| Plans to change GCSE's 19:31 - Oct 15 with 2512 views | Catullus |
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/education/teachers-scientists-serious-concern
Despite educations experts having very large doubts about this, and despite the majority in their consultation being against it, the Senedd are ploughing on regardless.
This is why the Senedd gets criticised. They are no better than Westminster, once they have decided it's what they want, it doesn't matter what the people want or what other experts say, they do it anyway. Surely pushing on with this right now is a mistake? |  |
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| Plans to change GCSE's on 20:18 - Oct 15 with 1982 views | felixstowe_jack |
Thw Senedd have to justify their existence and their demands for another 30 members to ease their work load | |
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| Plans to change GCSE's on 20:29 - Oct 15 with 1973 views | Flashberryjack |
| Plans to change GCSE's on 20:18 - Oct 15 by felixstowe_jack |
Thw Senedd have to justify their existence and their demands for another 30 members to ease their work load |
I'd ease their work load to zero. |  |
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| Plans to change GCSE's on 20:40 - Oct 15 with 1964 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
Welsh children would be better served if Westminster retook control of education. Ever since devolution, the standard of education in Wales has fallen well short of England and the other devolved governments.
Welsh Labour fail Welsh children. |  |
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| Plans to change GCSE's on 20:47 - Oct 15 with 1953 views | Dr_Winston |
There isn't a single major marker for quality of life in Wales that has improved since 1999.
Voting "Yes" in the 1997 Referendum was an act of national self-sabotage. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Plans to change GCSE's on 00:27 - Oct 16 with 1889 views | CountyJim |
I must be old I've got cse's |  | | |
| Plans to change GCSE's on 00:35 - Oct 16 with 1886 views | Professor |
| Plans to change GCSE's on 00:27 - Oct 16 by CountyJim |
I must be old I've got cse's |
Like me Jim, not one GCSE | | | |
| Plans to change GCSE's on 10:00 - Oct 16 with 1837 views | Catullus |
| Plans to change GCSE's on 00:35 - Oct 16 by Professor |
Like me Jim, not one GCSE |
I have GCE's, CSE's and some kind of BTEC diploma. I look at some of the stuff my son is given to do and I do get concerned, it seems like things I'd done in school by rote aren't being done anymore and as a result my 13 year old son still doesn't know his times tables whereas I still do and could before I got to Comp. He cannot do basic maths in his head so I can see changes need to be made but at the right time and in the right way. | |
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| Plans to change GCSE's on 10:04 - Oct 16 with 1834 views | controversial_jack |
A govt making changes, whatever next? | | | |
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| Plans to change GCSE's on 10:17 - Oct 16 with 1832 views | oldtownjack |
| Plans to change GCSE's on 20:40 - Oct 15 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
Welsh children would be better served if Westminster retook control of education. Ever since devolution, the standard of education in Wales has fallen well short of England and the other devolved governments.
Welsh Labour fail Welsh children. |
Do you honestly believe Westminster has done a good job of educating English children over the last 10 years? Next you'll be telling me that Michael Gove did a great job as Education Secretary. | |
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| Plans to change GCSE's on 10:38 - Oct 16 with 1824 views | onehunglow |
| Plans to change GCSE's on 10:17 - Oct 16 by oldtownjack |
Do you honestly believe Westminster has done a good job of educating English children over the last 10 years? Next you'll be telling me that Michael Gove did a great job as Education Secretary. |
Mine seemed to done ok.
It was more like 15/20 but system still the same here. | |
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| Plans to change GCSE's on 11:00 - Oct 16 with 1817 views | Catullus |
| Plans to change GCSE's on 10:04 - Oct 16 by controversial_jack |
A govt making changes, whatever next? |
Changes for the better would be nice. Changes where change is needed would also be nice mind.
Change for the sake of it though, nah. | |
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| Plans to change GCSE's on 12:20 - Oct 16 with 1796 views | Gwyn737 |
| Plans to change GCSE's on 10:17 - Oct 16 by oldtownjack |
Do you honestly believe Westminster has done a good job of educating English children over the last 10 years? Next you'll be telling me that Michael Gove did a great job as Education Secretary. |
Some of Gove’s policies have been damaging and as a person I don’t like him or his politics.
However, he was a successful reformer and without doubt raised the standards bar. | | | |
| Plans to change GCSE's on 13:18 - Oct 16 with 1761 views | oldtownjack |
| Plans to change GCSE's on 12:20 - Oct 16 by Gwyn737 |
Some of Gove’s policies have been damaging and as a person I don’t like him or his politics.
However, he was a successful reformer and without doubt raised the standards bar. |
A successful reformer as in being successful at driving reform through? I would argue that his reforms came from an ideological rather than an educational base and have not been successful by and large. | |
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| Plans to change GCSE's on 13:24 - Oct 16 with 1757 views | Gwyn737 |
| Plans to change GCSE's on 13:18 - Oct 16 by oldtownjack |
A successful reformer as in being successful at driving reform through? I would argue that his reforms came from an ideological rather than an educational base and have not been successful by and large. |
I’m not championing him for one minute but I stand by what I said about standards.
It’s come at a huge cost, though. The syphoning off of public money into private hands has never been so overt and really took off with the academy agenda.
What’s gone on (and is still going on) through the pandemic has been an absolute scandal. | | | |
| Plans to change GCSE's on 13:26 - Oct 16 with 1757 views | jackrabbit |
| Plans to change GCSE's on 10:17 - Oct 16 by oldtownjack |
Do you honestly believe Westminster has done a good job of educating English children over the last 10 years? Next you'll be telling me that Michael Gove did a great job as Education Secretary. |
Michael Gove was an excellent Education Secretary. He must have been - teachers hated him!
He tackled grade inflation which was becoming farcical, and in my subject, Maths, he concentrated on getting the basics taught - the building blocks of arithmetic , times tables , addition, subtraction, multiplication and division, and the basics of algebra, trig and geometry. It’s no good teaching cumulative frequency, percentages, or quadratic factorisation for example, if kids can’t add, subtract, multiply and divide for example.
As a maths coach I have seen and attempted to remedy some horrendous skill shortages in kids who are shortly to face national exams like GCSE. I had a lot of respect for what Gove (and Nick Gibb) were trying to do. He took a similar approach to the teaching of English.
But of course popular prejudice has condemned him as useless. Far from it. |  | | |
| Plans to change GCSE's on 13:35 - Oct 16 with 1753 views | onehunglow |
| Plans to change GCSE's on 13:26 - Oct 16 by jackrabbit |
Michael Gove was an excellent Education Secretary. He must have been - teachers hated him!
He tackled grade inflation which was becoming farcical, and in my subject, Maths, he concentrated on getting the basics taught - the building blocks of arithmetic , times tables , addition, subtraction, multiplication and division, and the basics of algebra, trig and geometry. It’s no good teaching cumulative frequency, percentages, or quadratic factorisation for example, if kids can’t add, subtract, multiply and divide for example.
As a maths coach I have seen and attempted to remedy some horrendous skill shortages in kids who are shortly to face national exams like GCSE. I had a lot of respect for what Gove (and Nick Gibb) were trying to do. He took a similar approach to the teaching of English.
But of course popular prejudice has condemned him as useless. Far from it. |
Some post that.
We were flogged raw until we got our tables right | |
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| Plans to change GCSE's on 14:09 - Oct 16 with 1742 views | controversial_jack |
I didn't need much of that when i went into the workplace. Geometry, trig, Algebra, percentages were useful though | | | |
| Plans to change GCSE's on 14:25 - Oct 16 with 1734 views | jackrabbit |
| Plans to change GCSE's on 13:35 - Oct 16 by onehunglow |
Some post that.
We were flogged raw until we got our tables right |
Come on, he didn’t bring back flogging! Anyway you must have benefitted. Without arithmetic you can’t buy a bus ticket, a pint or a Swans season ticket without knowing how much change to expect. And you certainly wouldn’t know how to work out the interest or the payments on a car or house purchase. Arithmetic is a vital life skill. Well worth the odd flogging!  | | | |
| Plans to change GCSE's on 15:01 - Oct 16 with 1717 views | Catullus |
| Plans to change GCSE's on 14:25 - Oct 16 by jackrabbit |
Come on, he didn’t bring back flogging! Anyway you must have benefitted. Without arithmetic you can’t buy a bus ticket, a pint or a Swans season ticket without knowing how much change to expect. And you certainly wouldn’t know how to work out the interest or the payments on a car or house purchase. Arithmetic is a vital life skill. Well worth the odd flogging! |
OHL's school days were long before Gove!
I can't call it flogging but my teacher back in Dunn's lane Primary certainly punished you for not knowing your tables.
Mr Boyd, he looked like something out of a Dickens novel, mutton chops and high starched collars and all. | |
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| Plans to change GCSE's on 15:05 - Oct 16 with 1715 views | Gwyn737 |
| Plans to change GCSE's on 13:26 - Oct 16 by jackrabbit |
Michael Gove was an excellent Education Secretary. He must have been - teachers hated him!
He tackled grade inflation which was becoming farcical, and in my subject, Maths, he concentrated on getting the basics taught - the building blocks of arithmetic , times tables , addition, subtraction, multiplication and division, and the basics of algebra, trig and geometry. It’s no good teaching cumulative frequency, percentages, or quadratic factorisation for example, if kids can’t add, subtract, multiply and divide for example.
As a maths coach I have seen and attempted to remedy some horrendous skill shortages in kids who are shortly to face national exams like GCSE. I had a lot of respect for what Gove (and Nick Gibb) were trying to do. He took a similar approach to the teaching of English.
But of course popular prejudice has condemned him as useless. Far from it. |
Gove didn’t change the content or how much time is spent on each topic. What he do do was raise the bar in the curriculum by pushing requirements earlier into schooling. As I said he definitely had an impact on standards.
Gibb’s legacy is on early reading (particularly the teaching of synthetic phonics) which again has been pretty successful.
It’s just a shame that the current government stopped providing free centralised resources and now schools have to buy prescribed schemes off their mates (another negative of Gove’s legacy) | | | |
| Plans to change GCSE's on 15:13 - Oct 16 with 1713 views | oldtownjack |
| Plans to change GCSE's on 13:26 - Oct 16 by jackrabbit |
Michael Gove was an excellent Education Secretary. He must have been - teachers hated him!
He tackled grade inflation which was becoming farcical, and in my subject, Maths, he concentrated on getting the basics taught - the building blocks of arithmetic , times tables , addition, subtraction, multiplication and division, and the basics of algebra, trig and geometry. It’s no good teaching cumulative frequency, percentages, or quadratic factorisation for example, if kids can’t add, subtract, multiply and divide for example.
As a maths coach I have seen and attempted to remedy some horrendous skill shortages in kids who are shortly to face national exams like GCSE. I had a lot of respect for what Gove (and Nick Gibb) were trying to do. He took a similar approach to the teaching of English.
But of course popular prejudice has condemned him as useless. Far from it. |
Not popular prejudice at all, just someone who has been on the front line and seen first hand the impact of what he did. I'm not saying everything was awful but a lot of what he did has not been productive. Let's be honest your first line betrays your popular prejudice. Teachers/unions -bad, Michael Gove - good? Let's agree to differ on this one. | |
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| Plans to change GCSE's on 16:23 - Oct 16 with 1674 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
| Plans to change GCSE's on 10:17 - Oct 16 by oldtownjack |
Do you honestly believe Westminster has done a good job of educating English children over the last 10 years? Next you'll be telling me that Michael Gove did a great job as Education Secretary. |
Do I think they have done a good job of educating English children?
Compared to Wales... absolutely. The education of Welsh children has been disgraceful since education was devolved to Wales.
"The Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) tests taken by teenagers across the world in 2009 and published a year later in 2010, had a considerable impact on Wales’ school system and can be considered a major turning point for Welsh education post-devolution. A measure of the knowledge and core skills of 15-year-olds as they near the end of their compulsory education, PISA showed student performance in Wales to be significantly below the rest of the UK and the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) average in reading, mathematics and science (NFER 2010). The attainment of Welsh 15-year-olds in all three domains was lower than that recorded previously in 2006 (when Wales participated in its own right in PISA for the first time) and Leighton Andrews, who replaced Hutt as education minister in late 2009, described the scores as a ‘wake-up call to a complacent system’ (Dauncey 2016)."
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10833-021-09422-6
Welsh pupils have tested below their English counterparts in every PISA category since 2006 as well, by the way...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-50629432
It is quite frankly disgraceful that it continues to this day. Let's hope the latest curriculum reform helps close the gap. | |
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| Plans to change GCSE's on 16:44 - Oct 16 with 1667 views | onehunglow |
| Plans to change GCSE's on 15:01 - Oct 16 by Catullus |
OHL's school days were long before Gove!
I can't call it flogging but my teacher back in Dunn's lane Primary certainly punished you for not knowing your tables.
Mr Boyd, he looked like something out of a Dickens novel, mutton chops and high starched collars and all. |
Yes but in Grammar schools today,old fashioned values remain although flogging and fagging are now banned.
I did ok thanks.
The ignorance around these days is staggering as any quiz show will evidence. | |
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| Plans to change GCSE's on 17:17 - Oct 16 with 1652 views | controversial_jack |
| Plans to change GCSE's on 16:23 - Oct 16 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
Do I think they have done a good job of educating English children?
Compared to Wales... absolutely. The education of Welsh children has been disgraceful since education was devolved to Wales.
"The Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) tests taken by teenagers across the world in 2009 and published a year later in 2010, had a considerable impact on Wales’ school system and can be considered a major turning point for Welsh education post-devolution. A measure of the knowledge and core skills of 15-year-olds as they near the end of their compulsory education, PISA showed student performance in Wales to be significantly below the rest of the UK and the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) average in reading, mathematics and science (NFER 2010). The attainment of Welsh 15-year-olds in all three domains was lower than that recorded previously in 2006 (when Wales participated in its own right in PISA for the first time) and Leighton Andrews, who replaced Hutt as education minister in late 2009, described the scores as a ‘wake-up call to a complacent system’ (Dauncey 2016)."
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10833-021-09422-6
Welsh pupils have tested below their English counterparts in every PISA category since 2006 as well, by the way...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-50629432
It is quite frankly disgraceful that it continues to this day. Let's hope the latest curriculum reform helps close the gap. |
I remember back decades, the Northern Education board exams were always deemed more demanding than the WJEC, so it's nothing new and can't be blamed on devolution | | | |
| Plans to change GCSE's on 18:27 - Oct 16 with 1634 views | jackrabbit |
| Plans to change GCSE's on 15:13 - Oct 16 by oldtownjack |
Not popular prejudice at all, just someone who has been on the front line and seen first hand the impact of what he did. I'm not saying everything was awful but a lot of what he did has not been productive. Let's be honest your first line betrays your popular prejudice. Teachers/unions -bad, Michael Gove - good? Let's agree to differ on this one. |
My comment about teachers hating him was a flippant throw-away. I mean no disrespect to teachers - i’ve been there and done it. I know what it takes. But Gove didn’t go after teachers - he went after standards and course content and his influence was a positive one. | | | |
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