| At last Qatar make some admissions 16:16 - Nov 29 with 1073 views | KeithHaynes |
Qatar's World Cup boss admits 400-500 migrants died on work for tournament.
Among the biggest sources of anger around Qatar's hosting of the World Cup has been the series of reports about the treatment of migrant workers and the number who have died while constructing stadiums. Some estimates have suggested that figure is as high as 6,500, something Qatari officials and tournament organisers have repeatedly dismissed.
However, the country's World Cup boss, Hassan Al-Thawadi, appears to have become the first to admit that the number of people who lost their lives was well into the hundreds.
The secretary-general of the Supreme Committee for Delivery and Legacy (SC) - to give him his full title - was asked for an "honest, realistic total for migrant workers who have died as a result of work they are doing for the World Cup?"
He told TalkTV in response: "The estimate is between 400 and 500. I [don't have] an exact number, that's something that's being discussed."
His words may not have been welcomed by everyone within the Qatari regime, though, as a statement issued today indicates.
The comments, attributed to an SC spokesperson, appeared to backtrack on Mr Al-Thawadi's figures - and imply that he was in fact referring to estimates for all work-related deaths across Qatar in the six years up until 2020.The statement said: "The secretary-general told Piers Morgan’s 'Uncensored' programme that there were 3 work-related deaths and 37 non-work related deaths on the Supreme Committee for Delivery & Legacy’s projects."This is documented on an annual basis in the SC’s public reporting and covers the 8 stadiums, 17 non-competition venues and other related sites under the SC’s scope.
"Separate quotes regarding figures refer to national statistics covering the period of 2014-2020 for all work-related fatalities (414) nationwide in Qatar, covering all sectors and nationalities."
This claim will come as a surprise to some, given how clear-cut Mr Al-Thawadi's comments during the interview appeared to be.
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| At last Qatar make some admissions on 12:13 - Nov 30 with 1006 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
All the stakeholders have been cared for.
- Players
- Dignitaries
- Administrators
- Fans
- Media people
- Ambassadors Beckham etc
- Transport people
Only the contract workers were not attended and cared for properly. Reparations are due. |  |
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| At last Qatar make some admissions on 12:21 - Nov 30 with 999 views | onehunglow |
| At last Qatar make some admissions on 12:13 - Nov 30 by ReslovenSwan1 |
All the stakeholders have been cared for.
- Players
- Dignitaries
- Administrators
- Fans
- Media people
- Ambassadors Beckham etc
- Transport people
Only the contract workers were not attended and cared for properly. Reparations are due. |
Good post |  |
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| At last Qatar make some admissions on 12:26 - Nov 30 with 996 views | Togg |
| At last Qatar make some admissions on 12:21 - Nov 30 by onehunglow |
Good post |
Could you imagine the outcry if all these new stadiums were built in a European country and 400 -500 people died! What sort of health and safety did they have? Very little I would imagine. Yes large reparations are well overdue but unfortunately that won't bring those poor people back to their families and loved ones. | | | |
| At last Qatar make some admissions on 14:18 - Nov 30 with 967 views | onehunglow |
| At last Qatar make some admissions on 12:26 - Nov 30 by Togg |
Could you imagine the outcry if all these new stadiums were built in a European country and 400 -500 people died! What sort of health and safety did they have? Very little I would imagine. Yes large reparations are well overdue but unfortunately that won't bring those poor people back to their families and loved ones. |
It is what has made this tournament a hard watch for me
I try to avoid watching
Last night we discussed dig faeces at Gun Dog class. Seriously.
Sadly I got home for the second half
And we re proud we went there !
Sorry,I’m know I’m bizarre | |
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| At last Qatar make some admissions on 14:38 - Nov 30 with 946 views | trampie |
| At last Qatar make some admissions on 12:26 - Nov 30 by Togg |
Could you imagine the outcry if all these new stadiums were built in a European country and 400 -500 people died! What sort of health and safety did they have? Very little I would imagine. Yes large reparations are well overdue but unfortunately that won't bring those poor people back to their families and loved ones. |
A small percentage in Qatar compared to deaths in Northern Ireland during the troubles and a drop in the ocean compared to deaths due to the wars in Yugoslavia.
How big was the outcry in Europe to those events ?, considering the magnitude of those events I'm not sure the outcry was as big as it should have been. So I'm not convinced how big the outcry would have been if it was in Europe compared to what it is now. |  |
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| At last Qatar make some admissions on 15:42 - Nov 30 with 932 views | Lohengrin |
| At last Qatar make some admissions on 14:38 - Nov 30 by trampie |
A small percentage in Qatar compared to deaths in Northern Ireland during the troubles and a drop in the ocean compared to deaths due to the wars in Yugoslavia.
How big was the outcry in Europe to those events ?, considering the magnitude of those events I'm not sure the outcry was as big as it should have been. So I'm not convinced how big the outcry would have been if it was in Europe compared to what it is now. |
Are you really comparing armed conflicts to a blasé attitude to health and safety on construction sites? 🙈 |  |
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| At last Qatar make some admissions on 16:03 - Nov 30 with 911 views | trampie |
| At last Qatar make some admissions on 15:42 - Nov 30 by Lohengrin |
Are you really comparing armed conflicts to a blasé attitude to health and safety on construction sites? 🙈 |
I'm just saying I don't think Europe would have cared that much. | |
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| At last Qatar make some admissions on 16:14 - Nov 30 with 905 views | Lohengrin |
| At last Qatar make some admissions on 16:03 - Nov 30 by trampie |
I'm just saying I don't think Europe would have cared that much. |
I’ve no idea why you’d think that? Had there been hundreds of deaths building the channel tunnel, let’s say, the outcry would have been enormous. | |
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| At last Qatar make some admissions on 16:15 - Nov 30 with 902 views | onehunglow |
| At last Qatar make some admissions on 16:03 - Nov 30 by trampie |
I'm just saying I don't think Europe would have cared that much. |
It’s a drop in the ocean of the British men women and children slaughtered by IRA ,bastions of freedom that they are
Wales were stained by going. What with us being so saintly and above reproach yiu d think we would have refused to go.Like dirty English should have .
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| At last Qatar make some admissions on 16:42 - Nov 30 with 891 views | trampie |
| At last Qatar make some admissions on 16:14 - Nov 30 by Lohengrin |
I’ve no idea why you’d think that? Had there been hundreds of deaths building the channel tunnel, let’s say, the outcry would have been enormous. |
Did they care about British forces and paddies killing each other during the troubles ?, nah not really.
Would French, Italians, Hungarians, Albanians care much if English construction workers got killed on an engineering project ?, nah not really I would guess. | |
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| At last Qatar make some admissions on 16:59 - Nov 30 with 886 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
The west do care. That is why they raised the subject. It is the FIFA World cup that raised the issue of slave labour on building sites in the gulf. You may not have noticed but the building boom has been going on for 5-6 decades or more. For Qatar it was business as usual until 'The Guardian' turned up.
How any Asian and African were killed by lax building controls over this period. No one know because no one bothered to find out.
I recall reading 3000 were killed in Northern Ireland era of violence. 6500 death in Qatar according to some sources. The comparison ids bogus of course. One side wanted to kill and the other was a bit lax in keeping people alive in oppressive conditions.
Qater is a strict Muslim country. Humility and respect are reportedly the core principles. So why are they get lectures from European journals to treat their fellow Muslim brothers better?. Turks see the Gulf Arabs as pious fake Muslims who talk the talk of piousness on one hand while living the life of luxury on the other. It is about sharing. The Qateris should be sharing reparations for moral and religious reasons. | |
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| At last Qatar make some admissions on 17:29 - Nov 30 with 873 views | Boundy |
| At last Qatar make some admissions on 14:38 - Nov 30 by trampie |
A small percentage in Qatar compared to deaths in Northern Ireland during the troubles and a drop in the ocean compared to deaths due to the wars in Yugoslavia.
How big was the outcry in Europe to those events ?, considering the magnitude of those events I'm not sure the outcry was as big as it should have been. So I'm not convinced how big the outcry would have been if it was in Europe compared to what it is now. |
Honesty ? you need a holiday from the internet , you really do | |
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| At last Qatar make some admissions on 17:46 - Nov 30 with 859 views | trampie |
| At last Qatar make some admissions on 16:59 - Nov 30 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The west do care. That is why they raised the subject. It is the FIFA World cup that raised the issue of slave labour on building sites in the gulf. You may not have noticed but the building boom has been going on for 5-6 decades or more. For Qatar it was business as usual until 'The Guardian' turned up.
How any Asian and African were killed by lax building controls over this period. No one know because no one bothered to find out.
I recall reading 3000 were killed in Northern Ireland era of violence. 6500 death in Qatar according to some sources. The comparison ids bogus of course. One side wanted to kill and the other was a bit lax in keeping people alive in oppressive conditions.
Qater is a strict Muslim country. Humility and respect are reportedly the core principles. So why are they get lectures from European journals to treat their fellow Muslim brothers better?. Turks see the Gulf Arabs as pious fake Muslims who talk the talk of piousness on one hand while living the life of luxury on the other. It is about sharing. The Qateris should be sharing reparations for moral and religious reasons. |
The subject is only mentioned by the chattering classes if people in the West really cared then teams from the West would not have gone out there to play. | |
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| At last Qatar make some admissions on 18:17 - Nov 30 with 840 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| At last Qatar make some admissions on 17:46 - Nov 30 by trampie |
The subject is only mentioned by the chattering classes if people in the West really cared then teams from the West would not have gone out there to play. |
Did you want Wales to withdraw?
Drakeford could have asked the FAW to do it. They would have declined of course.
It would have been a huge snub to our very important trading partners. They are investing millions in the South Hook gas terminal and were in CWL airport before Covid. They could be potential buyers of it. Wales has a big aero service industry around St Asaph and Caerfili.
More importantly they provide us with relatively cheap LNG to keep us warm and help us cook. Germany is complaining that the USA c is charging too much after US blocked Russian supplies.
The West pointed out the deficiencies and called on FIFA to act. There were some improvement but i cannot comment on how much things have improved. Drakeford should ask Qatar to help the abused workforce families not only for the families but also for the reputation of Qatar itself. Wales wants to continue to do business with them whether they have anti LGBT laws or not.
Bale was not fit to play and did not push non football issues either. That is Drakeford's job. The HM Government sent Cairns out with him to stay on point. I hope he did some charming with his clarinet. Snakes or no snakes. | |
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| At last Qatar make some admissions on 18:24 - Nov 30 with 835 views | STID2017 |
An estimate?
We are not talking about costing the building of a stadium.
We are talking about the loss of human lives, each one of which should never have happened.
However the very least that should have happened is that each death should have been recorded and investigated.
It is too late for those workers, but at least each and every family should be compensated |  |
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| At last Qatar make some admissions on 18:25 - Nov 30 with 833 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| At last Qatar make some admissions on 18:17 - Nov 30 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Did you want Wales to withdraw?
Drakeford could have asked the FAW to do it. They would have declined of course.
It would have been a huge snub to our very important trading partners. They are investing millions in the South Hook gas terminal and were in CWL airport before Covid. They could be potential buyers of it. Wales has a big aero service industry around St Asaph and Caerfili.
More importantly they provide us with relatively cheap LNG to keep us warm and help us cook. Germany is complaining that the USA c is charging too much after US blocked Russian supplies.
The West pointed out the deficiencies and called on FIFA to act. There were some improvement but i cannot comment on how much things have improved. Drakeford should ask Qatar to help the abused workforce families not only for the families but also for the reputation of Qatar itself. Wales wants to continue to do business with them whether they have anti LGBT laws or not.
Bale was not fit to play and did not push non football issues either. That is Drakeford's job. The HM Government sent Cairns out with him to stay on point. I hope he did some charming with his clarinet. Snakes or no snakes. |
Business is business. We need the gas and the investment. They need our service and have plenty of cash with a $12 billion annual surplus.
Leave it to the Guardian and a few MP to protest. It could be a cold winter and UK has helped USA bow up the Russian gas pipeline allegedly.
Drakeford is paid to keep the lights on and stomachs full.
https://businessnewswales.com/qatar-food-and-drink-reception-kicks-off-countdown | |
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| At last Qatar make some admissions on 18:28 - Nov 30 with 833 views | STID2017 |
| At last Qatar make some admissions on 14:38 - Nov 30 by trampie |
A small percentage in Qatar compared to deaths in Northern Ireland during the troubles and a drop in the ocean compared to deaths due to the wars in Yugoslavia.
How big was the outcry in Europe to those events ?, considering the magnitude of those events I'm not sure the outcry was as big as it should have been. So I'm not convinced how big the outcry would have been if it was in Europe compared to what it is now. |
Difference is ( depending on your politics) those were conflicts and people die in conflicts.
Not defendanle but true.
The deaths in Qatar were for financial gain and to present the world with a showpiece event.
Not sure how you can compare the two | |
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| At last Qatar make some admissions on 23:10 - Nov 30 with 792 views | trampie |
| At last Qatar make some admissions on 18:28 - Nov 30 by STID2017 |
Difference is ( depending on your politics) those were conflicts and people die in conflicts.
Not defendanle but true.
The deaths in Qatar were for financial gain and to present the world with a showpiece event.
Not sure how you can compare the two |
If people don't care that much about wars in a different part of their continent then why would they particularly care about engineering fatalities. | |
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| At last Qatar make some admissions on 00:18 - Dec 1 with 785 views | STID2017 |
| At last Qatar make some admissions on 23:10 - Nov 30 by trampie |
If people don't care that much about wars in a different part of their continent then why would they particularly care about engineering fatalities. |
Of course people cared about deaths in Northern Ireland, Republic of Ireland, London, Bosnia, and lately in Ukraine.
Those deaths are just as abhorrent.
That said, the fact that people are making money from construction workers deaths is beyond disgusting | |
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| At last Qatar make some admissions on 06:38 - Dec 1 with 761 views | Togg |
| At last Qatar make some admissions on 14:38 - Nov 30 by trampie |
A small percentage in Qatar compared to deaths in Northern Ireland during the troubles and a drop in the ocean compared to deaths due to the wars in Yugoslavia.
How big was the outcry in Europe to those events ?, considering the magnitude of those events I'm not sure the outcry was as big as it should have been. So I'm not convinced how big the outcry would have been if it was in Europe compared to what it is now. |
Those were conflicts wars call them what you like, not people going into a foreign country to do a job they thought they would come home from. They deserved decent working conditions not death traps. | | | |
| At last Qatar make some admissions on 07:32 - Dec 1 with 732 views | trampie |
| At last Qatar make some admissions on 06:38 - Dec 1 by Togg |
Those were conflicts wars call them what you like, not people going into a foreign country to do a job they thought they would come home from. They deserved decent working conditions not death traps. |
And World cup finals is still going ahead with no drop outs. | |
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