| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” 23:28 - Aug 10 with 3029 views | KeithHaynes |
The Jack Army shouted "We want you to stay" on numerous occasions towards their skipper. And Martin delivered a brilliant response when asked if he heard the chants aimed at the central midfielder. “I joined in," he said.
"Anyone who sits in this chair and says, a player of that calibre, if they want him to leave then they'd be crazy. He really suits what we're doing, mentally with his character, with his attitude and his courage on the ball. Technically, he could play in any team. "So nothing's changed really with Grimesy. We want to keep him. We'll have to see how that pans out."
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| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 08:14 - Aug 11 with 2044 views | angryjack |
Said it all along him and dhanda are quality footballers who were ruined by Cooper.. got shot down for saying it too..watch dhanda and grimes if he stays flourish this season |  | | |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 08:44 - Aug 11 with 2005 views | Chief |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 08:14 - Aug 11 by angryjack |
Said it all along him and dhanda are quality footballers who were ruined by Cooper.. got shot down for saying it too..watch dhanda and grimes if he stays flourish this season |
Oh yea it's not like Dhanda flattered to deceive under Potter too. |  |
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| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 08:47 - Aug 11 with 1999 views | Dr_Winston |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 08:44 - Aug 11 by Chief |
Oh yea it's not like Dhanda flattered to deceive under Potter too. |
He didn't though. He looked exactly what he was. A young player with talent who needed a year or two of first team football to develop.
Ultimately in the long term he may still fail to develop in the right way and not really cut it. Point is the last two years weren't surroundings in which a player like Dhanda is going to flourish. He has a chance now. Down to him to take it. [Post edited 11 Aug 2021 8:50]
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| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 08:55 - Aug 11 with 1975 views | angryjack |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 08:44 - Aug 11 by Chief |
Oh yea it's not like Dhanda flattered to deceive under Potter too. |
He was only 18 19 when Potter was here just breaking through,you could see he had talent and Potter was using him wisely,now he's in a footballing team again he will flourish Cooper ruined any good footballers we had..I say it again and stand by it grimes and dhanda are excellent footballers | | | |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 09:13 - Aug 11 with 1933 views | Chief |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 08:47 - Aug 11 by Dr_Winston |
He didn't though. He looked exactly what he was. A young player with talent who needed a year or two of first team football to develop.
Ultimately in the long term he may still fail to develop in the right way and not really cut it. Point is the last two years weren't surroundings in which a player like Dhanda is going to flourish. He has a chance now. Down to him to take it. [Post edited 11 Aug 2021 8:50]
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Haha Potter played him 6 times. 6 appearances.
I know you're desperate to try and discredit Cooper in every possible way, but this is getting silly now.
In the next 2 seasons under Cooper he played 19 and 30 times.
He has a chance now!? Martin started a free agent who we signed the day before in his first league match ahead of him!
Not everything is Cooper's fault. | |
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| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 09:17 - Aug 11 with 1919 views | Swans9 |
Hard to believe the stick Cooper has taken for finishing 6 and 4. Hope Cooper doesn't read forums he nowhere near bad as many on planet swans make out who have absolutely slated him. | | | |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 09:22 - Aug 11 with 1900 views | angryjack |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 09:13 - Aug 11 by Chief |
Haha Potter played him 6 times. 6 appearances.
I know you're desperate to try and discredit Cooper in every possible way, but this is getting silly now.
In the next 2 seasons under Cooper he played 19 and 30 times.
He has a chance now!? Martin started a free agent who we signed the day before in his first league match ahead of him!
Not everything is Cooper's fault. |
Because he was young and Potter was nurturing g him,the boy is the most talented foitbalker in our squad,in a footballing side he will be the player that he is...horses for courses didn't suit coopers mundane negative style no did grimes. | | | |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 09:47 - Aug 11 with 1837 views | pencoedjack |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 09:22 - Aug 11 by angryjack |
Because he was young and Potter was nurturing g him,the boy is the most talented foitbalker in our squad,in a footballing side he will be the player that he is...horses for courses didn't suit coopers mundane negative style no did grimes. |
“The most talented footballer in our squad’
Dear God. |  | | |
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| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 09:57 - Aug 11 with 1802 views | Catullus |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 09:22 - Aug 11 by angryjack |
Because he was young and Potter was nurturing g him,the boy is the most talented foitbalker in our squad,in a footballing side he will be the player that he is...horses for courses didn't suit coopers mundane negative style no did grimes. |
The most talented? I think he'll do better under Martin too but I think saying most talented is questionable.. He has talent and skill but he needs to develop and learn to deal with the more physical aspects of football.
Cooper strangled the life out of our football. He got results yes but the football was ugly. Players like Dhanda struggled to impress.
Maybe there's more evidence for that with Grimes, lets see the difference in him (if he stays) under a manager that encourages a more attractive style. | |
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| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 10:04 - Aug 11 with 1783 views | jack247 |
Could be something in this. Martin seems to have got what he wanted from the owners so far to be fair. The Garner loan seems to have gone a bit quiet too, potentially no need if Grimes can be convinced to sign a new contract.
Ok, a couple may be injury prone, but Grimes, Fulton, Patterson, Walsh, Downes, Smith looks a decent set of midfield options. | | | |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 10:51 - Aug 11 with 1724 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 08:44 - Aug 11 by Chief |
Oh yea it's not like Dhanda flattered to deceive under Potter too. |
There is clearly an agenda to be had.
Sadly the fraudulent framing of things didn’t end this summer and we are in for a fair bit of it this season too.
Potter using Dhanda 6 times was “using him wisely”, Cooper using him more is “mismanaging him”… see any other player that applies to, Cullen a fine example too… ad nauseam.
Yawn [Post edited 11 Aug 2021 10:55]
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| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 11:10 - Aug 11 with 1690 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 10:04 - Aug 11 by jack247 |
Could be something in this. Martin seems to have got what he wanted from the owners so far to be fair. The Garner loan seems to have gone a bit quiet too, potentially no need if Grimes can be convinced to sign a new contract.
Ok, a couple may be injury prone, but Grimes, Fulton, Patterson, Walsh, Downes, Smith looks a decent set of midfield options. |
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/
He wanted assurances on certain arrivals before accepting the job and he has got them.
I can see Grimes staying, and with the rumours today Lowe is of interest to Anderlecht, it could happen. |  | | |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 12:19 - Aug 11 with 1551 views | vetchonian |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 11:10 - Aug 11 by 34dfgdf54 |
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/
He wanted assurances on certain arrivals before accepting the job and he has got them.
I can see Grimes staying, and with the rumours today Lowe is of interest to Anderlecht, it could happen. |
that and no one seems to be beating down our door to buy Grimes...
He is a good player for us lets hope he stays...maybe the sale of Lowe will mean he will..
As I said previously...whilst there will be those of us who see him as an "outstanding" player and believed he would be playing in the PL this season seem to be proven wrong....whilst he appears to "shine" for us he doesnt seem to have enough for others to want to spend...though Fulham may still yet, the Brighton link has died down too.
Seems the "overuse" of Lowe last season may pay dividends! | |
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| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 12:45 - Aug 11 with 1502 views | angryjack |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 09:47 - Aug 11 by pencoedjack |
“The most talented footballer in our squad’
Dear God. |
Tell me who is a better technically footballer then maybe grimes that's it...dhanda is quality and given chance in this footballing team it will shine through | | | |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 14:10 - Aug 11 with 1387 views | jasper_T |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 10:04 - Aug 11 by jack247 |
Could be something in this. Martin seems to have got what he wanted from the owners so far to be fair. The Garner loan seems to have gone a bit quiet too, potentially no need if Grimes can be convinced to sign a new contract.
Ok, a couple may be injury prone, but Grimes, Fulton, Patterson, Walsh, Downes, Smith looks a decent set of midfield options. |
Shouldn't overlook Williams after last night's performance. Tempting since he's a local product we didn't pay a fee for, I know. | | | |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 14:21 - Aug 11 with 1359 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 14:10 - Aug 11 by jasper_T |
Shouldn't overlook Williams after last night's performance. Tempting since he's a local product we didn't pay a fee for, I know. |
Who have we overlooked that we shouldn’t have?
We have an excellent record of giving players that deserve it a chance.
No idea where this notion has popped up from, it’s just simply not true. Allen, Davies, Cabango, Cullen, Rodon et al will tell you the same. | |
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| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 14:37 - Aug 11 with 1323 views | jack247 |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 14:10 - Aug 11 by jasper_T |
Shouldn't overlook Williams after last night's performance. Tempting since he's a local product we didn't pay a fee for, I know. |
I couldn’t get a stream for yesterdays game. What did you think of his performance?
I think it was you that said we shouldn’t read too much into last night due to the age and quality of Readings team?
As you know though, if he is good enough, he won’t be overlooked. The club have a great record in that department. | | | |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 14:42 - Aug 11 with 1310 views | jack247 |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 14:21 - Aug 11 by Dr_Parnassus |
Who have we overlooked that we shouldn’t have?
We have an excellent record of giving players that deserve it a chance.
No idea where this notion has popped up from, it’s just simply not true. Allen, Davies, Cabango, Cullen, Rodon et al will tell you the same. |
Nobody. It’s a dig at me for saying academy products should only be played when they merit it and those that have been highly touted but not given much of a run in the first team are now invariably playing below Championship level. | | | |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 14:50 - Aug 11 with 1291 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 14:42 - Aug 11 by jack247 |
Nobody. It’s a dig at me for saying academy products should only be played when they merit it and those that have been highly touted but not given much of a run in the first team are now invariably playing below Championship level. |
You are absolutely spot on. Without question.
As youth policies go, ours has to be right up there with that of the likes of Southampton. Very little slips through our net once they are in the club. We seem to identify them and blood them extremely well if their talent deserves it.
Those that do go on to have careers after we let them go tend to prove that their level was generally well below what would be required to start for us regularly anyway.
We may do a few things wrong as a club, blooding youth isn’t one of them. | |
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| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 15:30 - Aug 11 with 1221 views | jasper_T |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 14:21 - Aug 11 by Dr_Parnassus |
Who have we overlooked that we shouldn’t have?
We have an excellent record of giving players that deserve it a chance.
No idea where this notion has popped up from, it’s just simply not true. Allen, Davies, Cabango, Cullen, Rodon et al will tell you the same. |
jack247 overlooked Williams, in the list he typed. | | | |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 15:34 - Aug 11 with 1210 views | jasper_T |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 14:50 - Aug 11 by Dr_Parnassus |
You are absolutely spot on. Without question.
As youth policies go, ours has to be right up there with that of the likes of Southampton. Very little slips through our net once they are in the club. We seem to identify them and blood them extremely well if their talent deserves it.
Those that do go on to have careers after we let them go tend to prove that their level was generally well below what would be required to start for us regularly anyway.
We may do a few things wrong as a club, blooding youth isn’t one of them. |
Good lord we've got a way to go until we've got the same record as Southampton. You can count our senior products in the last decade on two hands. One season where the dam burst due to relegation and some people believe we're uniquely productive. | | | |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 16:48 - Aug 11 with 1119 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 15:34 - Aug 11 by jasper_T |
Good lord we've got a way to go until we've got the same record as Southampton. You can count our senior products in the last decade on two hands. One season where the dam burst due to relegation and some people believe we're uniquely productive. |
I didn’t say we had the same record, I said our youth policy is up there with theirs. Not the output was the same.
In the sense that if we have a youngster in our system that has talent, he will break through. Southampton have no fear of putting youth products in their side if they merit it, and neither do we.
As I said, you wouldn’t have to use many fingers (maybe even just one) to look at the last 20 years and find a youth product we have not given a chance to who has then gone on to prove we were wrong not to. | |
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| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 17:25 - Aug 11 with 1055 views | jasper_T |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 16:48 - Aug 11 by Dr_Parnassus |
I didn’t say we had the same record, I said our youth policy is up there with theirs. Not the output was the same.
In the sense that if we have a youngster in our system that has talent, he will break through. Southampton have no fear of putting youth products in their side if they merit it, and neither do we.
As I said, you wouldn’t have to use many fingers (maybe even just one) to look at the last 20 years and find a youth product we have not given a chance to who has then gone on to prove we were wrong not to. |
It's not up there with theirs. The difference between us and a Southampton or a Man Utd is that they have found ways to blood youth consistently over a period much longer than the 3 years we've done it, and do so while at the top competitive level. When we were in the PL sod all came through. A few half million £ Scotsmen got brief spells and that was it between Ben Davies and Connor Roberts. Players promised end of season minutes when we were safe from relegation rarely even got that. Makes you laugh when those players are expected to show loyalty after they become stars.
Even saying three years for us is a bit much. Last season it was 22 year old Liam Cullen and some loaned in players from other academies. A few cup cameos when senior players were injured/wanted resting otherwise.
Many of Southampton's products don't go on to stay at their level either. Does that make them wrong to have promoted them and given them the chance? Paddy McNair is a Championship footballer so Man Utd wasted their time playing him 24 times in the Premier League? It's a strange way of looking at it imo. | | | |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 17:29 - Aug 11 with 1043 views | jasper_T |
Ryan Hedges might be back in the Championship before long. Boro and Blackburn in for him. | | | |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 17:33 - Aug 11 with 1034 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swans fans in Reading “ Matt Grimes” on 17:25 - Aug 11 by jasper_T |
It's not up there with theirs. The difference between us and a Southampton or a Man Utd is that they have found ways to blood youth consistently over a period much longer than the 3 years we've done it, and do so while at the top competitive level. When we were in the PL sod all came through. A few half million £ Scotsmen got brief spells and that was it between Ben Davies and Connor Roberts. Players promised end of season minutes when we were safe from relegation rarely even got that. Makes you laugh when those players are expected to show loyalty after they become stars.
Even saying three years for us is a bit much. Last season it was 22 year old Liam Cullen and some loaned in players from other academies. A few cup cameos when senior players were injured/wanted resting otherwise.
Many of Southampton's products don't go on to stay at their level either. Does that make them wrong to have promoted them and given them the chance? Paddy McNair is a Championship footballer so Man Utd wasted their time playing him 24 times in the Premier League? It's a strange way of looking at it imo. |
It is up there with theirs, for the reason I gave. Our policy is that if they are good enough then they will get their chance, as is Southampton’s. Most other clubs have a long list of examples of youth products they have let go that go on to bigger and better things.
It’s pointless in looking in areas I have not addressed to say why it’s not the same. I have given the area it’s the same and that is simply the policy that if they are good enough then they play. That is proven by the lack of players we have let go that have shown we were wrong to.
This conversation is regarding you making the point that we don’t give youth a chance, no other area of our youth policy has been discussed. So the comparison with Southampton is solely in that policy that we do.
If you have an issue with the amount we produce then that’s another debate altogether. What I am saying is that what talent we do have, that is worthy of playing, they play.
That’s as clear as day. Norrington-Davies Is the only example of the last 15 years isn’t he? I can’t think of anyone who has shown themselves worthy of playing regular top half Championship football.
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