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 12:31 - Sep 23 by Dr_Parnassus
Where is the oppression?
You seem happy to claim such a thing yet reluctant to state where. Surely that should be top of the agenda on any discussion of oppression, where it is.
Racism is a form of oppression...but you know that.
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
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Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 13:35 - Sep 23 with 1535 views
Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 13:16 - Sep 23 by DJack
Racism is a form of oppression...but you know that.
It would be more informative to thread if you gave your opinion rather accusing me of knowing your reasoning for making these claims.
(Racism is not a form of oppression by the way). If I walk down the street and a black man says “go away white skinned idiot”, that doesn’t mean I am oppressed.
So again, you claim there is “light oppression” in America in 2020, where exactly?
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Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 10:39 - Sep 23 by Catullus
Yes, I've agreed with you, or maybe I wasn't specific enough? What the English did in Ireland was just as much an atrocity as what has happened (and still is happening) anywhere in the world. They fought back bravely, what DeValera achieved was awesome.
My god you are deluded. "What the English did in Ireland was just as much an atrocity as what has happened (and still is happening) anywhere in the world."
Let me name a few Stalin Pol Pot Mao North Korea Iran
I don't remember the English slaughtering or starving millions of people to death, I must have missed it in the history lessons.
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Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 15:52 - Sep 23 with 1493 views
Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 15:40 - Sep 23 by A_Fans_Dad
My god you are deluded. "What the English did in Ireland was just as much an atrocity as what has happened (and still is happening) anywhere in the world."
Let me name a few Stalin Pol Pot Mao North Korea Iran
I don't remember the English slaughtering or starving millions of people to death, I must have missed it in the history lessons.
The English or more precise the British brounght a system of democracy to Ireland and values which Ireland continue to use to this day including their justice system. They also provide opportunities for any Irishman who wanted to better themselves with well paid jobs in the UK and throughout the empire.
and a country they despised took them in affording them the opportunity to send money home to desperately poor folk from Waterford to Donegal.
A country that was seen as more of an enemy that Nazi Germany. What countries would have been neutral ? Filthy ones,like Sweden and Switzerland that made billions out of misery.
What country ,apart from ireland ,would prefer fight the British when they were engaged into Trench slaughter.
Ireland has a dark past and its not just British involvement ;the Catholic Church in Ireland ,part of the state precided over millions of case of child abuse on a scale hardly imaginable.
Oppression/Racism/Slavery on 12:47 - Sep 23 by trampie
Didn't De Valera jail and execute more IRA than the the British ?, didn't De Valera work with the British against the IRA as he seen the IRA as a threat in more ways than one ?
DeValera was also found guilty of treason and sentenced to death. He was spared possibly only because he was American born.
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