| The benchmark is not the autos 21:06 - Feb 27 with 2776 views | Dr_Parnassus |
I steered clear from the match day thread as it’s getting very toxic in recent months, but I have just read it and shuddered at some of the comments.
There seems to be a bar of expected achievement (automatics) and anything below that deemed as failure and reason for blame.
I find that truly remarkable.
The automatics would be an incredible achievement, way beyond expectation. Brentford and Norwich are far better sides with players being touted for £20m and £30m. We have cobbled together a side of local youth players and young loanees added with a few bargain oldies.
I am stunned we are going into March and automatics is a genuine chance. I don’t quite see how we have kept up this form (we have an 800k winger as a converted striker due to not having one) but we have and are here on merit. That is down to the players and management team.
But it seems many have forgotten this and have moved the goalposts of expectation from play-offs... to being in the top 2 in the division and using form more fitting for the realistic goal as opposed to the incredible feat - as a stick to beat the manager and team with.
We are not the best team in the league, we aren’t the second best team in the league. We don’t really deserve to go up in the top 2. Nobody is to blame for that, it’s the situation. In the same way as nobody is to blame if Leeds don’t qualify for the Champions League...
One of our strengths in years gone by was the fans and the club knowing what was in front of them and being realistic with their goals. Which is why we allowed Martinez to incorporate a new style, which required patience. Sadly in the mire of the PL many of our fans lost that sense and it hasn’t really returned.
Some of the comments on here are bordering on agenda filled, because they don’t represent any sensible train of thought. If people are expecting us to win every game, I really do question their sanity. [Post edited 27 Feb 2021 21:36]
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| The benchmark is not the autos on 21:16 - Feb 27 with 1604 views | AguycalledJack |
To be honest I was expecting a relegation battle last year and this. |  | | |
| The benchmark is not the autos on 21:27 - Feb 27 with 1577 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The benchmark is not the autos on 21:16 - Feb 27 by AguycalledJack |
To be honest I was expecting a relegation battle last year and this. |
I was expecting another consolidation season last season and was chuffed Cooper steered us into the play offs late on in that manner. To then go fairly close against a side clearly superior made me happy with the season as a whole. I can’t remember being so accepting of a play off loss before, I knew we didn’t deserve promotion so it was fine.
This season I expected us to do similar. Losing Brewster, Gallagher and Rodon was tough so it would depend how Cooper gelled the new bargain basement recruits. It was apparent almost instantly that he did a superb job of doing so and a play-off charge was my aim.
Sadly for Steve, he has done so well in overachieving for that aim that he and the side are now being held to standards way above long term expectations. I’ll say it again, the fact we are still in the automatics conversation around March is stunning.
If we can better last season and get to Wembley, it will be yet another successful season for Cooper. It will be if we get to the playoffs, but to get to Wembley and give ourselves a chance will be a very good season indeed. | |
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| The benchmark is not the autos on 21:33 - Feb 27 with 1553 views | 34dfgdf54 |
Ah right. |  | | |
| The benchmark is not the autos on 21:34 - Feb 27 with 1551 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Ok | |
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| The benchmark is not the autos on 21:36 - Feb 27 with 1540 views | swancity |
Good post. Refreshing and interesting.
And of course being able to put together a competitive team whilst showing a huge profit on the player transfer balance sheet makes this season all the more remarkable to be fair.
The play offs are still a possibility. That gives each club roughly a one in four chance of promotion. In a League that features heavyweight Clubs like Sheffield Weds Derby County Nottm Forest etc and sees them struggling towards the bottom it shows how difficult it is. Disappointing today of course but keep up the good work Swansea City. 👠| |
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| The benchmark is not the autos on 21:37 - Feb 27 with 1538 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| The benchmark is not the autos on 21:34 - Feb 27 by Dr_Parnassus |
Ok |
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| The benchmark is not the autos on 21:38 - Feb 27 with 1532 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The benchmark is not the autos on 21:37 - Feb 27 by 34dfgdf54 |
15-40 |
Sounds like you need to get something off your chest. | |
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| The benchmark is not the autos on 21:42 - Feb 27 with 1522 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The benchmark is not the autos on 21:36 - Feb 27 by swancity |
Good post. Refreshing and interesting.
And of course being able to put together a competitive team whilst showing a huge profit on the player transfer balance sheet makes this season all the more remarkable to be fair.
The play offs are still a possibility. That gives each club roughly a one in four chance of promotion. In a League that features heavyweight Clubs like Sheffield Weds Derby County Nottm Forest etc and sees them struggling towards the bottom it shows how difficult it is. Disappointing today of course but keep up the good work Swansea City. 👠|
It’s a horrible league to get out of.
Sadly we have been spoiled in the last 15 years. Some of course only started supporting in the last decade and believe we belong in the Premier League, which of course we don’t. Our presence there, whilst warranted, was a complete anomaly.
There is a reason that it only happened to that extent once in our entire history. I’m not old, barely middle aged, but I would be surprised if it ever happens again in my lifetime.
The fact people are using once in a lifetime glory years as a baseline for normality I find a little unsettling. | |
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| The benchmark is not the autos on 21:42 - Feb 27 with 1519 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| The benchmark is not the autos on 21:38 - Feb 27 by Dr_Parnassus |
Sounds like you need to get something off your chest. |
Nah nothing from me. You know exactly what is going on with us though but you’re too proud to say you was wrong.
You ain’t dull | | | |
| The benchmark is not the autos on 21:45 - Feb 27 with 1514 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The benchmark is not the autos on 21:42 - Feb 27 by 34dfgdf54 |
Nah nothing from me. You know exactly what is going on with us though but you’re too proud to say you was wrong.
You ain’t dull |
I’m not dull no, far from it. What is going on with us exactly then?
We are 4th, 4 points behind 2nd with 2 games in hand with 15 games left.
Explain to us what peril we are in and how I am “wrong” then... | |
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| The benchmark is not the autos on 21:50 - Feb 27 with 1499 views | KeithHaynes |
Listen to the OP, he states may things that are relevant, and tomorrow let’s reflect on why that defeat is the most positive thing that can happen this season. |  |
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| The benchmark is not the autos on 21:52 - Feb 27 with 1495 views | swancity |
| The benchmark is not the autos on 21:42 - Feb 27 by Dr_Parnassus |
It’s a horrible league to get out of.
Sadly we have been spoiled in the last 15 years. Some of course only started supporting in the last decade and believe we belong in the Premier League, which of course we don’t. Our presence there, whilst warranted, was a complete anomaly.
There is a reason that it only happened to that extent once in our entire history. I’m not old, barely middle aged, but I would be surprised if it ever happens again in my lifetime.
The fact people are using once in a lifetime glory years as a baseline for normality I find a little unsettling. |
Yes our new and young fans think that we’re a big Club as a result of our Premier League years.
It’s affects judgement and expectation. After relegation in 2018 I expected our club to experience another relegation soon due to the loss of momentum and essential cost cutting measures. It’s been good to be proved wrong but our Club are battling against the odds here and doing bloody well. | |
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| The benchmark is not the autos on 21:53 - Feb 27 with 1490 views | Chief |
We're deep into February and are 4 points off the top 2 with 2 games in hand (and played the top 2 twice already).
Automatic promotion for any team in this position should be the benchmark NOW. We couldn't possibly have got this far by luck or by having a terrible goalkeeper or a clueless manager.
Obviously we'll see what happens next, and the above opinion could change if we completely faaak this up from here. |  |
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| The benchmark is not the autos on 21:58 - Feb 27 with 1482 views | magicdaps10 |
Well I wonder if Brentford have the attitude to accept a play off spot and not push for a top 2 finish!?
Nothing is granted nor should it be but we should in the position be aiming for top 2.. If we are saying we are not good enough or not better than the other teams around us aiming for top 2 then we may aswell give up that fight now.
I see where E20 is coming from but it's genuinely a daft thing to state whilst in the middle of a fight and one that is still possible to triumph in. We have an opportunity despite the set back and we have to look at how to change things and keep ourselves in the fight.
If we don't set high standards and go for the biggest prize then we may aswell just curl up like a ball in the corner...... It is about realism because reallistically we are 4 points behind 2nd with 2 games in hand, it's not a given but it is more than possible.
No agenda just a bit more Positivity and aiming for the best possibility that's on offer rather than knocking it as a lack of sense!
It can be done even if those teams are better and the individuals in those teams are worth more. |  |
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| The benchmark is not the autos on 21:59 - Feb 27 with 1480 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The benchmark is not the autos on 21:53 - Feb 27 by Chief |
We're deep into February and are 4 points off the top 2 with 2 games in hand (and played the top 2 twice already).
Automatic promotion for any team in this position should be the benchmark NOW. We couldn't possibly have got this far by luck or by having a terrible goalkeeper or a clueless manager.
Obviously we'll see what happens next, and the above opinion could change if we completely faaak this up from here. |
It’s the goal, of course - but it’s far from the expectation.
I would be stunned if we go up top 2. It will go down as one of our best seasons compared to expectation in recent history should it be the case.
I go back to the Leeds situation, they are single digit points away from the Champions League places, they will go out to win every game in the hope they somehow make it. But to make that the expectation as opposed to the goal is the danger.
It means reaction to fair results are made overly negative and superb wins being treated as run of the mill expected ones. That has an impact on and off the field. | |
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| The benchmark is not the autos on 22:05 - Feb 27 with 1472 views | 9MilesHigh |
| The benchmark is not the autos on 21:42 - Feb 27 by 34dfgdf54 |
Nah nothing from me. You know exactly what is going on with us though but you’re too proud to say you was wrong.
You ain’t dull |
He's worse than dull, he's warped.
And that pitiful opening post - laughable.
This league, this season especially has been there for the taking.
We are an absolute juggernaut compared to 80% of the league.
Cobbled together loan players and a few golden oldies. Guehi is perhaps the envy of every team in the league while Bennett played a big part in Wolves getting to the EPL.
Roberts is arguably a £15m full back who will be playing EPL next season and Matty is one of the best midfielders in the league. Throw in the luxury of £80k a week Ayew and the play offs were the bear minimum.
We've done well but let's not pity ourselves and rally behind a boring, staid manager who throttles the life and adventure out of us.
We go with 8 or 9 defensive minded players and look to stifle games, nick goals and control games sitting back in position without the ball.
This is Garry Monk and we all know how that ended.
Except Cooper insists on flogging the same 9 or 10 players in every game.
Same old system, same old lack of style.
And when we need to change it, he doesn't have a clue.
Chucking loads of random players into random positions just shows a complete lack of in game management
His first sub today, on 78 minutes nonetheless was when they had equalised and what was it?
Jay Fulton for Yan Dhanda.
I'll just end with a WTF |  | | |
| The benchmark is not the autos on 22:14 - Feb 27 with 1445 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The benchmark is not the autos on 22:11 - Feb 27 by 9MilesHigh |
Ain't you got no life Ad? |
Ah so straight in with the silly personal quips. Nice.
If you don’t want to talk football then why are you on a football forum? Seems odd. | |
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| The benchmark is not the autos on 22:16 - Feb 27 with 1438 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The benchmark is not the autos on 22:14 - Feb 27 by 9MilesHigh |
An absolute juggernaut compared to 80%
And as equal if not better than the other 20%
Who do you want us to be afraid of? |
So again, you think we should be around 5th and we are 4th with 2 games in hand over everyone above us.
I don’t want us to be afraid of anyone, I would be disappointed if we were. Being afraid and acknowledging you are worse than them isn’t the same thing. | |
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| The benchmark is not the autos on 22:16 - Feb 27 with 1437 views | 9MilesHigh |
| The benchmark is not the autos on 22:14 - Feb 27 by Dr_Parnassus |
Ah so straight in with the silly personal quips. Nice.
If you don’t want to talk football then why are you on a football forum? Seems odd. |
Putting mugs like you straight who live and breathe them | | | |
| The benchmark is not the autos on 22:18 - Feb 27 with 1431 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The benchmark is not the autos on 22:16 - Feb 27 by 9MilesHigh |
Putting mugs like you straight who live and breathe them |
So you do want to talk football?
Great.
I don’t think I have ever seen anyone take forums as seriously as you. Ever. I mean that. | |
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| The benchmark is not the autos on 22:20 - Feb 27 with 1427 views | 9MilesHigh |
| The benchmark is not the autos on 22:16 - Feb 27 by Dr_Parnassus |
So again, you think we should be around 5th and we are 4th with 2 games in hand over everyone above us.
I don’t want us to be afraid of anyone, I would be disappointed if we were. Being afraid and acknowledging you are worse than them isn’t the same thing. |
How can you read I think we should be 5th from that?
I'm expecting autos when Cooper grows some balls and if we don't make it we'll die trying.
Not make excuses for a manager too afraid of his own shadow. | | | |
| The benchmark is not the autos on 22:21 - Feb 27 with 1417 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| The benchmark is not the autos on 22:20 - Feb 27 by 9MilesHigh |
How can you read I think we should be 5th from that?
I'm expecting autos when Cooper grows some balls and if we don't make it we'll die trying.
Not make excuses for a manager too afraid of his own shadow. |
So where do you think we should be?
Maybe that would be easier.
Remember, not would like us to be... should be.
(Why “should” be finish above Brentford for example). [Post edited 27 Feb 2021 22:23]
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