| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City 11:00 - Feb 6 with 6301 views | SwansIndependent |
 Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City 6th Feb 2023 10:55Current Swansea City head coach Russell Martin cut a forlorn and lost figure post the latest Swans defeat at home to Birmingham City on Saturday. And despite his desire to bring a unique style of play, and after eighteen months of attempting to do so he finds himself with some big big decisions this week.  3
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 11:30 - Feb 6 with 2518 views | shandyjack |
'The blame game will always play out on websites and social media, weak and shallow people unable to evidence their screaming and demands, but more than capable of anonymous venomous posting. They are not the reason Russell Martin should spend any longer in Swansea than he needs to.
We ask him to consider the real people'
Either this is poorly worded or it's designed to create a them and us scenario. To suggest anyone who Questions RM is weak or shallow stinks. The evidence is clear for all those not to blind to see that he is not good enough for the job/or isn't learning quick enough. 2 wins in 15/16 with this squad is unacceptable.
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 11:40 - Feb 6 with 2481 views | cadleigh |
Russell Martin is the most divisive manager of Swansea City I can ever recall. Most the time, supporter opinion has been pretty consistent. The only ones in my memory who even come close are Monk and Cooper, and IMO Monk has been more criticised after he left than he was while he was here, and Cooper attracted fans, critics and a large number of people who didn't enjoy much of his football but were happy with the results. With Martin there's very little middle ground.
And this will continue for years after he leaves, because at the rate things are going if he does go, it will be portrayed - rightly or wrongly - as due to a principled stand against the owners. Any criticism of his managerial style and ability will be shunted to one side in favour of a 'betrayal' narrative.
I fervently hope that when the next manager comes in we can draw a line under this period, and shut down the Cooper Culture Wars while we are at it.
There are decent Swans supporters on both sides of the pro and anti Martin divide, all real Jacks. | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 12:11 - Feb 6 with 2406 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 11:40 - Feb 6 by cadleigh |
Russell Martin is the most divisive manager of Swansea City I can ever recall. Most the time, supporter opinion has been pretty consistent. The only ones in my memory who even come close are Monk and Cooper, and IMO Monk has been more criticised after he left than he was while he was here, and Cooper attracted fans, critics and a large number of people who didn't enjoy much of his football but were happy with the results. With Martin there's very little middle ground.
And this will continue for years after he leaves, because at the rate things are going if he does go, it will be portrayed - rightly or wrongly - as due to a principled stand against the owners. Any criticism of his managerial style and ability will be shunted to one side in favour of a 'betrayal' narrative.
I fervently hope that when the next manager comes in we can draw a line under this period, and shut down the Cooper Culture Wars while we are at it.
There are decent Swans supporters on both sides of the pro and anti Martin divide, all real Jacks. |
Possibly add Bob Bradley to that list and the great Laudrup who started like a steam train winning silver and glory and then just seemed to lose interest (not for the first time) resulting in Monk. | | | |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 12:18 - Feb 6 with 2374 views | onehunglow |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 11:30 - Feb 6 by shandyjack |
'The blame game will always play out on websites and social media, weak and shallow people unable to evidence their screaming and demands, but more than capable of anonymous venomous posting. They are not the reason Russell Martin should spend any longer in Swansea than he needs to.
We ask him to consider the real people'
Either this is poorly worded or it's designed to create a them and us scenario. To suggest anyone who Questions RM is weak or shallow stinks. The evidence is clear for all those not to blind to see that he is not good enough for the job/or isn't learning quick enough. 2 wins in 15/16 with this squad is unacceptable.
How many last minute capitulations will/can we forgive before the penny drops |
He s not going anywhere | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 12:22 - Feb 6 with 2343 views | onehunglow |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 11:40 - Feb 6 by cadleigh |
Russell Martin is the most divisive manager of Swansea City I can ever recall. Most the time, supporter opinion has been pretty consistent. The only ones in my memory who even come close are Monk and Cooper, and IMO Monk has been more criticised after he left than he was while he was here, and Cooper attracted fans, critics and a large number of people who didn't enjoy much of his football but were happy with the results. With Martin there's very little middle ground.
And this will continue for years after he leaves, because at the rate things are going if he does go, it will be portrayed - rightly or wrongly - as due to a principled stand against the owners. Any criticism of his managerial style and ability will be shunted to one side in favour of a 'betrayal' narrative.
I fervently hope that when the next manager comes in we can draw a line under this period, and shut down the Cooper Culture Wars while we are at it.
There are decent Swans supporters on both sides of the pro and anti Martin divide, all real Jacks. |
Monk was clearly devious whereas Laudrup lost interest .
Bradley ,ok he was out of his death ,but he was sacked after performances not as bad as what we are seeing now .
The support ,the personal support for Martin is unfathomable.
I suggest the owners bite the bullet and replace him. Now that really is key. | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 12:22 - Feb 6 with 2339 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 11:30 - Feb 6 by shandyjack |
'The blame game will always play out on websites and social media, weak and shallow people unable to evidence their screaming and demands, but more than capable of anonymous venomous posting. They are not the reason Russell Martin should spend any longer in Swansea than he needs to.
We ask him to consider the real people'
Either this is poorly worded or it's designed to create a them and us scenario. To suggest anyone who Questions RM is weak or shallow stinks. The evidence is clear for all those not to blind to see that he is not good enough for the job/or isn't learning quick enough. 2 wins in 15/16 with this squad is unacceptable.
How many last minute capitulations will/can we forgive before the penny drops |
I wonder who "the real people. " are in the comment "We ask him to consider the real people. "?
And how can anybody read in a state of "non judgement", it is human nature to judge what other people do, say and write, otherwise what possible reason can you have to read/listen to them, unless you want to be brainwashed? | | | |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 12:23 - Feb 6 with 2335 views | KeithHaynes |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 11:30 - Feb 6 by shandyjack |
'The blame game will always play out on websites and social media, weak and shallow people unable to evidence their screaming and demands, but more than capable of anonymous venomous posting. They are not the reason Russell Martin should spend any longer in Swansea than he needs to.
We ask him to consider the real people'
Either this is poorly worded or it's designed to create a them and us scenario. To suggest anyone who Questions RM is weak or shallow stinks. The evidence is clear for all those not to blind to see that he is not good enough for the job/or isn't learning quick enough. 2 wins in 15/16 with this squad is unacceptable.
How many last minute capitulations will/can we forgive before the penny drops |
We don’t support abuse of any person, for or against any issue.
There can’t be a them and us when opinions are divided but delivered without abuse.
Ask Obafemi.
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 12:24 - Feb 6 with 2311 views | onehunglow |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 12:23 - Feb 6 by KeithHaynes |
We don’t support abuse of any person, for or against any issue.
There can’t be a them and us when opinions are divided but delivered without abuse.
Ask Obafemi.
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Indeed and it’s why we are free to criticise .
And support . | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 12:25 - Feb 6 with 2310 views | swancity |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 12:22 - Feb 6 by onehunglow |
Monk was clearly devious whereas Laudrup lost interest .
Bradley ,ok he was out of his death ,but he was sacked after performances not as bad as what we are seeing now .
The support ,the personal support for Martin is unfathomable.
I suggest the owners bite the bullet and replace him. Now that really is key. |
For someone who doesn’t even watch the Swans play, you’ve got a lot to say. And unsurprisingly almost all of it is nonsensical rubbish. | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 12:33 - Feb 6 with 2265 views | KeithHaynes |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 12:24 - Feb 6 by onehunglow |
Indeed and it’s why we are free to criticise .
And support . |
What do you do every day on here but that ? | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 12:34 - Feb 6 with 2257 views | KeithHaynes |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 12:22 - Feb 6 by A_Fans_Dad |
I wonder who "the real people. " are in the comment "We ask him to consider the real people. "?
And how can anybody read in a state of "non judgement", it is human nature to judge what other people do, say and write, otherwise what possible reason can you have to read/listen to them, unless you want to be brainwashed? |
But not abusively.
Real people make judgements and deliver their opinion without the need to receive the abuse Obafemi received or indeed some of the nonsense Martin received on social media this weekend.
Probably best not to select the bits to suit and understand the point maybe ?
Real people give real opinions without dropping to abuse if that helps.
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 12:58 - Feb 6 with 2167 views | Badlands |
Laudrup had us in three competitions but had to deal with between 6 and 11 first team starters out with injury for weeks on end. Also a captain who wasn’t good enough stirring because he thought the players should be running marathons before training started. |  |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 13:20 - Feb 6 with 2095 views | guthrieintherain |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 12:33 - Feb 6 by KeithHaynes |
What do you do every day on here but that ? |
You are right on the first one never seen anything remotely resembling the second though. | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 13:29 - Feb 6 with 2050 views | onehunglow |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 12:33 - Feb 6 by KeithHaynes |
What do you do every day on here but that ? |
And I appreciate that. | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 13:31 - Feb 6 with 2054 views | pencoedjack |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 11:40 - Feb 6 by cadleigh |
Russell Martin is the most divisive manager of Swansea City I can ever recall. Most the time, supporter opinion has been pretty consistent. The only ones in my memory who even come close are Monk and Cooper, and IMO Monk has been more criticised after he left than he was while he was here, and Cooper attracted fans, critics and a large number of people who didn't enjoy much of his football but were happy with the results. With Martin there's very little middle ground.
And this will continue for years after he leaves, because at the rate things are going if he does go, it will be portrayed - rightly or wrongly - as due to a principled stand against the owners. Any criticism of his managerial style and ability will be shunted to one side in favour of a 'betrayal' narrative.
I fervently hope that when the next manager comes in we can draw a line under this period, and shut down the Cooper Culture Wars while we are at it.
There are decent Swans supporters on both sides of the pro and anti Martin divide, all real Jacks. |
Have to agree about Martin splitting opinion more than any other manager.
I find it bizarre that some posters who obviously have a good knowledge of football stick up for the dour football & poor results that Martin served up.
But it’s old down to opinion |  | | |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 13:41 - Feb 6 with 2023 views | KeithHaynes |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 13:31 - Feb 6 by pencoedjack |
Have to agree about Martin splitting opinion more than any other manager.
I find it bizarre that some posters who obviously have a good knowledge of football stick up for the dour football & poor results that Martin served up.
But it’s old down to opinion |
It certainly is.
And I can’t see it going on for much longer. | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 14:01 - Feb 6 with 1945 views | guthrieintherain |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 13:41 - Feb 6 by KeithHaynes |
It certainly is.
And I can’t see it going on for much longer. |
Personally I would like the management and owners to unite and push the club forward.
Expensive business sacking managers and who are we going to attract that improves us.
If Russ feels he can carry on should be allowed to and review at the end of the season. | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 14:14 - Feb 6 with 1911 views | onehunglow |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 13:41 - Feb 6 by KeithHaynes |
It certainly is.
And I can’t see it going on for much longer. |
It has to come to a head Keith
Then ,maybe we can move on.
Russ is not the man ( my opinion ) but his replacement needs to be considered very carefully indeed.
We are not yet safe for this season and the lower we go in the league the more the pressure will be apparent . | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 14:28 - Feb 6 with 1885 views | guthrieintherain |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 14:14 - Feb 6 by onehunglow |
It has to come to a head Keith
Then ,maybe we can move on.
Russ is not the man ( my opinion ) but his replacement needs to be considered very carefully indeed.
We are not yet safe for this season and the lower we go in the league the more the pressure will be apparent . |
5 points off the top 6
12 ahead of the bottom 3.
That 2nd paragraph says a lot about your mindset no disrespect intended.
But you are bar none the most negative poster on here. | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 14:40 - Feb 6 with 1866 views | jojaca |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 14:28 - Feb 6 by guthrieintherain |
5 points off the top 6
12 ahead of the bottom 3.
That 2nd paragraph says a lot about your mindset no disrespect intended.
But you are bar none the most negative poster on here. |
Relegation is not off the cards with current form over the last 15 or so games. I'm looking at the bottom more than the top. |  |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 14:44 - Feb 6 with 1849 views | pencoedjack |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 13:41 - Feb 6 by KeithHaynes |
It certainly is.
And I can’t see it going on for much longer. |
I hope that means Martin & not this site. | | | |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 14:51 - Feb 6 with 1819 views | onehunglow |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 14:28 - Feb 6 by guthrieintherain |
5 points off the top 6
12 ahead of the bottom 3.
That 2nd paragraph says a lot about your mindset no disrespect intended.
But you are bar none the most negative poster on here. |
Your last two paragraphs I’m afraid make the rest of what you posted simply disingenuous.
Negativity isn’t somethin* that bothers me ,and it’s the same with those who accuse me of it.
Frankly, anyone positive about our current plight is lying ,either to themselves or to others or both .
We need a balance from the relentless daily “”support” of an utterly inept coach .
The word negative is a get out and it’s used when people feel beaten in an argument. You know I M right about Martin and I was the first on here to see through him .
That s a fact and not something that causes me any joy. | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 14:53 - Feb 6 with 1812 views | onehunglow |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 14:40 - Feb 6 by jojaca |
Relegation is not off the cards with current form over the last 15 or so games. I'm looking at the bottom more than the top. |
We are in relegation form. When was the last win?
We are the only team that can be relied ups on to control a game possession wise yet lose it from an almost unassailable position.
We do this regularly .
I’m a#ing myself what it is going to take to wake everyone up to this crisis ,and crisis it is in &ootbLl terms most certainly . | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 14:58 - Feb 6 with 1807 views | KeithHaynes |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 14:44 - Feb 6 by pencoedjack |
I hope that means Martin & not this site. |
On the site, there really does need to be some hard decisions on it continuing after this season. On Martin, I can’t see him being at Swansea by then. | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 15:10 - Feb 6 with 1780 views | guthrieintherain |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 14:53 - Feb 6 by onehunglow |
We are in relegation form. When was the last win?
We are the only team that can be relied ups on to control a game possession wise yet lose it from an almost unassailable position.
We do this regularly .
I’m a#ing myself what it is going to take to wake everyone up to this crisis ,and crisis it is in &ootbLl terms most certainly . |
Sunderland away 3.1 was there for that one | |
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