| What An Overreaction By Some 06:27 - Aug 17 with 3743 views | STID2017 |
The reaction to some on here ( especially AC ) is totally stunning.
The calling on multiple posts (many by AC, when one would have done ) for Martin's head, blaming him for the failure by the players to not only put the game to bed but then to hold on to a 2 - 0 lead shows the existence of an agenda on here by a few to blame the manager for everything.
Every player left on the field is a professional footballer and should know what it takes to kill the game and see it out.
We should have been out of sight well before the start of added time.
Any manager going into added time 2 - 0 up would be justified in feeling he had done enough and would rightly expect a victory.
The players have to take full responsibility for this result. |  |
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| What An Overreaction By Some on 06:36 - Aug 17 with 1692 views | angryjack |
Why are we still pushing for further goals in 90 minutes when game is won,,that is down to the gaffer to see game out..si ye it is Martins fault in a sense,same last season at reading and home to Bournemouth, he just carries on playing same way,where as game management,should be taken on board.. |  | | |
| What An Overreaction By Some on 06:37 - Aug 17 with 1683 views | Dr_Parnassus |
No point in blaming AC, I think pretty much everyone felt the same. The article Keith posted last night was scathing of Russell and rightly so.
He needs to go.
You blame Cooper for losing 2-0 with 10 men to a better side… yet think Russell Martin gets absolved from blame surrendering a late lead (again) - when it is very much a habit of his.
You need to be consistent on this in order to be taken seriously. |  |
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| What An Overreaction By Some on 06:46 - Aug 17 with 1675 views | STID2017 |
| What An Overreaction By Some on 06:36 - Aug 17 by angryjack |
Why are we still pushing for further goals in 90 minutes when game is won,,that is down to the gaffer to see game out..si ye it is Martins fault in a sense,same last season at reading and home to Bournemouth, he just carries on playing same way,where as game management,should be taken on board.. |
What can he do at 90 minutes though ?
The players ( even the younger ones ) have all been playing football for long enough and will have been involved in games where they are winning and need to see the game out.
Every one of them should have been calmly trying to see the game to it's natural conclusion, rather than panicking like they did.
I remember looking at the clock at around 87 mins and thinking " Well done guys, just keep it going".
Millwall had huffed and puffed but hadn't really threatened.
Sorry but this one isn't on the manager for me. | |
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| What An Overreaction By Some on 06:51 - Aug 17 with 1662 views | angryjack |
| What An Overreaction By Some on 06:46 - Aug 17 by STID2017 |
What can he do at 90 minutes though ?
The players ( even the younger ones ) have all been playing football for long enough and will have been involved in games where they are winning and need to see the game out.
Every one of them should have been calmly trying to see the game to it's natural conclusion, rather than panicking like they did.
I remember looking at the clock at around 87 mins and thinking " Well done guys, just keep it going".
Millwall had huffed and puffed but hadn't really threatened.
Sorry but this one isn't on the manager for me. |
Because he instructs the team,obafemi still breaking away in 8o minutes with tem mates bombing on,now the manager should be saying keep ball get compact.we lose ball in these situations and we are open,so yes it is his fault as if he instructs them to do job and sit they will do it or get fined,it's no coincidence we concede many late goals as we play this way always | | | |
| What An Overreaction By Some on 06:52 - Aug 17 with 1655 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What An Overreaction By Some on 06:46 - Aug 17 by STID2017 |
What can he do at 90 minutes though ?
The players ( even the younger ones ) have all been playing football for long enough and will have been involved in games where they are winning and need to see the game out.
Every one of them should have been calmly trying to see the game to it's natural conclusion, rather than panicking like they did.
I remember looking at the clock at around 87 mins and thinking " Well done guys, just keep it going".
Millwall had huffed and puffed but hadn't really threatened.
Sorry but this one isn't on the manager for me. |
Doesn’t matter what minute it is in.
If it’s the managers fault for 90 mins, then it’s his fault for added time too. Managers don’t hand the reins over to the players when the board comes up.
This should be intense training where everyone knows exactly what the process is. It’s not the first time it has happened under him.
I remember it happening twice in a week 3-3 Bournemouth and 4-4 Reading. It’s a Russell Martin trademark.
If you watch the Swans vlogger Rhys on YouTube he interviews his mates at half time, they say “I don’t want to be too confident as Bournemouth and Reading still in the mind”… and it happened again.
This is why the players need to be in after poor performances working on every aspect of the game, not given 3 days off. | |
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| What An Overreaction By Some on 06:55 - Aug 17 with 1660 views | STID2017 |
| What An Overreaction By Some on 06:37 - Aug 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
No point in blaming AC, I think pretty much everyone felt the same. The article Keith posted last night was scathing of Russell and rightly so.
He needs to go.
You blame Cooper for losing 2-0 with 10 men to a better side… yet think Russell Martin gets absolved from blame surrendering a late lead (again) - when it is very much a habit of his.
You need to be consistent on this in order to be taken seriously. |
Why do I need to be consistent ?
I have seen all four games this season.
The first two we laid defeat rightly at Martin's door.
Saturday was an excellent win and showed Martin seemed to be learning.
Last night built upon that and we should have been out of sight.
The fact that we weren't and then failed to hold on to what we had was down to the players.
Cooper and Brentford was a million miles away from what we saw last night, driven by Joe Allen, who also brought the best performance out of Grimes for many a game. | |
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| What An Overreaction By Some on 06:59 - Aug 17 with 1636 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What An Overreaction By Some on 06:55 - Aug 17 by STID2017 |
Why do I need to be consistent ?
I have seen all four games this season.
The first two we laid defeat rightly at Martin's door.
Saturday was an excellent win and showed Martin seemed to be learning.
Last night built upon that and we should have been out of sight.
The fact that we weren't and then failed to hold on to what we had was down to the players.
Cooper and Brentford was a million miles away from what we saw last night, driven by Joe Allen, who also brought the best performance out of Grimes for many a game. |
Huh? Is that a genuine question?
In order for your views to not be seen as laced with agenda, they need to have consistency. You blame Cooper when his team expectedly loses and blame the team when Martin’s side messes up in very similar fashion to what Martin teams have done fairly frequently.
It’s absolutely unforgivable game management for this to keep happening in the ways it does. If you genuinely don’t blame the manager after that then there is no hope for any impartiality or level headed reason from you. | |
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| What An Overreaction By Some on 06:59 - Aug 17 with 1641 views | angryjack |
| What An Overreaction By Some on 06:55 - Aug 17 by STID2017 |
Why do I need to be consistent ?
I have seen all four games this season.
The first two we laid defeat rightly at Martin's door.
Saturday was an excellent win and showed Martin seemed to be learning.
Last night built upon that and we should have been out of sight.
The fact that we weren't and then failed to hold on to what we had was down to the players.
Cooper and Brentford was a million miles away from what we saw last night, driven by Joe Allen, who also brought the best performance out of Grimes for many a game. |
Martin instructs players and his team,he's the one who should shut up shop at 90 minutes 2 nil up..not carry on playing open football, | | | |
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| What An Overreaction By Some on 07:14 - Aug 17 with 1614 views | STID2017 |
| What An Overreaction By Some on 06:59 - Aug 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
Huh? Is that a genuine question?
In order for your views to not be seen as laced with agenda, they need to have consistency. You blame Cooper when his team expectedly loses and blame the team when Martin’s side messes up in very similar fashion to what Martin teams have done fairly frequently.
It’s absolutely unforgivable game management for this to keep happening in the ways it does. If you genuinely don’t blame the manager after that then there is no hope for any impartiality or level headed reason from you. |
Cooper's brand of football is dead and gone from Swans.
Thank goodness.
What Cooper managed to produce at Forest last season was far more exciting and consistent than anything he produced for us, especially that pathetic excuse for a final.
If Martin had got us to the same final and produced such a stale performance, you, AC, Kerouac and a few others would have been totally blaming him. So consistency needed for all round perhaps ?
We have seen three exciting games of football this last week, as Swans fans we were of course disappointed with the outcome of two of them but the neutral would have enjoyed them all. | |
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| What An Overreaction By Some on 07:23 - Aug 17 with 1596 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What An Overreaction By Some on 07:14 - Aug 17 by STID2017 |
Cooper's brand of football is dead and gone from Swans.
Thank goodness.
What Cooper managed to produce at Forest last season was far more exciting and consistent than anything he produced for us, especially that pathetic excuse for a final.
If Martin had got us to the same final and produced such a stale performance, you, AC, Kerouac and a few others would have been totally blaming him. So consistency needed for all round perhaps ?
We have seen three exciting games of football this last week, as Swans fans we were of course disappointed with the outcome of two of them but the neutral would have enjoyed them all. |
Absolutely not.
If Martin got us to 4th playing a specific way, I absolutely would not blame him if we lost to a better team by playing the same way that got us there. The fact you wanted us to ditch our strength which was our defence and go attacking when we didn’t even have a real striker is just bonkers.
I am always consistent. Which is why I’m unhappy when we do badly and happy when we do well.
Where as you seem to be the opposite, unhappy when we do well and happy when we are bad. You change your narrative depending on the manager and how you want to perceive them.
My views are simply shaped by how we perform. | |
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| What An Overreaction By Some on 07:24 - Aug 17 with 1594 views | ItchySphincter |
| What An Overreaction By Some on 06:46 - Aug 17 by STID2017 |
What can he do at 90 minutes though ?
The players ( even the younger ones ) have all been playing football for long enough and will have been involved in games where they are winning and need to see the game out.
Every one of them should have been calmly trying to see the game to it's natural conclusion, rather than panicking like they did.
I remember looking at the clock at around 87 mins and thinking " Well done guys, just keep it going".
Millwall had huffed and puffed but hadn't really threatened.
Sorry but this one isn't on the manager for me. |
Of course it is. What’s the point in having a manager? |  |
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| What An Overreaction By Some on 07:43 - Aug 17 with 1539 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What An Overreaction By Some on 07:24 - Aug 17 by ItchySphincter |
Of course it is. What’s the point in having a manager? |
Correct.
You can just say “they are professionals, they know how to play football”, no need for a manager.
The players don’t get paid to turn up and have a game of football as they see fit. The fact they are professionals means they are employed to enact the instructions of the manager, regardless of how they believe is the best way to see the game out.
This is game management and should have been worked on endlessly in training, 100% set out by management. Especially after the capitulations at the back end of last season (Bournemouth and Reading) and this season (Oxford).
If he hasn’t instructed them to do anything then it’s ludicrous management to have not addressed it, if he has instructed them then it’s a ludicrous brand of game management where he chooses to change tactics to see the game out.
Either way the buck stops with him. | |
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| What An Overreaction By Some on 08:19 - Aug 17 with 1490 views | owainglyndwr |
We played at times some of the best football in ages , but the managers lack of being able to set his team up to see out the game was absolutely terrible, |  | | |
| What An Overreaction By Some on 08:21 - Aug 17 with 1486 views | union_jack |
| What An Overreaction By Some on 06:46 - Aug 17 by STID2017 |
What can he do at 90 minutes though ?
The players ( even the younger ones ) have all been playing football for long enough and will have been involved in games where they are winning and need to see the game out.
Every one of them should have been calmly trying to see the game to it's natural conclusion, rather than panicking like they did.
I remember looking at the clock at around 87 mins and thinking " Well done guys, just keep it going".
Millwall had huffed and puffed but hadn't really threatened.
Sorry but this one isn't on the manager for me. |
Best analogy I can think of is this. If you trip over a protruding flagstone on a pavement, the council is to blame. How on earth can they know where these flagstones are dangerous! They can’t, but they are responsible.
Martin was responsible for what happened last night even though he wasn’t on the field. And if it was a one-off it would be bad enough but 1 in 4 games over our last 12 have seen the same scenario played out. That’s nothing short of negligence.
And as AC said somewhere else, why aren’t they playing with the mentality that Martin is such a strong proponent of? |  |
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| What An Overreaction By Some on 08:22 - Aug 17 with 1486 views | controversial_jack |
I don't blame the manager on this occasion, but our keeper is a liability | | | |
| What An Overreaction By Some on 08:28 - Aug 17 with 1463 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What An Overreaction By Some on 08:22 - Aug 17 by controversial_jack |
I don't blame the manager on this occasion, but our keeper is a liability |
Why on this occasion?
On what occasion would you blame a manager for repeatedly blowing leads in injury time? | |
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| What An Overreaction By Some on 08:29 - Aug 17 with 1466 views | union_jack |
| What An Overreaction By Some on 08:22 - Aug 17 by controversial_jack |
I don't blame the manager on this occasion, but our keeper is a liability |
He didn’t have a lot to do last night. He was caught out with the lob that hit the bar but, and I’m going only on what I saw in livestream once last night, I don’t see how he could have prevented the second. That ball was not in his reach to pluck out of the air. If I can bear to watch it again! | |
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| What An Overreaction By Some on 08:33 - Aug 17 with 1446 views | lifelong |
I enjoyed the game last night.
Millwall are a good side.
We are missing far too many chances.
Gutted at the final whistle. |  | | |
| What An Overreaction By Some on 08:34 - Aug 17 with 1440 views | onehunglow |
Its hard to comment really after that.
An encouraging Blackpool performance then that crock
Why replace Cabango in the first place.
Why is Grimes still captain.
It was good to see Joe Allen still able and Martin was right to hook him as he is coming back from a big injury.
The problem is the bizarre "tactics" we employ and totally ignore the basics of closing out a contest.
When it doesnt work,they panic.
We need a captain to simply tell Russ to fark right off and shove his tactics with him.
Fisher has been improving but his game management regressed last night. I almost feel sorry for him.
As for Millwall.what a strong collection of sheeets,well organised,full of bottle and fit asfark. Throw in oiutright thuggery and you can see why the scum at the Den love their team. | |
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| What An Overreaction By Some on 08:35 - Aug 17 with 1441 views | angryjack |
| What An Overreaction By Some on 08:29 - Aug 17 by union_jack |
He didn’t have a lot to do last night. He was caught out with the lob that hit the bar but, and I’m going only on what I saw in livestream once last night, I don’t see how he could have prevented the second. That ball was not in his reach to pluck out of the air. If I can bear to watch it again! |
Caught out?he should never be racing to the edge of his box when there are defenders there,if he stays on line the bloke would have to been a genius to beat him from there... | | | |
| What An Overreaction By Some on 08:35 - Aug 17 with 1443 views | heatwave |
The result was massively disappointing with 2 injury time goals. What I will say it is the first home game I've enjoyed for a long long time. There was a lot more purpose in the use of the ball. Of 8 competitive games we have now conceded 5 after the 80 minute mark! |  | | |
| What An Overreaction By Some on 08:40 - Aug 17 with 1421 views | onehunglow |
| What An Overreaction By Some on 08:33 - Aug 17 by lifelong |
I enjoyed the game last night.
Millwall are a good side.
We are missing far too many chances.
Gutted at the final whistle. |
You enjoyed the game?
My God,I have never read anything like that after a throw away.Did you enjoy the Bmuff,ReadingmOxford give aways too.
You cant be gutted and enjoy a game
Why are the crowd so devoid of passion? That says it all.Martin is killing us. | |
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| What An Overreaction By Some on 08:49 - Aug 17 with 1389 views | nantywatcher |
Wild overreaction! Excellent entertaining game of football. We played some wonderful stuff at times. Some great individual performances. Criticism aimed at Piroe is utter nonsense - he worked his socks off, never stopped making himself available. I would blame the manager for subbing Ntcham who was outstanding. For our manager to think that Sorinola is anything like good enough to be in the Championship is beyond me - if he had been remotely interested in doing the job asked of him we would have won that match. For people to criticise the team for attacking in the 93rd minute is ridiculous, I don't blame Obafemi for shooting but he knows he should have passed to Piroe. Far more positives than negatives last night. | | | |
| What An Overreaction By Some on 08:49 - Aug 17 with 1387 views | lifelong |
| What An Overreaction By Some on 08:40 - Aug 17 by onehunglow |
You enjoyed the game?
My God,I have never read anything like that after a throw away.Did you enjoy the Bmuff,ReadingmOxford give aways too.
You cant be gutted and enjoy a game
Why are the crowd so devoid of passion? That says it all.Martin is killing us. |
That’s right, I enjoyed the game, I thought we played some excellent football and I took positives from the game.
You just come out with your usual crap about Fisher, Naughton, Grimes and the manager. | | | |
| What An Overreaction By Some on 08:55 - Aug 17 with 1380 views | builthjack |
| What An Overreaction By Some on 08:33 - Aug 17 by lifelong |
I enjoyed the game last night.
Millwall are a good side.
We are missing far too many chances.
Gutted at the final whistle. |
It's very fine lines.
If Oba had scored that tap in against Rotherham, which he would have done 99 times out of 100.
Then one less own goal last night.
We would be up the top of the table.
Very fine lines. |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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