| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? 13:07 - Jun 6 with 1155 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Swansea managers.
Class A: If you are a good manager at Swansea you leave with the club recieving compensation. Potter Brendan Martinez Sousa
Class B: If you are a steady manager you might still get sacked although this is not standard
Guidolin. Carlos was a bit like this but his contract ran out.
Class C: If you are a bad manager at Swansea you are sacked with the club paying compensation. Clement, Bradley, Monk, perhaps
Cooper is in Class B but could challenge class A if he challenged himself to improve his own performance and beefed up his coaching team. There is no evidence for example that Garry Monk ever did this.
Cooper is "Goldilocks" manager. Not good enough yet to get in the Premeir leagues and get poached with millions for the club. Not bad enough by a long way to get sacked costing the club a million or two.
With one year on his deal it is steady as she goes and review this time next year. I presume there is some form of roll on option to keep the financial guys happy for compo.
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| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 14:55 - Jun 6 with 1075 views | Treforys_Jack |
Just No !!! |  | | |
| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 16:58 - Jun 6 with 1029 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
I see Cooper in the same vein I recall the League 1 tenure of Kenny Jackett. League position was fine and arguably not worth being sacked over.
Nevertheless, the tactical decisions being made were woeful and eventually the boos from the East Stand turned into chants of Jackett Out.
I see the same happening to Cooper. Let's not forget we were booed off of the pitch more often than not under Cooper when we did have crowds. The quality of football has been abysmal since his first game in charge. |  |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 17:15 - Jun 6 with 1020 views | Treforys_Jack |
Agreed with most of that tbf. [Post edited 6 Jun 2021 17:16]
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| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 17:31 - Jun 6 with 1010 views | monmouth |
| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 16:58 - Jun 6 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
I see Cooper in the same vein I recall the League 1 tenure of Kenny Jackett. League position was fine and arguably not worth being sacked over.
Nevertheless, the tactical decisions being made were woeful and eventually the boos from the East Stand turned into chants of Jackett Out.
I see the same happening to Cooper. Let's not forget we were booed off of the pitch more often than not under Cooper when we did have crowds. The quality of football has been abysmal since his first game in charge. |
Wembley live made it quite clear that as soon as crowds are back he is toast. I thought watching the same old dung would be better live than onscreen as you could see the full picture. The full picture was ghastly. He won’t last to Christmas and I hope for his sake he is resilient in character.
That said he’s now 11/10 with one bookie for Palace. Please give us some money for him, south London scumbags.. That would be the icing on the cake. |  |
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| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 17:36 - Jun 6 with 1001 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 17:31 - Jun 6 by monmouth |
Wembley live made it quite clear that as soon as crowds are back he is toast. I thought watching the same old dung would be better live than onscreen as you could see the full picture. The full picture was ghastly. He won’t last to Christmas and I hope for his sake he is resilient in character.
That said he’s now 11/10 with one bookie for Palace. Please give us some money for him, south London scumbags.. That would be the icing on the cake. |
Some of us saw it from the beginning. Whilst most celebrated that victory away at Leeds in with jubilation, it was evident to me just how far backwards Cooper had taken the team and individual players. It was quite honestly frightening.
It was the same feeling I had when it became clear how Garry Monk would approach his then temporary head coaching role at Swansea after the first 2 or 3 games. | |
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| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 18:24 - Jun 6 with 974 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 17:36 - Jun 6 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
Some of us saw it from the beginning. Whilst most celebrated that victory away at Leeds in with jubilation, it was evident to me just how far backwards Cooper had taken the team and individual players. It was quite honestly frightening.
It was the same feeling I had when it became clear how Garry Monk would approach his then temporary head coaching role at Swansea after the first 2 or 3 games. |
The start of the rot for 'goldilocks' managers is when the chairman asks the manager to change / improve his back room staff. What all 'goldilocks' managers must do is pre empt this stage and bring in new thinking himself. Ths happened with Monk I recall.
Cooper got the job on the basis of a continuation of the 'Swansea way'. It is entirely consistent to bring in a Routledge, Britton or Rangel into the coaching team to introduce those short sharp one touch passing moves the club was famous for. Sir Alex regularly freshened up his backroom staff. It is not an admission of failure but a positive mutation. | |
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| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 10:59 - Jun 7 with 869 views | vetchonian |
| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 18:24 - Jun 6 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The start of the rot for 'goldilocks' managers is when the chairman asks the manager to change / improve his back room staff. What all 'goldilocks' managers must do is pre empt this stage and bring in new thinking himself. Ths happened with Monk I recall.
Cooper got the job on the basis of a continuation of the 'Swansea way'. It is entirely consistent to bring in a Routledge, Britton or Rangel into the coaching team to introduce those short sharp one touch passing moves the club was famous for. Sir Alex regularly freshened up his backroom staff. It is not an admission of failure but a positive mutation. |
Happened with Laudrup too when our then Chairman was insisting LAudrup appoint MOnk to his coaching staff what a joke! |  |
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| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 11:19 - Jun 7 with 860 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 10:59 - Jun 7 by vetchonian |
Happened with Laudrup too when our then Chairman was insisting LAudrup appoint MOnk to his coaching staff what a joke! |
Luadrup needed to make changes. Like i said he should hhave made them before the club demands them. Laudrup got complacent.
Cooper might be the same. "We do what we do. We will not change the way we work". Remember the words?
There are 20,000 fans hoping that is not true and like every young manager he changes develops. If Sir Alex can still be evolving after 30+ years then so can Cooper. | |
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| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 12:50 - Jun 7 with 835 views | BillyChong |
| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 11:19 - Jun 7 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Luadrup needed to make changes. Like i said he should hhave made them before the club demands them. Laudrup got complacent.
Cooper might be the same. "We do what we do. We will not change the way we work". Remember the words?
There are 20,000 fans hoping that is not true and like every young manager he changes develops. If Sir Alex can still be evolving after 30+ years then so can Cooper. |
Even after the ‘club demands’ Jenkins shook hands with Laudrup in an agreement for Laudrup to take things forward. He was sacked for ‘breach of contract’ within the day which Jenkins couldn’t explain over the phone. Instead Laudrup was sent a letter which contained in his words ‘silly’ and ‘incredible’ reasons. To do that and appoint Monk was utter madness. | | | |
| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 14:13 - Jun 7 with 796 views | vetchonian |
| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 12:50 - Jun 7 by BillyChong |
Even after the ‘club demands’ Jenkins shook hands with Laudrup in an agreement for Laudrup to take things forward. He was sacked for ‘breach of contract’ within the day which Jenkins couldn’t explain over the phone. Instead Laudrup was sent a letter which contained in his words ‘silly’ and ‘incredible’ reasons. To do that and appoint Monk was utter madness. |
Then to Appoint Monk as permenant manager whilst also allowing Monk to sideline Curtis was the beginning of our demise! | |
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| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 16:15 - Jun 7 with 762 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 12:50 - Jun 7 by BillyChong |
Even after the ‘club demands’ Jenkins shook hands with Laudrup in an agreement for Laudrup to take things forward. He was sacked for ‘breach of contract’ within the day which Jenkins couldn’t explain over the phone. Instead Laudrup was sent a letter which contained in his words ‘silly’ and ‘incredible’ reasons. To do that and appoint Monk was utter madness. |
Laudrup has has a bust up wherever he has been, it appears. including losing a European Nations League with Denmark through differences with the management. It is fanciful he could have stayed 3 or 4 seasons. I would sooner accept HJ take on these events than those of ML. Had he has an offer he would have gone in a flash. | |
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| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 17:01 - Jun 7 with 744 views | BillyChong |
| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 16:15 - Jun 7 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Laudrup has has a bust up wherever he has been, it appears. including losing a European Nations League with Denmark through differences with the management. It is fanciful he could have stayed 3 or 4 seasons. I would sooner accept HJ take on these events than those of ML. Had he has an offer he would have gone in a flash. |
Well yes, as you allude to in your Class A group above this happens with every decent Swans manager | | | |
| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 19:57 - Jun 7 with 685 views | Chief |
| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 16:15 - Jun 7 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Laudrup has has a bust up wherever he has been, it appears. including losing a European Nations League with Denmark through differences with the management. It is fanciful he could have stayed 3 or 4 seasons. I would sooner accept HJ take on these events than those of ML. Had he has an offer he would have gone in a flash. |
Nations league?
"Had he has an offer he would have gone in a flash." Just like Huw and the sellouts you mean???  |  |
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| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 20:59 - Jun 7 with 662 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 19:57 - Jun 7 by Chief |
Nations league?
"Had he has an offer he would have gone in a flash." Just like Huw and the sellouts you mean??? |
HJ and MM have not actually gone. They are still significnant shareholders in the club as far as I know. They did admirable service for the club 2002-2016 a very solid 14 years.
The Euros that Denmark won. Michael refused to play. He was unhappy with the management which some might argue was very poor judgement on his part. | |
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| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 21:42 - Jun 7 with 644 views | Chief |
| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 20:59 - Jun 7 by ReslovenSwan1 |
HJ and MM have not actually gone. They are still significnant shareholders in the club as far as I know. They did admirable service for the club 2002-2016 a very solid 14 years.
The Euros that Denmark won. Michael refused to play. He was unhappy with the management which some might argue was very poor judgement on his part. |
Although they've abdicated all responsibility, control and interest.
Yes European Championship in 1992. Well before the inception of the Nations League. | |
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| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 23:24 - Jun 7 with 615 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 21:42 - Jun 7 by Chief |
Although they've abdicated all responsibility, control and interest.
Yes European Championship in 1992. Well before the inception of the Nations League. |
They have handed over the reigns certainly. They still howerer I would imagine have a lot of interest in the club with both holding a million or two GBP in club shares. Both are fans also and would have been a disappointed as me in the wembley showing. It went almost entirely as expected. | |
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| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 08:28 - Jun 8 with 570 views | vetchonian |
| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 20:59 - Jun 7 by ReslovenSwan1 |
HJ and MM have not actually gone. They are still significnant shareholders in the club as far as I know. They did admirable service for the club 2002-2016 a very solid 14 years.
The Euros that Denmark won. Michael refused to play. He was unhappy with the management which some might argue was very poor judgement on his part. |
Shareholders with no voting rights!
They hold vanity shares.... they sold their rights and sold out the Trust in the process
Please remind me who was it who appointed the petulant Laudrup? | |
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| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 09:16 - Jun 8 with 558 views | Chief |
| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 08:28 - Jun 8 by vetchonian |
Shareholders with no voting rights!
They hold vanity shares.... they sold their rights and sold out the Trust in the process
Please remind me who was it who appointed the petulant Laudrup? |
The trust confirmed that Huw hadn't attended a single shareholders meeting since leaving his post. | |
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| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 13:19 - Jun 8 with 525 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 08:28 - Jun 8 by vetchonian |
Shareholders with no voting rights!
They hold vanity shares.... they sold their rights and sold out the Trust in the process
Please remind me who was it who appointed the petulant Laudrup? |
What they do with their shares is none of the Trust's business. They chose to sell the voting rights they own to the US buyers.
In reality none of the sellers and current shareholders want the SCST anywhere making strategic decisions or giving them vetos that a lager holding would allow. The SCST's own strategy made no sense before and even less sense today from what I can see. They do not seem good networkers. They are not seen as shrewd people.
After 14 long years the other shareholders wanted to sell and the SCST did not. They were isolated. Now for some reasion aparently they want a complete sell up. Could relegation be anything to do with it?
Laudrup was a great appointment and won a trophy. He then wanted to much money and control and was sacked after a string of disappointing performances. | |
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| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 13:25 - Jun 8 with 524 views | Chief |
| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 13:19 - Jun 8 by ReslovenSwan1 |
What they do with their shares is none of the Trust's business. They chose to sell the voting rights they own to the US buyers.
In reality none of the sellers and current shareholders want the SCST anywhere making strategic decisions or giving them vetos that a lager holding would allow. The SCST's own strategy made no sense before and even less sense today from what I can see. They do not seem good networkers. They are not seen as shrewd people.
After 14 long years the other shareholders wanted to sell and the SCST did not. They were isolated. Now for some reasion aparently they want a complete sell up. Could relegation be anything to do with it?
Laudrup was a great appointment and won a trophy. He then wanted to much money and control and was sacked after a string of disappointing performances. |
Impending legal action and a shareholders agreement suggests the exact opposite of your first paragraph though doesn't it!
What they did with their shares is squarely the business of the trust!
Unbelievable you still can't grasp that after all this time.
The rest of course is usual spiel that's been discredited many times now | |
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| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 15:30 - Jun 8 with 493 views | Whiterockin |
| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 13:25 - Jun 8 by Chief |
Impending legal action and a shareholders agreement suggests the exact opposite of your first paragraph though doesn't it!
What they did with their shares is squarely the business of the trust!
Unbelievable you still can't grasp that after all this time.
The rest of course is usual spiel that's been discredited many times now |
So is there impending legal action from the trust. Not taking sides on this, but it has been dragging on so long I really have not got a clue as to what is happening. |  | | |
| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 15:39 - Jun 8 with 484 views | Chief |
| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 15:30 - Jun 8 by Whiterockin |
So is there impending legal action from the trust. Not taking sides on this, but it has been dragging on so long I really have not got a clue as to what is happening. |
All I know is that the last trust update email stated that they were still preparing for the case and there'd be an announcement soon. | |
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| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 15:42 - Jun 8 with 479 views | Whiterockin |
| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 15:39 - Jun 8 by Chief |
All I know is that the last trust update email stated that they were still preparing for the case and there'd be an announcement soon. |
Thank you. So basically no decision has been made, there may be action there may not. | | | |
| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 16:24 - Jun 8 with 461 views | monmouth |
| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 13:19 - Jun 8 by ReslovenSwan1 |
What they do with their shares is none of the Trust's business. They chose to sell the voting rights they own to the US buyers.
In reality none of the sellers and current shareholders want the SCST anywhere making strategic decisions or giving them vetos that a lager holding would allow. The SCST's own strategy made no sense before and even less sense today from what I can see. They do not seem good networkers. They are not seen as shrewd people.
After 14 long years the other shareholders wanted to sell and the SCST did not. They were isolated. Now for some reasion aparently they want a complete sell up. Could relegation be anything to do with it?
Laudrup was a great appointment and won a trophy. He then wanted to much money and control and was sacked after a string of disappointing performances. |
What a great big pile of steaming fertiliser. | |
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| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 18:27 - Jun 8 with 434 views | BillyChong |
| Had your porridge this morning Goldilocks? on 13:19 - Jun 8 by ReslovenSwan1 |
What they do with their shares is none of the Trust's business. They chose to sell the voting rights they own to the US buyers.
In reality none of the sellers and current shareholders want the SCST anywhere making strategic decisions or giving them vetos that a lager holding would allow. The SCST's own strategy made no sense before and even less sense today from what I can see. They do not seem good networkers. They are not seen as shrewd people.
After 14 long years the other shareholders wanted to sell and the SCST did not. They were isolated. Now for some reasion aparently they want a complete sell up. Could relegation be anything to do with it?
Laudrup was a great appointment and won a trophy. He then wanted to much money and control and was sacked after a string of disappointing performances. |
Of course the yanks don’t want the trust seeing what they are up to behind closed doors, that’s bleeding obvious to all. There is a massive cultural difference when it comes to Americans and the British when it comes to football. The Americans have no idea of the cradle to the grave concept having been brought up with franchises etc. Fans are seen as nothing but pound/dollar signs to them. | | | |
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