| Honour.ITV 1 last night 09:50 - Sep 30 with 1160 views | onehunglow |
A very hard watch not least for the fact it begs the question,Is the killing of a daughter honourable .This applies to men who are Turks,Kurds,Pakistanis,Iraqis,in particular. Not my suggestion but points raised in programme.
This girl was killed by father and uncles and buried in a suitcase. It was "celebrated" by the men in the family.
Family honour said to me more important than life as without honour,nobody will want to marry their daughter.
Both shocking police work then excellent determined work to bring these kunts tojutice via extradition from Iraq-the first ever |  |
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| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 10:07 - Sep 30 with 964 views | Catullus |
Some cultures treat women very badly and they say it is out of love and respect. Where is the love and respect in killing a daughter because she likes a boy you don't like?
The world we live in eh! | |
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| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 10:16 - Sep 30 with 962 views | Professor |
I find it hard to understand. Seems to be a cultural phenomenon primarily in Islamic countries around the Mediterranean and middle east into the Indian subcontinent where also practiced by some HIndu castes. Seems to have occurred in christian countries in the same areas until 19th century. I have heard of it in Latin America from my former Colombian researcher. Seems to be in macho cultures amplified by some interpretations of islam and other religious extremes. Just a complete anathema to my thinking. | | | |
| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 10:29 - Sep 30 with 957 views | onehunglow |
It is Paul to any normal human being.These vicious ,soulless,people are not normal.
Religion has a part to play as it corrodes the brain .
This girl suffered and her family caused it,celebrated it then tried to deny it.
Without a doubt ,these should have had capital punishment -my opinion. | |
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| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 11:31 - Sep 30 with 934 views | Professor |
| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 10:29 - Sep 30 by onehunglow |
It is Paul to any normal human being.These vicious ,soulless,people are not normal.
Religion has a part to play as it corrodes the brain .
This girl suffered and her family caused it,celebrated it then tried to deny it.
Without a doubt ,these should have had capital punishment -my opinion. |
I really don't agree with capital punishment, but this may be an exception. I've just dropped my daughter off to work. I can't imagine how. Even if she took up with a Trump supporting Bluebird, I would still love her. As I know you do with yours. | | | |
| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 11:40 - Sep 30 with 931 views | onehunglow |
I was never a full on hang em chap but now with more certain ways of avoiding micarriages and seeing the state of the world I can see the justification for capital punishment. Not for all cases naturally but in these cases,a civilised society is not one that releases these creatures EVER.
As for the legal people who defend them and attempt to mitigate or free them then you may now see my utter contempt for that profession. | |
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| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 12:06 - Sep 30 with 917 views | A_Fans_Dad |
These are the same people that gang rape and kill innocent young women.
They have absolutely no respect for the female of the species at all.
There are valid arguments for capital punishment, murder that has many witnesses, video evidence etc, terrorism and multiple murderers.
Only recently a multiple murderer was jailed and immediately killed 2 inmates, because "he wanted to". | | | |
| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 12:10 - Sep 30 with 907 views | Darran |
Senility seems to be setting in if the thread starter has forgotten his comments about Priti Patel on this very forum. |  |
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| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 13:41 - Sep 30 with 892 views | onehunglow |
Only the most myopic can argue that within certain ethnic communities there is not a culture amongst the males that white girl are trash and not worthy of respect.
Sweden ha seen a huge rise in rape by men of Somali origin.
It's a real problem.
15 years ago my sister in law was selling here house in Croydon and a Pakistani male made an appointment to view. When he realised the house was hers he wouldnt discuss it any further unless "her man" was present.
He was fooked off quick. | |
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| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 13:50 - Sep 30 with 876 views | Darran |
| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 13:41 - Sep 30 by onehunglow |
Only the most myopic can argue that within certain ethnic communities there is not a culture amongst the males that white girl are trash and not worthy of respect.
Sweden ha seen a huge rise in rape by men of Somali origin.
It's a real problem.
15 years ago my sister in law was selling here house in Croydon and a Pakistani male made an appointment to view. When he realised the house was hers he wouldnt discuss it any further unless "her man" was present.
He was fooked off quick. |
So what about the culture amongst white males that Asian girls are trash and not worthy of respect?
Someone once said on here about an Asian female MP “she’s an overweight, overblown kid out of her depth no doubt in her position as she is “of colour” she ain’t there out of talent” | |
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| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 14:22 - Sep 30 with 859 views | Professor |
| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 13:50 - Sep 30 by Darran |
So what about the culture amongst white males that Asian girls are trash and not worthy of respect?
Someone once said on here about an Asian female MP “she’s an overweight, overblown kid out of her depth no doubt in her position as she is “of colour” she ain’t there out of talent” |
Was all going so well. Some good discussion. Then.... | | | |
| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 14:28 - Sep 30 with 846 views | Darran |
| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 14:22 - Sep 30 by Professor |
Was all going so well. Some good discussion. Then.... |
Just a bit of balance Wiggy,there’s plenty of white people out there that are beastly to Asians.
I also have no doubt that you follow the chap I replied to on twitter and you have seen the multitude of racist tweets he has made disguised as concern about his country.
One of my pet hates is hypocrites. | |
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| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 14:41 - Sep 30 with 831 views | Professor |
| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 14:28 - Sep 30 by Darran |
Just a bit of balance Wiggy,there’s plenty of white people out there that are beastly to Asians.
I also have no doubt that you follow the chap I replied to on twitter and you have seen the multitude of racist tweets he has made disguised as concern about his country.
One of my pet hates is hypocrites. |
Not you Mr P. | | | |
| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 14:45 - Sep 30 with 822 views | Darran |
| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 14:41 - Sep 30 by Professor |
Not you Mr P. |
Ah i see glad you agree. | |
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| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 15:17 - Sep 30 with 811 views | onehunglow |
It's a matter of concern Paul for those countries Ive mentioned.
We have our own issues ,eg our appalling drinking culture that see our men and women debasing themselves that badly,they know not wtf is or has happened. Most of our city centres,indeed small town and villages, are filled with these people unable to enjoy life without getting hammered. Sometimes,I wish every pub would close.
We have a problem in the way our families shun the care for our elderly relatives-not all ,of course,but old people are the least respected in this country than anywhere else in Europe,I would contend.
All in all,as a species,it makes one wonder if we have progressed or regressed. | |
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| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 15:34 - Sep 30 with 803 views | onehunglow |
Prof.
Thanks for your exchange.
Sadly, the emergence of more hateful distraction means subject closed for me. | |
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| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 17:38 - Sep 30 with 760 views | Professor |
| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 15:34 - Sep 30 by onehunglow |
Prof.
Thanks for your exchange.
Sadly, the emergence of more hateful distraction means subject closed for me. |
Cheers
Hope the hand is OK | | | |
| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 17:59 - Sep 30 with 740 views | onehunglow |
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I was a little soldier. | |
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| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 21:20 - Sep 30 with 691 views | Luther27 |
| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 10:16 - Sep 30 by Professor |
I find it hard to understand. Seems to be a cultural phenomenon primarily in Islamic countries around the Mediterranean and middle east into the Indian subcontinent where also practiced by some HIndu castes. Seems to have occurred in christian countries in the same areas until 19th century. I have heard of it in Latin America from my former Colombian researcher. Seems to be in macho cultures amplified by some interpretations of islam and other religious extremes. Just a complete anathema to my thinking. |
Unfortunately it’s down to a clash of cultures. We view this from a Western Liberal view point and it clashes with our beliefs. If you take the Indian class system it is probably the least discussed form of apartheid or discriminatory beliefs you could imagine. To our values it is abhorrent....but still practiced to an extent here in the UK. It is however based on hundreds if not thousand years of Indian culture.
Islam is dominated by male culture and religious beliefs. I had personal views regarding this, but based on living in the more non tourist places of the Middle East it highlighted and value of the family, and the family revolves around the women. Sons were loved, daughters were revered.
I’m basing my views on personal experience having lived in these countries and not watching an episode of the programme th OP referred to. I am not defending arranged marriage etc. I am however not convinced that integration and education is after all these years taking place in our country if ideals such as these still shock. | | | |
| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 21:32 - Sep 30 with 677 views | Professor |
| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 21:20 - Sep 30 by Luther27 |
Unfortunately it’s down to a clash of cultures. We view this from a Western Liberal view point and it clashes with our beliefs. If you take the Indian class system it is probably the least discussed form of apartheid or discriminatory beliefs you could imagine. To our values it is abhorrent....but still practiced to an extent here in the UK. It is however based on hundreds if not thousand years of Indian culture.
Islam is dominated by male culture and religious beliefs. I had personal views regarding this, but based on living in the more non tourist places of the Middle East it highlighted and value of the family, and the family revolves around the women. Sons were loved, daughters were revered.
I’m basing my views on personal experience having lived in these countries and not watching an episode of the programme th OP referred to. I am not defending arranged marriage etc. I am however not convinced that integration and education is after all these years taking place in our country if ideals such as these still shock. |
Thanks Luther. May I ask where you lived? | | | |
| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 22:10 - Sep 30 with 660 views | Luther27 |
| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 21:32 - Sep 30 by Professor |
Thanks Luther. May I ask where you lived? |
Backwaters of Saudi for a few years....then moved on. | | | |
| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 22:47 - Sep 30 with 642 views | Professor |
| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 22:10 - Sep 30 by Luther27 |
Backwaters of Saudi for a few years....then moved on. |
Thanks. Not been to any Arabic countries other than airports en route to Thailand, Philippines or Ethiopia. Been to Istanbul and Tel Aviv which are close I guess. | | | |
| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 22:54 - Sep 30 with 637 views | Luther27 |
| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 22:47 - Sep 30 by Professor |
Thanks. Not been to any Arabic countries other than airports en route to Thailand, Philippines or Ethiopia. Been to Istanbul and Tel Aviv which are close I guess. |
Tel Aviv was a separate passport...oh the joys. | | | |
| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 10:11 - Oct 1 with 566 views | onehunglow |
Luther.
It is not as clear cut a you comment,with respect.
The Quran and indeed the Bible clearly makes women to be subervient to the man. Most secular countries like our have moved on;many Islam countries have not.
My views on the programme remain .Maybe you should also have watched the associated programme which featured the actual footage of the unfortunate girl before being slaughtered and the sad figure of her partner before he took his home life.
You dont have to live on a country to know something is wrong | |
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| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 11:11 - Oct 1 with 560 views | chad |
| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 21:20 - Sep 30 by Luther27 |
Unfortunately it’s down to a clash of cultures. We view this from a Western Liberal view point and it clashes with our beliefs. If you take the Indian class system it is probably the least discussed form of apartheid or discriminatory beliefs you could imagine. To our values it is abhorrent....but still practiced to an extent here in the UK. It is however based on hundreds if not thousand years of Indian culture.
Islam is dominated by male culture and religious beliefs. I had personal views regarding this, but based on living in the more non tourist places of the Middle East it highlighted and value of the family, and the family revolves around the women. Sons were loved, daughters were revered.
I’m basing my views on personal experience having lived in these countries and not watching an episode of the programme th OP referred to. I am not defending arranged marriage etc. I am however not convinced that integration and education is after all these years taking place in our country if ideals such as these still shock. |
Sorry L could I clarify, are you saying integration in this country means accepting for instance that ‘our’ value of sexual equality should be put aside as an overriding right of our culture?
Integration is surely not possible if you have 2 diametrically opposed human rights? For example when religious / cultural beliefs clash with equal treatment of women and men. |  | | |
| Honour.ITV 1 last night on 12:08 - Oct 1 with 531 views | theloneranger |
The b@stards gang raped her, before she was garrotted with a length of wire.
Familial values ?? Yeah right!!
RIP Banaz. |  |
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