| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills 09:30 - Jan 21 with 3169 views | CountyJim |
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So how come my fuel bill is going up over 80 quid a month 🤔 🙄 |  | | |  |
| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 09:35 - Jan 21 with 1986 views | 1462jack |
Can’t just blame him they are all constantly full of shite |  | | |
| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 09:54 - Jan 21 with 1953 views | majorraglan |
BT bills also going up by 9%, they made £1.8bn profit last year. Staggering. |  | | |
| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 10:11 - Jan 21 with 1934 views | Catullus |
The gas bills are rising because of several things. Putin is playing silly buggers and restricting gas supplies to the West. demand for gas rose sharply after a colder than usual winter across Europe. China has also seen a rise in demand as well as other parts of Asia, the increased demand pushed prices up further.
It's not to do with Brexit. They have higher bills across the EU too. We are too reliant on Russian gas, on gas as a whole in fact. | |
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| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 10:12 - Jan 21 with 1934 views | gadgetuk |
| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 09:54 - Jan 21 by majorraglan |
BT bills also going up by 9%, they made £1.8bn profit last year. Staggering. |
They are arguing that more data is being used. Yes more people work from home now but considering most company data centres are remote/cloud based the volume of data probably hasn't changed a huge amount but is just moving along different routes.
A few years ago, telco providers (Virgin Media, Hyperoptic etc) were given permission to utilise the openreach infastructure which means they can run their cables through the existing telecom ductwork and up the telephone poles to deliver their own services. This has resulted in a race to roll out fibre broadband across the country.
BT always had the monopoly as their infrastructure allowed them to reach 99% of the country - this is no longer the case as their rivals now have access to this same infrastructure and this will result in much greater competition.
BT's 9% increase is laughable and is an own goal which the alt-nets will capitalise on. | | | |
| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 10:25 - Jan 21 with 1927 views | Catullus |
| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 10:12 - Jan 21 by gadgetuk |
They are arguing that more data is being used. Yes more people work from home now but considering most company data centres are remote/cloud based the volume of data probably hasn't changed a huge amount but is just moving along different routes.
A few years ago, telco providers (Virgin Media, Hyperoptic etc) were given permission to utilise the openreach infastructure which means they can run their cables through the existing telecom ductwork and up the telephone poles to deliver their own services. This has resulted in a race to roll out fibre broadband across the country.
BT always had the monopoly as their infrastructure allowed them to reach 99% of the country - this is no longer the case as their rivals now have access to this same infrastructure and this will result in much greater competition.
BT's 9% increase is laughable and is an own goal which the alt-nets will capitalise on. |
Why does extra data usage have to mean a price rise anyway, when they have made such a big profit? These companies are a rip off. | |
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| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 10:28 - Jan 21 with 1920 views | gadgetuk |
| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 10:25 - Jan 21 by Catullus |
Why does extra data usage have to mean a price rise anyway, when they have made such a big profit? These companies are a rip off. |
More data would mean more capacity on parts of the network but you are completely right - the 9% rise is a rip off. | | | |
| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 10:30 - Jan 21 with 1918 views | builthjack |
I said when we left that prices would rise 20-25% within 3 years. I won't be far off. |  |
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| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 10:32 - Jan 21 with 1913 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 10:12 - Jan 21 by gadgetuk |
They are arguing that more data is being used. Yes more people work from home now but considering most company data centres are remote/cloud based the volume of data probably hasn't changed a huge amount but is just moving along different routes.
A few years ago, telco providers (Virgin Media, Hyperoptic etc) were given permission to utilise the openreach infastructure which means they can run their cables through the existing telecom ductwork and up the telephone poles to deliver their own services. This has resulted in a race to roll out fibre broadband across the country.
BT always had the monopoly as their infrastructure allowed them to reach 99% of the country - this is no longer the case as their rivals now have access to this same infrastructure and this will result in much greater competition.
BT's 9% increase is laughable and is an own goal which the alt-nets will capitalise on. |
Virgin has the only monopoly. No other company is allowed to provide services over their cable network while Virgin can of course provide service over the open reach network.
Unfortunately as people are using more data all the time with more apps, more streaming larger data networks are needed which need paying for.
It is a bit like road traffic if more cars are on the roads more roads need to built. Working from home has exacerbated this most companies have their own data networks or access data networks from a central connection. With more people working from home they still have to access their companies network leading to an increase in data traffic from homes to their companies networks. | |
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| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 10:47 - Jan 21 with 1908 views | Catullus |
| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 10:30 - Jan 21 by builthjack |
I said when we left that prices would rise 20-25% within 3 years. I won't be far off. |
But this isn't because of Brexit. I already explained about gas prices. The data prices are because of all the home working (maybe) so that is because of the pandemic.
Food prices are in part because of Brexit, because we don't have enough HGV drivers, because of supply line issues.
Other rises are because of the pandemic and countries opening up again creating a surge in demand, which is no higher than previous demands so it's just a rip off really.
Once the pandemic ends we'll have a far better idea of the Brexit effect. | |
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| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 10:53 - Jan 21 with 1902 views | controversial_jack |
| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 10:11 - Jan 21 by Catullus |
The gas bills are rising because of several things. Putin is playing silly buggers and restricting gas supplies to the West. demand for gas rose sharply after a colder than usual winter across Europe. China has also seen a rise in demand as well as other parts of Asia, the increased demand pushed prices up further.
It's not to do with Brexit. They have higher bills across the EU too. We are too reliant on Russian gas, on gas as a whole in fact. |
Nope! We are buying expensive imported LNG from the USA. | | | |
| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 10:57 - Jan 21 with 1901 views | Catullus |
| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 10:53 - Jan 21 by controversial_jack |
Nope! We are buying expensive imported LNG from the USA. |
Yes, because the Russians have been holding back gas supplies to Europe as part of their game playing with the Eu and over Ukraine.
If we could buy the gas we needed through the Russian pipeline we wouldn't be buying the more expensive gas from the USA. | |
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| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 11:19 - Jan 21 with 1886 views | Boundy |
| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 10:53 - Jan 21 by controversial_jack |
Nope! We are buying expensive imported LNG from the USA. |
Nope we don't, the US is our second largest supplier which is half the amount we import from Qatar and we import 50% of our requirements . One of our problems is our storage capacity is small so we tend to use gas at todays prices rather than having the ability to use gas bought at pre rise prices. The UK has been badly hit because it's one of Europe's biggest users of natural gas - 85% of homes use gas central heating, and it also generates a third of our electricity. | |
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| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 12:16 - Jan 21 with 1849 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
We simply have to be self sufficient as a nation for the basics, food and energy production. | | | |
| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 12:29 - Jan 21 with 1829 views | gadgetuk |
| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 10:32 - Jan 21 by felixstowe_jack |
Virgin has the only monopoly. No other company is allowed to provide services over their cable network while Virgin can of course provide service over the open reach network.
Unfortunately as people are using more data all the time with more apps, more streaming larger data networks are needed which need paying for.
It is a bit like road traffic if more cars are on the roads more roads need to built. Working from home has exacerbated this most companies have their own data networks or access data networks from a central connection. With more people working from home they still have to access their companies network leading to an increase in data traffic from homes to their companies networks. |
Not strictly true.
The openreach network is the cabling infrastructure which is still owned by openreach and leased to other telcos.
The openreach PIA network is the ductwork and pole infrastructure which is a remnant of the old british telecom days which they are now opening up and renting space in to the other telco providers.
The openreach network was paid for by british taxpayers.
The Virgin network was privately built and funded and as such they don't have to share it. Virgin don't currently allow other companies to use their network, but that may very well change. | | | |
| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 13:00 - Jan 21 with 1815 views | controversial_jack |
| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 11:19 - Jan 21 by Boundy |
Nope we don't, the US is our second largest supplier which is half the amount we import from Qatar and we import 50% of our requirements . One of our problems is our storage capacity is small so we tend to use gas at todays prices rather than having the ability to use gas bought at pre rise prices. The UK has been badly hit because it's one of Europe's biggest users of natural gas - 85% of homes use gas central heating, and it also generates a third of our electricity. |
It was even on the BBC news, that we are importing huge tankers of American LNG into the isle of grain. Yes, we do get a lot from Quatar and LNG is far more expensive than gas from pipelines. LNG , has to be compressed and cooled for shipping. At the other end it has to be rewarmed before going into the mains.There are not many installations that have the facilities.
Once again we are sucking up to the Americans as they attempt to antagonise the Russians. The cost of following the Americans like little lap dogs, is usually price rises and lost British lives. When are ppl here going to wake up | | | |
| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 13:02 - Jan 21 with 1816 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 12:29 - Jan 21 by gadgetuk |
Not strictly true.
The openreach network is the cabling infrastructure which is still owned by openreach and leased to other telcos.
The openreach PIA network is the ductwork and pole infrastructure which is a remnant of the old british telecom days which they are now opening up and renting space in to the other telco providers.
The openreach network was paid for by british taxpayers.
The Virgin network was privately built and funded and as such they don't have to share it. Virgin don't currently allow other companies to use their network, but that may very well change. |
Not true the vast majority of BT infrastructure was paid for by BT customers after BT was privatised. The Government was paid in full for all BT's assets when it sold them off under privatisation.
All broadband, Internet equipment etc was installed after 2000. There was no broadband prior to this. Clearly BT and openreach are a private company just as Virgin is.
Ofcom which is supposed to promote consumer choice had consistently refused to treat BT and Virgin the same despite repeated requests from other telephone service providers and Broadband providers
Clearly you have little knowledge of how the communication networks in this country work or are funded. | |
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| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 13:07 - Jan 21 with 1812 views | Catullus |
| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 13:00 - Jan 21 by controversial_jack |
It was even on the BBC news, that we are importing huge tankers of American LNG into the isle of grain. Yes, we do get a lot from Quatar and LNG is far more expensive than gas from pipelines. LNG , has to be compressed and cooled for shipping. At the other end it has to be rewarmed before going into the mains.There are not many installations that have the facilities.
Once again we are sucking up to the Americans as they attempt to antagonise the Russians. The cost of following the Americans like little lap dogs, is usually price rises and lost British lives. When are ppl here going to wake up |
That's back to front, we are buying from the USA because the Russians are antagonising Europe and NATO. They are holding back gas supplies which has triggered a price rise.
If Russia allowed the agreed amounts of gas through we wouldn't have price rises as high as they are and we wouldn't be buying from elsewhere as much as we are. | |
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| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 13:51 - Jan 21 with 1790 views | Boundy |
| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 13:00 - Jan 21 by controversial_jack |
It was even on the BBC news, that we are importing huge tankers of American LNG into the isle of grain. Yes, we do get a lot from Quatar and LNG is far more expensive than gas from pipelines. LNG , has to be compressed and cooled for shipping. At the other end it has to be rewarmed before going into the mains.There are not many installations that have the facilities.
Once again we are sucking up to the Americans as they attempt to antagonise the Russians. The cost of following the Americans like little lap dogs, is usually price rises and lost British lives. When are ppl here going to wake up |
I never said we didn't import from the US but your post inferred that its all down to the yanks where in fact it isn't . You stated "At the other end it has to be rewarmed before going into the mains. There are not many installations that have the facilities." in fact in little old Wales In Milford in fact there are two facilities South Hook LNG and Dragon LNG to offload and convert the gas to a gaseous state which is then pumped via gas pipe line running from Milford to the Swansea north ( Felindre) pumping station then onto various parts of the country, by the way the 3rd facility in the UK is indeed the Isle of Grain | |
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| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 14:05 - Jan 21 with 1780 views | Flashberryjack |
| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 10:47 - Jan 21 by Catullus |
But this isn't because of Brexit. I already explained about gas prices. The data prices are because of all the home working (maybe) so that is because of the pandemic.
Food prices are in part because of Brexit, because we don't have enough HGV drivers, because of supply line issues.
Other rises are because of the pandemic and countries opening up again creating a surge in demand, which is no higher than previous demands so it's just a rip off really.
Once the pandemic ends we'll have a far better idea of the Brexit effect. |
Explain all you like, but I'm afraid you are wasting your time, it's either Boris or Brexit's fault.
People believe what they want to believe.
Oil prices are rising as the economy gradually recovers from the coronavirus pandemic, but also as a result of the current gas shortage in Europe which is seeing energy prices rise at an alarming rate across the continent. Oil is therefore seen as a more affordable and reliable alternative |  |
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| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 15:08 - Jan 21 with 1747 views | gadgetuk |
| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 13:02 - Jan 21 by felixstowe_jack |
Not true the vast majority of BT infrastructure was paid for by BT customers after BT was privatised. The Government was paid in full for all BT's assets when it sold them off under privatisation.
All broadband, Internet equipment etc was installed after 2000. There was no broadband prior to this. Clearly BT and openreach are a private company just as Virgin is.
Ofcom which is supposed to promote consumer choice had consistently refused to treat BT and Virgin the same despite repeated requests from other telephone service providers and Broadband providers
Clearly you have little knowledge of how the communication networks in this country work or are funded. |
No, you are not reading to what I am saying.
The infrastructure - poles, duct work etc. I am not talking about openreach cables.
VM, hyperoptic, community fibre, citybroadband are using the ductwork - not the openreach cabling. The duct work was put in during the BT days.
Read what I said. No mention of broadband or internet equipment.
Believe me, I do know what I am talking about. | | | |
| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 17:03 - Jan 21 with 1696 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 15:08 - Jan 21 by gadgetuk |
No, you are not reading to what I am saying.
The infrastructure - poles, duct work etc. I am not talking about openreach cables.
VM, hyperoptic, community fibre, citybroadband are using the ductwork - not the openreach cabling. The duct work was put in during the BT days.
Read what I said. No mention of broadband or internet equipment.
Believe me, I do know what I am talking about. |
Most of the duct work had been installed since the mid 1980s . All new housing estates need new ducts for access plus of course all commercial and industrial premises. Broadband infrastructure had also been installed since 2000 you only have to look at all the new green Broadband cabinets that have appeared in the streets.
I think I would prefer to rely on my 40 years experience of the telecommunications industry including Broadband, cables duty, fibre optics etc. | |
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| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 20:46 - Jan 21 with 1618 views | max936 |
| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 09:54 - Jan 21 by majorraglan |
BT bills also going up by 9%, they made £1.8bn profit last year. Staggering. |
They're investing it all in their infrastructure mun and their coe's arse pockets |  |
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| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 20:48 - Jan 21 with 1617 views | gadgetuk |
| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 17:03 - Jan 21 by felixstowe_jack |
Most of the duct work had been installed since the mid 1980s . All new housing estates need new ducts for access plus of course all commercial and industrial premises. Broadband infrastructure had also been installed since 2000 you only have to look at all the new green Broadband cabinets that have appeared in the streets.
I think I would prefer to rely on my 40 years experience of the telecommunications industry including Broadband, cables duty, fibre optics etc. |
You were talking about cabling and broadband infrastructure in response to my comment on ductwork. Feck me you are good at answering a completely different question.
BTW 30 years in the same industry!
And further BTW the green cabinets again are again irrelevant to the point I made, they are BT cabinets, not used by the altnets or VM02
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| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 21:10 - Jan 21 with 1586 views | max936 |
| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 14:05 - Jan 21 by Flashberryjack |
Explain all you like, but I'm afraid you are wasting your time, it's either Boris or Brexit's fault.
People believe what they want to believe.
Oil prices are rising as the economy gradually recovers from the coronavirus pandemic, but also as a result of the current gas shortage in Europe which is seeing energy prices rise at an alarming rate across the continent. Oil is therefore seen as a more affordable and reliable alternative |
Oil has gone very expensive, over the last year. | |
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| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 00:24 - Jan 22 with 1555 views | controversial_jack |
| Leave EU we'll have cheaper fuel bills on 13:07 - Jan 21 by Catullus |
That's back to front, we are buying from the USA because the Russians are antagonising Europe and NATO. They are holding back gas supplies which has triggered a price rise.
If Russia allowed the agreed amounts of gas through we wouldn't have price rises as high as they are and we wouldn't be buying from elsewhere as much as we are. |
How is Russia antagonising NATO? | | | |
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