| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress 09:00 - Jul 20 with 2257 views | SwansIndependent |
 Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress 20th Jul 2021 09:00The expected loan signing coming in to the club this week has been halted for reasons we can only assume are the ever increasing concerns over the future of Steve Cooper at Swansea City. The media are steering clear of any speculation, in fact they are not even going anywhere near this very stormy cloud that continues to hang over the club again this week.  0
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| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 09:11 - Jul 20 with 1592 views | KGriz16 |
How well informed is Darren on the other board? He wrote 'goodbye' on a thread, isn't he quite well informed?
On the loan signing - is it a Steve Cooper player from his U17 team because that's the only thing I would imagine would hinder a move? |  | | |
| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 09:16 - Jul 20 with 1576 views | Chief |
On another thread & in this article it is stated the signing was halted due to 'contractual reasons'.
That isn't the case now is it? [Post edited 20 Jul 2021 9:25]
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| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 09:37 - Jul 20 with 1490 views | vetchonian |
Whatever it is is happening with Copper it needs to be completed NOW.....
Again lets look at all the facts the club would have known of Cooper's "desire" to move on if they had allowed him to speak to Palace,and Fulham surely then conversations regarding his future at the club should those options "fail" should have been in progress?
Are the issues over Coopers "request" for a new contract..V his commitment to the club?
I would be surprised if he walked with no job to go to.....wouldnt help him in the future.
I cannot believe the club has left things till this late to get things sorted and why is isnt he on gardening leave if his departure is imminent?
Cooper cannot be blamed for having some ambition and when a PL club comes calling it is understandable he might want to try for that gig, just as Potter did, ROberto and Brendan before him....Brendan left to manage in the same division...like the FUlham example.
THis needs sorting today...it seems now this whole " business" is holding up transfers and more so we will enter the season with a new manager and little time fro them to make a mark | |
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| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 09:40 - Jul 20 with 1461 views | onehunglow |
| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 09:11 - Jul 20 by KGriz16 |
How well informed is Darren on the other board? He wrote 'goodbye' on a thread, isn't he quite well informed?
On the loan signing - is it a Steve Cooper player from his U17 team because that's the only thing I would imagine would hinder a move? |
Is he or is he not?
Simply a nobody ,as we all are as regards our club.
Cooper is a concern and as I have said,to much derision,should be sacked TODAY . We can repair any financial damage but this chap i affecting our club ,I believe,in a really bad way. He will damage us and ne need to go.
Bit the bullet and be brave . | |
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| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 09:40 - Jul 20 with 1475 views | Catullus |
People may think they are well informed but unless someone has been told directly by Cooper then even Winter doesn't know for sure.
Contractual issues, it may be that they want guarantees of Cooper staying before signing so a contractual issue of sorts. Lets face it though, who can guarantee anything in football? A player can sign a long term contract one day and a week later be gone, same for managers. When bigger, richer clubs come calling anything can happen. We've had players and managers swear they love the club only for them to be gone quicker than roadrunner when more money is offered. That's not a complaint it's just fact.
I don't object to anybody moving to a better paid job, I'd do it myself, especially for the silly money that's offered. I just object to the hypocrisy, better for a player or manager to just make the usual bland statements and not go cooing about loving and wanting to stay, actions not words please. As the song says, you say it best when you say nothing at all. I prefer it that Cooper is saying nothing rather than trot out the "I'll have to be dragged out of here" line! | |
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| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 09:46 - Jul 20 with 1456 views | Chief |
This is certainly being dragged out now, obviously perpetuated by articles like this and posts on forums and Twitter from people 'ITK'.
So cutting through all the bluster, because there's little fact out there for what I can see....
If there is something to these rumours what is holding it up? Can't agree a compensation package for him to go or what? | |
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| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 09:53 - Jul 20 with 1432 views | KGriz16 |
Well, I'm beginning to think that Cooper won't be in the dug out this evening? | | | |
| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 09:55 - Jul 20 with 1425 views | guthrieintherain |
| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 09:40 - Jul 20 by onehunglow |
Is he or is he not?
Simply a nobody ,as we all are as regards our club.
Cooper is a concern and as I have said,to much derision,should be sacked TODAY . We can repair any financial damage but this chap i affecting our club ,I believe,in a really bad way. He will damage us and ne need to go.
Bit the bullet and be brave . |
My guess is Cooper wants out the club want him out.
But brinkmanship is going on bit of a case of who blinks first.
Cooper behaving as if he does not give a toss trying to force our hand.
The club won't want to pay if a load of compo so he can walk into another job he may have lined up.
Cooper not coming out of this with much credit that's my opinion.
If he has a 3 year contract he needs to knuckle down and get on with the job.
That's clearly not happening. | |
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| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 09:55 - Jul 20 with 1418 views | Chief |
| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 09:53 - Jul 20 by KGriz16 |
Well, I'm beginning to think that Cooper won't be in the dug out this evening? |
Based on what though? | |
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| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 09:57 - Jul 20 with 1401 views | vetchonian |
| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 09:46 - Jul 20 by Chief |
This is certainly being dragged out now, obviously perpetuated by articles like this and posts on forums and Twitter from people 'ITK'.
So cutting through all the bluster, because there's little fact out there for what I can see....
If there is something to these rumours what is holding it up? Can't agree a compensation package for him to go or what? |
You are spot on here Chief
You would think the club would want it done so the new person can get in and get on..for me I am sure if Cooper was off he would not be taking training,or anywhere near the club..and the club would have made a statement to the lines
It has been mutually agreed that Steve Cooper and Swansea CIty FC will part company, we thank Steve and his staff for their valuable contribution over the past two seasons and wish them well for the future.Whilst contractual issues are resolved Steve and his team will be on gardeneing leave.
An announcement regarding a new management team will follow. | |
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| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 09:58 - Jul 20 with 1398 views | Catullus |
| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 09:46 - Jul 20 by Chief |
This is certainly being dragged out now, obviously perpetuated by articles like this and posts on forums and Twitter from people 'ITK'.
So cutting through all the bluster, because there's little fact out there for what I can see....
If there is something to these rumours what is holding it up? Can't agree a compensation package for him to go or what? |
Maybe he wants to go but (having seen how we played last season) nobody really fancies him?
Maybe the compo package is putting people off? Though they are common enough these days the price can still be a problem.
Some people are definitely ITK while some others just think they are. Keith seems as well informed as anyone outside the club but things can change very quickly.
The rumours aren't stopping though. Is it that Coops wants to leave or that the club wants him out? I certainly don't know. Winter may have a replacement lined up but doesn't want to pay Cooper off. Anything is possible. Social media and all these ITK people posting endless "facts" certainly don't help. | |
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| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 10:02 - Jul 20 with 1372 views | onehunglow |
| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 09:55 - Jul 20 by guthrieintherain |
My guess is Cooper wants out the club want him out.
But brinkmanship is going on bit of a case of who blinks first.
Cooper behaving as if he does not give a toss trying to force our hand.
The club won't want to pay if a load of compo so he can walk into another job he may have lined up.
Cooper not coming out of this with much credit that's my opinion.
If he has a 3 year contract he needs to knuckle down and get on with the job.
That's clearly not happening. |
Morning kriz.
That is as I see it.
It will cost us to get shot of him but ,to me,he is like effluent in a swimming pool and deeply disingenuous.Ive banged on abut this for a good 12 month but too many have not seen it. The man has been incompetent and is not toxic and hampering us just before the new season. He turn my stomach I admit but surely his position is now untenable.
I will be glued to this site for some good news.
Im quite prepared to shuffled down the 483 to drive him back to wherever he wants to go. I can see him managing our neighbours sometime. Wonder what reaction his fans would give him then.
Be brave Jules,do it,do it now. | |
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| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 10:05 - Jul 20 with 1367 views | KGriz16 |
| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 09:55 - Jul 20 by Chief |
Based on what though? |
When both forum are discussing it. Vague posts on both forums from the runners of the forums. I think something is happening. There's been a real lack of interaction between manager and fans. I've always thought it was all BS, but the more I think about it, the more it seems this is gathering pace. Like other posters have said, I think there's a game of chess being played at the club between Winter and Cooper.
For all our success under Cooper, I'm really keen to see Toshack here now. | | | |
| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 10:31 - Jul 20 with 1268 views | nantywatcher |
| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 09:57 - Jul 20 by vetchonian |
You are spot on here Chief
You would think the club would want it done so the new person can get in and get on..for me I am sure if Cooper was off he would not be taking training,or anywhere near the club..and the club would have made a statement to the lines
It has been mutually agreed that Steve Cooper and Swansea CIty FC will part company, we thank Steve and his staff for their valuable contribution over the past two seasons and wish them well for the future.Whilst contractual issues are resolved Steve and his team will be on gardeneing leave.
An announcement regarding a new management team will follow. |
"You would think the club," So what is the "club?" Owned and controlled by 20 odd Americans who give the meaning of "at arm's lengths " a whole new meaning. A CEO who is passing through as one of many positions he will hold over his career. A few old faces that lurk around in the background. The only substance or history with the club rests within the memories of its supporters, who in all honesty are not the most helpful and supportive at the best of times. Swansea City could do with 3/4 years of stability, PROGRESS might well be somewhere down the road if we are subjected to more upheaval. If Mr Cooper wants to stay I will be 100% behind him | | | |
| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 10:39 - Jul 20 with 1235 views | vetchonian |
| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 10:31 - Jul 20 by nantywatcher |
"You would think the club," So what is the "club?" Owned and controlled by 20 odd Americans who give the meaning of "at arm's lengths " a whole new meaning. A CEO who is passing through as one of many positions he will hold over his career. A few old faces that lurk around in the background. The only substance or history with the club rests within the memories of its supporters, who in all honesty are not the most helpful and supportive at the best of times. Swansea City could do with 3/4 years of stability, PROGRESS might well be somewhere down the road if we are subjected to more upheaval. If Mr Cooper wants to stay I will be 100% behind him |
Im with you..I personally do not want to see Cooper go I think he has a lot to offer and we as a club need a bit of stability and when was the last time we had a manger for 3 consecutive seasons?
My post was trying to aplly some logic ...surely if Cooper is out and wanted so by the club the way to do so is as I suggested.
I cannot believe we are at such a critical stage of the close season and we appear now to be "fannying" around with the managers position | |
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| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 10:42 - Jul 20 with 1216 views | Catullus |
| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 10:05 - Jul 20 by KGriz16 |
When both forum are discussing it. Vague posts on both forums from the runners of the forums. I think something is happening. There's been a real lack of interaction between manager and fans. I've always thought it was all BS, but the more I think about it, the more it seems this is gathering pace. Like other posters have said, I think there's a game of chess being played at the club between Winter and Cooper.
For all our success under Cooper, I'm really keen to see Toshack here now. |
Some people post on both sites and will post the same opinions on both sites, that doesn't really indicate anything, it does spread the rumour but that is all. It doesn't make it any more or less true, it's still just a rumour until something definite happens.
Unless of course, the person posting it is actually Julain Winter, is he a member here Keith  | |
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| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 10:43 - Jul 20 with 1201 views | onehunglow |
| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 10:39 - Jul 20 by vetchonian |
Im with you..I personally do not want to see Cooper go I think he has a lot to offer and we as a club need a bit of stability and when was the last time we had a manger for 3 consecutive seasons?
My post was trying to aplly some logic ...surely if Cooper is out and wanted so by the club the way to do so is as I suggested.
I cannot believe we are at such a critical stage of the close season and we appear now to be "fannying" around with the managers position |
I can.We have form for doing just that ,as we do players.
We truly need a committed manager more than ever | |
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| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 11:31 - Jul 20 with 1052 views | Thornburyswan |
| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 09:46 - Jul 20 by Chief |
This is certainly being dragged out now, obviously perpetuated by articles like this and posts on forums and Twitter from people 'ITK'.
So cutting through all the bluster, because there's little fact out there for what I can see....
If there is something to these rumours what is holding it up? Can't agree a compensation package for him to go or what? |
I suspect Chief that both Cooper & the club are playing poker with neither wanting to make the first move, Cooper has to be paid up if sacked & the club would prefer the compensation for him & his back room boys - bit like a player not handing a transfer request in when linked with other clubs.
Cooper has the security of a further year’s contract plus decent reputation with young players but is risking that if he stays & we struggle next season.
I get the vibe that both Cooper & the club have broadly had enough of each other but neither want to lose out financially or in ego terms - best outcome with seemingly few decent jobs up for grabs would be a ‘mutually agreed split’ plus ‘thanks for his hard work’ but that needs agreeing this week for me.
PS interesting that Lee Carsley has still not been confirmed in England U21 job | | | |
| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 11:39 - Jul 20 with 1022 views | guthrieintherain |
| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 11:31 - Jul 20 by Thornburyswan |
I suspect Chief that both Cooper & the club are playing poker with neither wanting to make the first move, Cooper has to be paid up if sacked & the club would prefer the compensation for him & his back room boys - bit like a player not handing a transfer request in when linked with other clubs.
Cooper has the security of a further year’s contract plus decent reputation with young players but is risking that if he stays & we struggle next season.
I get the vibe that both Cooper & the club have broadly had enough of each other but neither want to lose out financially or in ego terms - best outcome with seemingly few decent jobs up for grabs would be a ‘mutually agreed split’ plus ‘thanks for his hard work’ but that needs agreeing this week for me.
PS interesting that Lee Carsley has still not been confirmed in England U21 job |
If Cooper is not happy he should walk.
Didn,"t complain about the terms when he signed the contract.
And it's nobody's fault bar his own that no other club wants him enough to pay compo.
His dire style of football and a woeful performance at Wembley will have put many off.
Myself included. | |
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| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 12:14 - Jul 20 with 933 views | Dr_Winston |
| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 11:31 - Jul 20 by Thornburyswan |
I suspect Chief that both Cooper & the club are playing poker with neither wanting to make the first move, Cooper has to be paid up if sacked & the club would prefer the compensation for him & his back room boys - bit like a player not handing a transfer request in when linked with other clubs.
Cooper has the security of a further year’s contract plus decent reputation with young players but is risking that if he stays & we struggle next season.
I get the vibe that both Cooper & the club have broadly had enough of each other but neither want to lose out financially or in ego terms - best outcome with seemingly few decent jobs up for grabs would be a ‘mutually agreed split’ plus ‘thanks for his hard work’ but that needs agreeing this week for me.
PS interesting that Lee Carsley has still not been confirmed in England U21 job |
Your third paragraph is where I am.
Seems apparent that Cooper would prefer to be elsewhere and that the club don't really care at this point if he was. The lack of interest from other clubs after two "successful" seasons has probably put a bit of a dent in his ego and left him casting around for options.
The club would have preferred someone to take him off our hands and provide a bit of compo but as that hasn't happened yet they're willing to let him do all the running and will sit quietly by whilst avoidling any actions that could be construed as constructive dismissal. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 12:24 - Jul 20 with 904 views | Whiterockin |
| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 12:14 - Jul 20 by Dr_Winston |
Your third paragraph is where I am.
Seems apparent that Cooper would prefer to be elsewhere and that the club don't really care at this point if he was. The lack of interest from other clubs after two "successful" seasons has probably put a bit of a dent in his ego and left him casting around for options.
The club would have preferred someone to take him off our hands and provide a bit of compo but as that hasn't happened yet they're willing to let him do all the running and will sit quietly by whilst avoidling any actions that could be construed as constructive dismissal. |
The are club are probably holding out to save paying up the years contact for Cooper plus his coaching staff. Any idea how much Cooper is on? |  | | |
| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 12:27 - Jul 20 with 889 views | Dr_Winston |
| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 12:24 - Jul 20 by Whiterockin |
The are club are probably holding out to save paying up the years contact for Cooper plus his coaching staff. Any idea how much Cooper is on? |
Yep.
So far they're playing very nicely to avoid the impression that we're pushing him out of the door. Doesn't look like we're going to make the decision for him, not yet at least. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 12:31 - Jul 20 with 868 views | Whiterockin |
| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 12:27 - Jul 20 by Dr_Winston |
Yep.
So far they're playing very nicely to avoid the impression that we're pushing him out of the door. Doesn't look like we're going to make the decision for him, not yet at least. |
Could be interesting if this drags on until the start of the season with supporters in the ground. | | | |
| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 12:32 - Jul 20 with 858 views | Dr_Parnassus |
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| Grave concern for Steve Coopers future is hampering Swansea’s progress on 12:33 - Jul 20 with 853 views | Badlands |
Or, palace looked at our table finishes and saw a club that had improved on finishing position and reached successive play offs. They saw a manger who had lifted the World Cup with Under 17 and heard many loanees and ex-players being positive about Swansea so decided to take a closer look at Cooper.
Cooper was, as almost any Championship manager would be, flattered by the attention and sought and was given permission to respond.
Palace met him and looked at tapes of our games and lost interest.
As ith players the attention may have destabilised his commitment to the Swans.
If he stays I am sure he is professional enough to carry on as before.
Carrying on as before really doesn’t excite me. |  |
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