| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo 05:48 - May 6 with 1705 views | RonaldStump |
https://www.theguardian.com/sp
Surely that is cheating, Women that have worked hard for years now have to compete against men?
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| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 07:13 - May 6 with 1320 views | felixstowe_jack |
Why don't all the male tennis players rated 100 yo 132 identify as women to compete in world tennis and win all the prize money. | |
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| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 09:41 - May 6 with 1291 views | RonaldStump |
| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 07:13 - May 6 by felixstowe_jack |
Why don't all the male tennis players rated 100 yo 132 identify as women to compete in world tennis and win all the prize money. |
That is where we are heading
The world has gone crazy | |
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| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 09:51 - May 6 with 1284 views | controversial_jack |
It's cheating, spectators should boycott the sports that they compete in | | | |
| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 09:55 - May 6 with 1284 views | Vincent_Vega |
All you got to ask yourself is why don't Trans men get to compete in the mens sport at Olympic level? Equality and all that. |  |
| Boycott Shampoo......Demand Real Poo!!! |
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| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 10:34 - May 6 with 1271 views | CountyJim |
Of course Sharron is correct they still have a man's body and they don't have to contend with heavy periods that some female athletes have to contend with |  | | |
| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 10:44 - May 6 with 1263 views | Dr_Parnassus |
The world is mad, actually in the most ridiculous period in modern history I would say, where everyone has set such a ridiculous, unrealistic and ultimately false social justice bar for themselves (for the sake of their social media standing) that everyone is too afraid to call out such obvious lunacy for fear of being turned-on and rounded upon by their fellow woke peers and being called a bigot.
The only way you can get the world to notice is when two woke agendas clash with another and they have to choose and pick a side.
The key one was the man, Fallon Fox, that identified as a woman and fought in the women’s division in the UFC and absolutely smashed the women to bits, fractured one of his opponents’ skull if memory serves, just sheer lunacy. They were left with no choice other than to walk back their madness.
The fact that even got to a point where is was deemed acceptable shows how dangerous this modern culture is where everyone is too afraid to state the bleeding obvious.
Women’s sport will be destroyed if it continues. Let’s be honest here, there are very few sports that women would still be able to compete at a professional level if they were competing with men. Gymnastics is the obvious exception, there may be a few more - but the testosterone gives men a distinct advantage in most sports.
Nothing against anyone who wants to transition, doesn’t bother me what anyone wants to identify as - but they have to realise that their biology ties them to the sex they were born into. They can’t identify as a woman and compete in an all female division with the body, bone density, muscle composition and hormones of a man. It’s ludicrous. [Post edited 6 May 2021 10:59]
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| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 10:50 - May 6 with 1261 views | Glossolalia |
Imagine training most your life against biological women, only to be beaten to gold by someone who has benefited from massively disproportionate testosterone levels in their formative years. It's not even close.
The issue with a few transgender women is that they wish to assume the biologically female existence and experience. The two can't be met. I'm confused with this outlook, because the transgender journey is inherently different to that of a real woman, and this should surely be reflected in what sports they can compete in etc.
This difference should be at least acknowledged and ideally, properly managed for the sake of women in sports. The irony is that a lot these female SJWs are, wittingly or otherwise, supporting the dilution of the natural female sex.
This is utterly wrong.
Summed up in a paragraph. This is insulting to elite female weightlifters.
'However, a number of scientific papers have recently shown people who have undergone male puberty retain significant advantages in power and strength even after taking medication to suppress their testosterone levels. Hubbard lived as a male for 35 years, and did not compete in international weightlifting. But since transitioning in 2012 she has won several elite titles'. [Post edited 6 May 2021 10:55]
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| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 13:44 - May 6 with 1195 views | Ajack_Kerouac |
Every man and his dog can see that this is wrong. A child can see that it is unfair...
...yet the Left march on regardless, and for reasons I can't comprehend the silent majority put up with it.
Is it really just fear, are the majority so terrified to be called names by...let's be honest, morons... that they will stand by and watch as women's rights are trampled on, as they are literally smashed to bits by a man who "identifies" as a woman?
Because if that's the case, if that's you, you should feel ashamed of yourself.
....and where are those who support all this nonsense, who were fully behind the current bunch of crooks in charge of America who are pushing through all of this insanity, to support these policies on a thread like this.
Why don't they own it.
It's what your political movements campaigned for, own it. Explain yourselves. |  |
| "It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it" |
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| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 13:50 - May 6 with 1190 views | CountyJim |
| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 13:44 - May 6 by Ajack_Kerouac |
Every man and his dog can see that this is wrong. A child can see that it is unfair...
...yet the Left march on regardless, and for reasons I can't comprehend the silent majority put up with it.
Is it really just fear, are the majority so terrified to be called names by...let's be honest, morons... that they will stand by and watch as women's rights are trampled on, as they are literally smashed to bits by a man who "identifies" as a woman?
Because if that's the case, if that's you, you should feel ashamed of yourself.
....and where are those who support all this nonsense, who were fully behind the current bunch of crooks in charge of America who are pushing through all of this insanity, to support these policies on a thread like this.
Why don't they own it.
It's what your political movements campaigned for, own it. Explain yourselves. |
Why on earth is it blamed on the left!! I have left views and I know it's wrong and unfair | | | |
| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 13:53 - May 6 with 1188 views | onehunglow |
Sharron Davies .
Couldn’t read any more as feel,wobbly | |
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| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 14:03 - May 6 with 1186 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 10:50 - May 6 by Glossolalia |
Imagine training most your life against biological women, only to be beaten to gold by someone who has benefited from massively disproportionate testosterone levels in their formative years. It's not even close.
The issue with a few transgender women is that they wish to assume the biologically female existence and experience. The two can't be met. I'm confused with this outlook, because the transgender journey is inherently different to that of a real woman, and this should surely be reflected in what sports they can compete in etc.
This difference should be at least acknowledged and ideally, properly managed for the sake of women in sports. The irony is that a lot these female SJWs are, wittingly or otherwise, supporting the dilution of the natural female sex.
This is utterly wrong.
Summed up in a paragraph. This is insulting to elite female weightlifters.
'However, a number of scientific papers have recently shown people who have undergone male puberty retain significant advantages in power and strength even after taking medication to suppress their testosterone levels. Hubbard lived as a male for 35 years, and did not compete in international weightlifting. But since transitioning in 2012 she has won several elite titles'. [Post edited 6 May 2021 10:55]
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“ The irony is that a lot these female SJWs are, wittingly or otherwise, supporting the dilution of the natural female sex. ”
In my experience, the people I know who you would describe as ‘female SJWs‘ are, almost without exception, utterly appalled at the misogyny and homophobia underlying a lot of the activist trans movement. | | | |
| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 14:14 - May 6 with 1182 views | Ajack_Kerouac |
| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 13:50 - May 6 by CountyJim |
Why on earth is it blamed on the left!! I have left views and I know it's wrong and unfair |
Are you for real?
Google who is supporting this and who is fighting it. | |
| "It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it" |
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| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 14:25 - May 6 with 1174 views | Glossolalia |
| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 14:03 - May 6 by londonlisa2001 |
“ The irony is that a lot these female SJWs are, wittingly or otherwise, supporting the dilution of the natural female sex. ”
In my experience, the people I know who you would describe as ‘female SJWs‘ are, almost without exception, utterly appalled at the misogyny and homophobia underlying a lot of the activist trans movement. |
Good to hear! It is indeed the height of misogyny. But there are certainly many people so preoccupied with appearing current and uber-tolerant, that they don't think twice when undermining their own sex. | | | |
| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 14:46 - May 6 with 1166 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 14:25 - May 6 by Glossolalia |
Good to hear! It is indeed the height of misogyny. But there are certainly many people so preoccupied with appearing current and uber-tolerant, that they don't think twice when undermining their own sex. |
Unless you are a straight, white, male of course.
In which you can be spoken down to simply due to your gender, sexuality and race and it be totally acceptable. In fact the SJW types get extra points for abusing those people. They won’t enter into any form of meaningful dialogue and will often state they won’t discuss their opinions with you simply because you are straight white and male.
It’s tolerance and acceptance... but only when it suits. Only if you fit into a certain bracket, otherwise you’re fair game for sexism and racism.
As I said, the world is currently absolutely barmy. [Post edited 6 May 2021 14:50]
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| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 14:50 - May 6 with 1164 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 14:46 - May 6 by Dr_Parnassus |
Unless you are a straight, white, male of course.
In which you can be spoken down to simply due to your gender, sexuality and race and it be totally acceptable. In fact the SJW types get extra points for abusing those people. They won’t enter into any form of meaningful dialogue and will often state they won’t discuss their opinions with you simply because you are straight white and male.
It’s tolerance and acceptance... but only when it suits. Only if you fit into a certain bracket, otherwise you’re fair game for sexism and racism.
As I said, the world is currently absolutely barmy. [Post edited 6 May 2021 14:50]
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It’s amusing to see you completely change your point of attack once you think the discussion isn’t going the way you hoped to provoke.
It’s almost as if it’s a game...
I’ll leave you to your straight white male terribly oppressed self anyway - I have to go, | | | |
| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 14:51 - May 6 with 1162 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 14:14 - May 6 by Ajack_Kerouac |
Are you for real?
Google who is supporting this and who is fighting it. |
It’s actually nowhere near as simple as that as it happens. | | | |
| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 14:56 - May 6 with 1154 views | Ajack_Kerouac |
| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 14:51 - May 6 by londonlisa2001 |
It’s actually nowhere near as simple as that as it happens. |
Go on... | |
| "It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it" |
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| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 14:57 - May 6 with 1154 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 14:25 - May 6 by Glossolalia |
Good to hear! It is indeed the height of misogyny. But there are certainly many people so preoccupied with appearing current and uber-tolerant, that they don't think twice when undermining their own sex. |
Most women I know are very aware of the whole issue.
It’s quite an age divide though I suspect. Women who have fought hard for sex based rights and also for gay rights are acutely conscious at how easily they will be taken away. The younger people take stuff for granted and are easily swayed. Some organisations of course need to continue to ‘battle’ and this is the new battleground.
It’s a complex matter. I’m hugely supportive of any individual that wishes to transition, and I have no problem in sharing loos, using whatever pronouns people prefer etc etc, but if we are to recognise that sex and gender are different constructs, then changing gender by definition does not equal changing sex where sex is used to define an issue, for example, in sport. | | | |
| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 14:57 - May 6 with 1153 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 14:56 - May 6 by Ajack_Kerouac |
Go on... |
Read what I’ve said.
Anyway - sorry, I have to go. | | | |
| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 15:01 - May 6 with 1153 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 14:50 - May 6 by londonlisa2001 |
It’s amusing to see you completely change your point of attack once you think the discussion isn’t going the way you hoped to provoke.
It’s almost as if it’s a game...
I’ll leave you to your straight white male terribly oppressed self anyway - I have to go, |
Point of attack?
At which point was any of this an attack on anyone?
1) I stated that trans men in female sport is ludicrous. Simply because it is. I have an example where a woman athlete almost died as a result.
- how has that discussion “not gone my way”? There was universal acceptance wasn’t there? Which no doubt you and your kind see as bigotry.
2) SJW’s were brought into the discussion and their fixation on the acceptance and tolerance of “everyone”.
- I pointed out that it wasn’t everyone and in fact you can often see and hear them lambasting men, especially straight white ones. That is literally the reasons they give for not discussing a topic with you.
Now pray tell, if I said I wasn’t going to discuss something with someone simply because they were a gay, black, female... what would you say to that?
You keep downplaying and accepting racism and sexism Lisa, others will continue to speak out regardless of the victims gender or race.
Now how is that “a game” exactly? Whenever a discussion you are involved in touches upon a point that you find hits a nerve; you automatically accuse the other person of “playing a game”. Very transparent.
It’s funny you always have to go when the going gets tough.
Bye Lisa. [Post edited 6 May 2021 15:04]
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| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 15:10 - May 6 with 1143 views | Ajack_Kerouac |
| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 14:57 - May 6 by londonlisa2001 |
Read what I’ve said.
Anyway - sorry, I have to go. |
You know as well as I do and as well as anyone who is compos mentis and can keep up that it has been Left wing political parties promoting the idea that a man can decide he is a woman and then, magically, he becomes a woman...it is Left wing parties that demand that we all play along in the delusion...it is Left wing campaign groups that are aggressively demanding legislation.
If you as an individual think differently, if you are a Feminist who truly cares about women's rights...then why do you vote for parties that push this agenda? and why do you demonise the Right who have opposed it?
If I am mistaken re: which wing of politics pushes this agenda, please provide evidence. | |
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| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 15:24 - May 6 with 1129 views | A_Fans_Dad |
Are these posters questioning where it is coming from not aware of Joe Bidens Executive Order for this, for the Democrat party of course?
Are they also not aware that the Republican held states have been fighting the said Executive Order?
So who else apart from Biden and the Dems are pushing this worldwide, there must be others? | | | |
| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 15:34 - May 6 with 1121 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 15:10 - May 6 by Ajack_Kerouac |
You know as well as I do and as well as anyone who is compos mentis and can keep up that it has been Left wing political parties promoting the idea that a man can decide he is a woman and then, magically, he becomes a woman...it is Left wing parties that demand that we all play along in the delusion...it is Left wing campaign groups that are aggressively demanding legislation.
If you as an individual think differently, if you are a Feminist who truly cares about women's rights...then why do you vote for parties that push this agenda? and why do you demonise the Right who have opposed it?
If I am mistaken re: which wing of politics pushes this agenda, please provide evidence. |
Not many real feminists about these days, simply because they have equality and aren’t needed. They were wonderful people though and worked damned hard for an actual cause.
Plenty of third wave feminists though, that the likes of Pankhurst would have been shaking her head at in pure disgust.
The type that don’t want equality but want preferential treatment.
I saw a First Dates episode a while back where a woman on there said she was a feminist, promoted female empowerment and bettering themselves. Cool woman I thought.
She didn’t get on with her date, clearly different people - that’s life. At the end of the date he asked “shall we split the bill?” and she acted as if he had just burned her family home down. Amazingly they edited it in such a way is if he was the unreasonable one. I couldn’t believe my eyes.
This bloke even ended up getting death threats and all manner of abuse online afterwards.... for the great crime of wanting them to pay half each?! That show was edited to suit the narrative most viewers would agree with sadly.
Ask a third wave feminist if they want the same prison time men get for committing the same crimes? If they want the same treatment when it comes to parenting custody decisions. If they want the same say on an unborn child as the man does... it would be a resounding “no thank you”... “But all the good stuff of equality, we will keep that please”.
Thankfully they are in the minority. I think it’s something like 90% of women believe in the equality of the sexes, while only 20% consider themselves a feminist.
Considering feminist is literally a belief in the equality of the sexes, it goes to show just how far removed feminism is today with how it originated. That’s why the overwhelming majority of women are rejecting it in their droves, and for good reason. [Post edited 6 May 2021 15:43]
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| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 17:20 - May 6 with 1086 views | Gwyn737 |
| Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard to make Olympic history in Tokyo on 15:34 - May 6 by Dr_Parnassus |
Not many real feminists about these days, simply because they have equality and aren’t needed. They were wonderful people though and worked damned hard for an actual cause.
Plenty of third wave feminists though, that the likes of Pankhurst would have been shaking her head at in pure disgust.
The type that don’t want equality but want preferential treatment.
I saw a First Dates episode a while back where a woman on there said she was a feminist, promoted female empowerment and bettering themselves. Cool woman I thought.
She didn’t get on with her date, clearly different people - that’s life. At the end of the date he asked “shall we split the bill?” and she acted as if he had just burned her family home down. Amazingly they edited it in such a way is if he was the unreasonable one. I couldn’t believe my eyes.
This bloke even ended up getting death threats and all manner of abuse online afterwards.... for the great crime of wanting them to pay half each?! That show was edited to suit the narrative most viewers would agree with sadly.
Ask a third wave feminist if they want the same prison time men get for committing the same crimes? If they want the same treatment when it comes to parenting custody decisions. If they want the same say on an unborn child as the man does... it would be a resounding “no thank you”... “But all the good stuff of equality, we will keep that please”.
Thankfully they are in the minority. I think it’s something like 90% of women believe in the equality of the sexes, while only 20% consider themselves a feminist.
Considering feminist is literally a belief in the equality of the sexes, it goes to show just how far removed feminism is today with how it originated. That’s why the overwhelming majority of women are rejecting it in their droves, and for good reason. [Post edited 6 May 2021 15:43]
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Could this be the topic that unites opinion on this forum?
There’s always lots of talk of who’s on the left/right here, but there’s nobody saying this is sensible (yet...) | | | |
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