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Downes 21:32 - Dec 12 with 2174 viewsbuilthjack

Suspended for the next game ( 5 bookings, although yesterdays was a diabolical decision from the ref).
When he comes back, I would stick Grimes on the bench and get Downes in front of a back 4.
He passes forward !!!!!!!!!

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Downes on 21:34 - Dec 12 with 1773 viewsDr_Winston

Obvious to most people by now that building a team around Matt Grimes is asking for trouble. Downes is the future.

Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.

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Downes on 21:36 - Dec 12 with 1776 viewsbuilthjack

Downes on 21:34 - Dec 12 by Dr_Winston

Obvious to most people by now that building a team around Matt Grimes is asking for trouble. Downes is the future.


Absolutely. Perchy would agree with you

Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.

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Downes on 21:47 - Dec 12 with 1757 viewsgrabsplatter

Bloody annoying because that was a good tackle, not even a foul 🙄
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Downes on 22:00 - Dec 12 with 1735 viewsnantywatcher

Downes on 21:34 - Dec 12 by Dr_Winston

Obvious to most people by now that building a team around Matt Grimes is asking for trouble. Downes is the future.


Downes is the future! Well in that case we are then most certainly well and truly fu##ed.
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Downes on 02:15 - Dec 13 with 1660 viewsWhiterockin

Downes on 22:00 - Dec 12 by nantywatcher

Downes is the future! Well in that case we are then most certainly well and truly fu##ed.


He is destined to play at a far higher level, a player of real quality.
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Downes on 07:22 - Dec 13 with 1595 viewsThornburyswan

Think he is ok as the suspension after 5 yellows changed after 19 matches.
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Downes on 07:30 - Dec 13 with 1590 viewsfelixstowe_jack

Time to play a proper back four with full backs and centre halfs in their correct positions. Then Grimes and Downes can play in their proper midfield positions.

Will Martin ever learn or is he just inept or too stubborn

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Downes on 10:31 - Dec 13 with 1513 viewsCatullus

Downes on 07:30 - Dec 13 by felixstowe_jack

Time to play a proper back four with full backs and centre halfs in their correct positions. Then Grimes and Downes can play in their proper midfield positions.

Will Martin ever learn or is he just inept or too stubborn


I've come to think he's a bit of both actually. He's inept as he keeps putting square pegs in round holes long after most of us can see it's not working and stubborn because he keeps on doing it. He can't admit he's wrong which makes OHL right about him being arrogant.

He's had some time, he should have learned and made the necessary changes for the good of the team. Some of our players had improved but now they're going backwards again, Manning, Grimes.

I'm still hopeful he can get it right but we need the January window to see who we bring in.

On the OP, Downes was one of the few bright spots from Saturday, he kept trying to drive forward, kept going past the oppo, shame he had very little help.

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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Downes on 10:42 - Dec 13 with 1503 views34dfgdf54

Downes on 21:34 - Dec 12 by Dr_Winston

Obvious to most people by now that building a team around Matt Grimes is asking for trouble. Downes is the future.


Saturday was the first time I've started to get doubts regarding Grimes. He has been out of form since signing contract and could do with a rest in my opinion.
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Downes on 10:54 - Dec 13 with 1500 viewsCatullus

Downes on 10:42 - Dec 13 by 34dfgdf54

Saturday was the first time I've started to get doubts regarding Grimes. He has been out of form since signing contract and could do with a rest in my opinion.


A cynic might say that he doesn't care now he's signed an improved contract. There's been plenty of players whose form goes bad after a new deal. I think he wanted to leave but when nobody would pay what we wanted he was stuck so he made the effort here. I don't know how 'improved' his contract is but now it's signed and sealed it's back to normal.

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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Downes on 11:27 - Dec 13 with 1455 viewsonehunglow

Downes on 21:36 - Dec 12 by builthjack

Absolutely. Perchy would agree with you


perchy agrees with much what Winston says, as he does you.
From beyond the grave

Downes is by far our best all round player and Grimes holds us back.

It's why I'm not a Russ fan.

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Downes on 11:31 - Dec 13 with 1453 viewsonehunglow

Downes on 10:54 - Dec 13 by Catullus

A cynic might say that he doesn't care now he's signed an improved contract. There's been plenty of players whose form goes bad after a new deal. I think he wanted to leave but when nobody would pay what we wanted he was stuck so he made the effort here. I don't know how 'improved' his contract is but now it's signed and sealed it's back to normal.


Make no mistake.
Grimes has been rumbled and we will struggle to offload him never min sell.
He is weak in mind and body,a shocking deliverer of a dead ball,inaccurate passer and unbelievably slow.
That Downes has been subbed for the likes of Smith to come on and Grimes to stay on shows how dumb Martin is.

Be afraid when other clubs see his frustration and he looks for a move. Martin is and will slowly destroy him . Writing is on the wall.

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Downes on 12:23 - Dec 13 with 1453 viewsFlynnidine_Zidownes

We are so easy to defend against for the most part, playing simple passes into safe areas, but we looked the most threatening in the first half when Downes dribbled the ball forward into midfield. When we do that it causes the opposition a problem because they have to move out of their areas and it pulls one of their midfielders out. We didn’t do it at all second half. We need a player to carry the ball at them and he seems to be the only one who wants to do it.
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Downes on 12:33 - Dec 13 with 1433 viewsonehunglow

Downes on 12:23 - Dec 13 by Flynnidine_Zidownes

We are so easy to defend against for the most part, playing simple passes into safe areas, but we looked the most threatening in the first half when Downes dribbled the ball forward into midfield. When we do that it causes the opposition a problem because they have to move out of their areas and it pulls one of their midfielders out. We didn’t do it at all second half. We need a player to carry the ball at them and he seems to be the only one who wants to do it.


Downes is smooth and skilful and the team should be built around the lad.He is a captain .
He was the only one moving forwards and it's deeply upsetting to see him wasted.

A tremendous lad

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Downes on 15:33 - Dec 13 with 1392 viewsTreforys_Jack

Downes on 10:54 - Dec 13 by Catullus

A cynic might say that he doesn't care now he's signed an improved contract. There's been plenty of players whose form goes bad after a new deal. I think he wanted to leave but when nobody would pay what we wanted he was stuck so he made the effort here. I don't know how 'improved' his contract is but now it's signed and sealed it's back to normal.


Yep, pretty much where I'm at.
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Downes on 16:32 - Dec 13 with 1344 viewsonehunglow

Downes on 10:54 - Dec 13 by Catullus

A cynic might say that he doesn't care now he's signed an improved contract. There's been plenty of players whose form goes bad after a new deal. I think he wanted to leave but when nobody would pay what we wanted he was stuck so he made the effort here. I don't know how 'improved' his contract is but now it's signed and sealed it's back to normal.


Agreed totally

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Downes on 16:49 - Dec 13 with 1354 viewsCatullus

Downes on 15:33 - Dec 13 by Treforys_Jack

Yep, pretty much where I'm at.


For the avoidance of any doubt, yes, I am a cynic!

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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Downes on 16:53 - Dec 13 with 1323 viewsonehunglow

Downes on 16:49 - Dec 13 by Catullus

For the avoidance of any doubt, yes, I am a cynic!


Join me on the Fence

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Downes on 07:42 - Dec 15 with 1185 viewsAguycalledJack

With the QPR postponed does the suspension get rolled onto the next game?
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Downes on 08:30 - Dec 15 with 1163 viewsThornburyswan

Downes on 07:42 - Dec 15 by AguycalledJack

With the QPR postponed does the suspension get rolled onto the next game?


Don’t think he is suspended as we’ve passed the 19 match point just not sure what the next suspension point is, might be 10 yellows by week 32 so believe he is fine.
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Downes on 21:36 - Dec 16 with 1074 viewsAndyCole

Downes on 21:34 - Dec 12 by Dr_Winston

Obvious to most people by now that building a team around Matt Grimes is asking for trouble. Downes is the future.


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Oh dear, clearly still 'Missing something' as previously, famously self confessed.

'Missing everything' is far more apt nowadays. Clueless.

Downes plays so deep, whether in CM or as CB, the cleverer managers discount his presence. He's almost anonymous. Not what we want from a CM.

Cooperball did a number on Martinball by nullifying our talisman and heartbeat, Grimes. Grimesy had nowhere to turn, totally marked out of the game. As such Martin got beasted by a master tactician, negating our foothold, momentum and pulse.

Cooper knew he didn't need to bother with Downes, hence left him to his devices, going nowhere. He allowed him to drift fwd, with no purpose. Had Downes played in Grimesy's space we would have been utterly hammered, and with zero go-fwd, even less chances than we were able to conjure with Grimes single handedly doing his level best to counter Cooperball's masterful tactics.

Stick to the non-football forum.


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Downes on 21:57 - Dec 16 with 1066 viewsDr_Winston

Downes on 10:42 - Dec 13 by 34dfgdf54

Saturday was the first time I've started to get doubts regarding Grimes. He has been out of form since signing contract and could do with a rest in my opinion.


He doesn't even have the decency to be shite.

He's very capable if all you want him to do is pass it backwards, or at the most 20-30 yards forwards. His stats are amazing which is why you can see nonentities like Cooper or stats obsessed types like RM falling in love with him. Watch him play with neither of those mindsets and the only conclusion you can draw is "Is that it"?

You can see why nobody else showed any serious interest even though he was available on a free. Sadly we've been bluffed into offering him a new, no doubt improved, contract.

Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.

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Downes on 22:20 - Dec 16 with 1044 viewsAndyCole

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The unthinking non-football types ought to take a peek at some of the Swans Analytics analysis from the weekend's demolition by Cooperball.

Cooperball nullified Grimesy, he had no options whatsoever. It's testament to his inert, deep thinking footballing brain, underlying prowess, and superior footballing skills that he managed to conjure anything from such a neutered position.

Without doubt, the twps that still fail to see this, get a grip. Focus on proper, meaningful football stuff instead of point scoring on a fans forum.

This is a football forum, after all.

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Downes on 16:43 - Dec 17 with 955 viewsonehunglow

Downes on 21:36 - Dec 16 by AndyCole

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Oh dear, clearly still 'Missing something' as previously, famously self confessed.

'Missing everything' is far more apt nowadays. Clueless.

Downes plays so deep, whether in CM or as CB, the cleverer managers discount his presence. He's almost anonymous. Not what we want from a CM.

Cooperball did a number on Martinball by nullifying our talisman and heartbeat, Grimes. Grimesy had nowhere to turn, totally marked out of the game. As such Martin got beasted by a master tactician, negating our foothold, momentum and pulse.

Cooper knew he didn't need to bother with Downes, hence left him to his devices, going nowhere. He allowed him to drift fwd, with no purpose. Had Downes played in Grimesy's space we would have been utterly hammered, and with zero go-fwd, even less chances than we were able to conjure with Grimes single handedly doing his level best to counter Cooperball's masterful tactics.

Stick to the non-football forum.


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POTY on a site whose members he has belittled on other site.

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Downes on 22:21 - Dec 17 with 904 viewsAndyCole

Downes on 16:43 - Dec 17 by onehunglow

POTY on a site whose members he has belittled on other site.


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That's not so surprising. And yet previously a moderator here. Unthinkable.

A sub-standard poster with not so hidden agendas. One dimensional, in so many ways.

Nailed on for Sheeple of the year. Certainly gets my vote for that award.

Has no clue about football, and most definitely never kicked a ball. Has all the attributes of a classic lardy couch potato, supping on cheapskate home brew.

What goes around, comes around. As they say.

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