| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City 11:00 - Feb 6 with 6325 views | SwansIndependent |
 Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City 6th Feb 2023 10:55Current Swansea City head coach Russell Martin cut a forlorn and lost figure post the latest Swans defeat at home to Birmingham City on Saturday. And despite his desire to bring a unique style of play, and after eighteen months of attempting to do so he finds himself with some big big decisions this week.  3
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 00:06 - Feb 12 with 884 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 18:47 - Feb 11 by builthjack |
If they couldn’t afford a few signings in the window, they certainly can’t afford to get rid of Russ.
As I said many years ago, they haven’t got a pot to pee in of their own money. Chancers. |
With the money they saved in the window they probably can afford to get rid. | | | |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 08:18 - Feb 12 with 791 views | STID2017 |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 00:06 - Feb 12 by A_Fans_Dad |
With the money they saved in the window they probably can afford to get rid. |
Totally agree that they should be able to releve the manager of his duties, should they so desire, using the money saved in Jsnuary. |  |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 08:55 - Feb 12 with 777 views | Fireboy2 |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 08:18 - Feb 12 by STID2017 |
Totally agree that they should be able to releve the manager of his duties, should they so desire, using the money saved in Jsnuary. |
They will not sack him, in the championship era of their tenure they have never sacked a manager and i don't think they will this time either, they do not care where the club is positioned in the league. |  | | |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 09:35 - Feb 12 with 749 views | onehunglow |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 08:18 - Feb 12 by STID2017 |
Totally agree that they should be able to releve the manager of his duties, should they so desire, using the money saved in Jsnuary. |
STID.
Morning
I read he was a “ cheap” choice .
If we can’t afford to sack such an incompetent employee then we really are screwed
Why did we not sell obefemi for cash up front or Whittaker.
That money would have saved our season,possibly our league status
It is mindless ownership | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 10:17 - Feb 12 with 725 views | STID2017 |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 09:35 - Feb 12 by onehunglow |
STID.
Morning
I read he was a “ cheap” choice .
If we can’t afford to sack such an incompetent employee then we really are screwed
Why did we not sell obefemi for cash up front or Whittaker.
That money would have saved our season,possibly our league status
It is mindless ownership |
Apparently he wasn't a cheap option due to the compensation paid to MKD ?
The money saved from not signing anyone in Jsnuary should be enough to sack him if they choose ?
Whittaker was a strange one. No logic if there was a decent offer was there ?
Obafemi I believe is more about ensuring we made a deal - any deal - which gets him off the books and gives us a decent profit, albeit we won't see it until the summer | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 10:35 - Feb 12 with 712 views | onehunglow |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 10:17 - Feb 12 by STID2017 |
Apparently he wasn't a cheap option due to the compensation paid to MKD ?
The money saved from not signing anyone in Jsnuary should be enough to sack him if they choose ?
Whittaker was a strange one. No logic if there was a decent offer was there ?
Obafemi I believe is more about ensuring we made a deal - any deal - which gets him off the books and gives us a decent profit, albeit we won't see it until the summer |
Decent r3ply .Thanks .
Having read we actually paid MKD for his services and then he brings in Fisher right away has clouded a bright day .
Still sulking after Wales too.
Long walk on a cold beach lies ahead today | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 13:15 - Feb 13 with 654 views | NotLoyal |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 10:35 - Feb 12 by onehunglow |
Decent r3ply .Thanks .
Having read we actually paid MKD for his services and then he brings in Fisher right away has clouded a bright day .
Still sulking after Wales too.
Long walk on a cold beach lies ahead today |
All the figures were reported on here along with the huge profits made from the sale of Downes which Martin insisted on coming to Swansea when he joined the club.
Millions of pounds of profit made by the Americans. |  |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 18:35 - Feb 13 with 572 views | QJumpingJack |
if Martin is dismissed after Blackpool or Blackburn we should prepare ourselves for the fact it may take 3-4 weeks for a new manager to be appointed.
The club have not learnt anything after every transfer window and I would not expect anything different when it comes to a new manager - lets not forget the Cooper-Eustace-Martin fiasco of Summer 2021.
I would be amazed if they have someone lined up - ready to come in. | | | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 21:44 - Feb 13 with 536 views | STID2017 |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 13:15 - Feb 13 by NotLoyal |
All the figures were reported on here along with the huge profits made from the sale of Downes which Martin insisted on coming to Swansea when he joined the club.
Millions of pounds of profit made by the Americans. |
Apparently we are not to say Americans or Yanks ?
I was told by someone on here we should call them the owners as their nationality doesn't matter ?
Consider yourself told !!  | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 21:44 - Feb 13 with 529 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 13:15 - Feb 13 by NotLoyal |
All the figures were reported on here along with the huge profits made from the sale of Downes which Martin insisted on coming to Swansea when he joined the club.
Millions of pounds of profit made by the Americans. |
Profit on transfers is a necessity to cover the losses elsewhere, it’s not a luxury.
Profit in one section of a business to cover a bigger loss in another section is a net loss, not a profit.
And it’s that larger net loss or profit that determines what can be made available to invest elsewhere.
For example in the last set out accounts we lost £4.2m overall. That includes player sales and I believe parachute money was also in the last year.
Every year we will need to make a transfer profit to remain operational, failing to do so will mean we are relying on the owners to put in money to keep the lights on, like they did this and last year with the CLN. |  |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 22:01 - Feb 13 with 523 views | onehunglow |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 21:44 - Feb 13 by STID2017 |
Apparently we are not to say Americans or Yanks ?
I was told by someone on here we should call them the owners as their nationality doesn't matter ?
Consider yourself told !! |
What!
Told by whom?
Is this for real.
If so,then mighty sinister .
It’s as if no criticism is allowed at all.
Football,without fans whining,whining,complaining,overreacting or simply slagging off ,is nothing.
It is part of our fabric | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 22:16 - Feb 13 with 501 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 22:01 - Feb 13 by onehunglow |
What!
Told by whom?
Is this for real.
If so,then mighty sinister .
It’s as if no criticism is allowed at all.
Football,without fans whining,whining,complaining,overreacting or simply slagging off ,is nothing.
It is part of our fabric |
Don’t listen to him, he’s trolling again. A genuine descriptive term is fine.
“Americans” is fine.
“Yank owners” however is intended to undermine, as is inserting the word “American” before “owner” every-time you mention them. Their nationality has no bearing on anything.
It’s that continual nationality focus that leads to ridiculous American based tropes like “they didn’t know you could get relegated”. That’s a very simple case of saying they are stupid based on their nationality and likely experiences.
A bit like when people get offended when people mention the people of Liverpool being a certain way I suppose.
If they were African and the same things were being done, it would be causing absolute outrage. I’ve seen people tell them to “Go back to America” many times, in far less polite terms.
Imagine inserting “Africa” in that sentence. The club would be dragged through the virtue mud for the next decade.
Discuss the issues not the nationality. [Post edited 13 Feb 2023 22:18]
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 05:04 - Feb 14 with 413 views | STID2017 |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 22:01 - Feb 13 by onehunglow |
What!
Told by whom?
Is this for real.
If so,then mighty sinister .
It’s as if no criticism is allowed at all.
Football,without fans whining,whining,complaining,overreacting or simply slagging off ,is nothing.
It is part of our fabric |
For the answer to your question as to who Richie, lookat the post after mine.
Others used the term Yanks on here with no comment or redress from Dr P.
I used it and apparently I was a racist ?
Can't make it up.
Opinions are fine, but he constantly answers my comments with an oppositional view, then when I do the same he then accuses me of trolling him all the time ?
Go figure | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 05:15 - Feb 14 with 409 views | STID2017 |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 22:16 - Feb 13 by Dr_Parnassus |
Don’t listen to him, he’s trolling again. A genuine descriptive term is fine.
“Americans” is fine.
“Yank owners” however is intended to undermine, as is inserting the word “American” before “owner” every-time you mention them. Their nationality has no bearing on anything.
It’s that continual nationality focus that leads to ridiculous American based tropes like “they didn’t know you could get relegated”. That’s a very simple case of saying they are stupid based on their nationality and likely experiences.
A bit like when people get offended when people mention the people of Liverpool being a certain way I suppose.
If they were African and the same things were being done, it would be causing absolute outrage. I’ve seen people tell them to “Go back to America” many times, in far less polite terms.
Imagine inserting “Africa” in that sentence. The club would be dragged through the virtue mud for the next decade.
Discuss the issues not the nationality. [Post edited 13 Feb 2023 22:18]
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Strange how when you constantly follow me giving your view, it is fine, yet when I do the same to you it is trolling.?
My point to OHL is proven that you challenge me, but not others, on the same point, as you made no challenge or comment to NL's use of the term Americans rather just owners?
Or where others have used Yanks ( there have been plenty, though you chose not to challenge them )
Bit hypocritical don't you think ?
If it really offended you (rather than you just being oppositional to me on purpose) you would challenge it whenever it is said and by whoever it is said ? [Post edited 14 Feb 2023 6:26]
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 05:33 - Feb 14 with 400 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 05:15 - Feb 14 by STID2017 |
Strange how when you constantly follow me giving your view, it is fine, yet when I do the same to you it is trolling.?
My point to OHL is proven that you challenge me, but not others, on the same point, as you made no challenge or comment to NL's use of the term Americans rather just owners?
Or where others have used Yanks ( there have been plenty, though you chose not to challenge them )
Bit hypocritical don't you think ?
If it really offended you (rather than you just being oppositional to me on purpose) you would challenge it whenever it is said and by whoever it is said ? [Post edited 14 Feb 2023 6:26]
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You don’t give your view, you make points that have nothing to do with anything we are discussing which ruins the threads intentionally.
This is why you took me off ignore, it’s what you used to do prior.
I’m not offended by it. What made you think I was offended?
Where was the term “Yank” used by him? Can you point it out? | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 05:35 - Feb 14 with 399 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 05:04 - Feb 14 by STID2017 |
For the answer to your question as to who Richie, lookat the post after mine.
Others used the term Yanks on here with no comment or redress from Dr P.
I used it and apparently I was a racist ?
Can't make it up.
Opinions are fine, but he constantly answers my comments with an oppositional view, then when I do the same he then accuses me of trolling him all the time ?
Go figure |
I don’t think you have ever opposed a view have you?
You just make silly points like “I have no interest in your view” and such like. Responses and expressions of the opposite view are not the same thing.
You need to do more of the latter and less of the former, then people won’t call you a troll and accuse you of causing issues like they have the past couple of weeks. | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 06:33 - Feb 14 with 385 views | STID2017 |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 05:35 - Feb 14 by Dr_Parnassus |
I don’t think you have ever opposed a view have you?
You just make silly points like “I have no interest in your view” and such like. Responses and expressions of the opposite view are not the same thing.
You need to do more of the latter and less of the former, then people won’t call you a troll and accuse you of causing issues like they have the past couple of weeks. |
We have had lots of discussions,yesterday for example, where I gave my views on the Play Off Final team ?
Also many discussions on tge merits or otherwise of the owners or the manager ?
Plenty of expressions of the opposite view to be found.
The only person calling me a troll and accusing me of causing issues is you.
No one else.
As I have said umpteen times, if my viewpoints on topics and replies to you upset you so much then put me on ignore and you won't have to read them ? | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 06:39 - Feb 14 with 382 views | STID2017 |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 22:16 - Feb 13 by Dr_Parnassus |
Don’t listen to him, he’s trolling again. A genuine descriptive term is fine.
“Americans” is fine.
“Yank owners” however is intended to undermine, as is inserting the word “American” before “owner” every-time you mention them. Their nationality has no bearing on anything.
It’s that continual nationality focus that leads to ridiculous American based tropes like “they didn’t know you could get relegated”. That’s a very simple case of saying they are stupid based on their nationality and likely experiences.
A bit like when people get offended when people mention the people of Liverpool being a certain way I suppose.
If they were African and the same things were being done, it would be causing absolute outrage. I’ve seen people tell them to “Go back to America” many times, in far less polite terms.
Imagine inserting “Africa” in that sentence. The club would be dragged through the virtue mud for the next decade.
Discuss the issues not the nationality. [Post edited 13 Feb 2023 22:18]
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"if martin has been backed as you say, why is it we have no right back need another striker anda bit of pace you must agree, ? there was on more than 1 window deals done and vetoed by the owners, why employ a C E O ( who says nothing ) a good recruitment guy and then after all their work veto the deal? why dontthey come over have face to face meetings sort out the problems and agree budgets and bugger off out the way and let people who know how to run a club in the uk run it? Martin must carry some of the blame and he has admitted it, for me and a few others i think untill these American , yank , or whatever owners change their spots we are going to struggle next season if Klopp or any top manager would struggle with these owners, Burch new the score thats why he left , im just giving my honest opinion not looking for a fight but being realistic"
pete has just posted this on "Are the owners doing enough" thread.
I look forward to you challenging him and accusing him of using a racist term, as you did me [Post edited 14 Feb 2023 6:49]
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 06:41 - Feb 14 with 379 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 06:33 - Feb 14 by STID2017 |
We have had lots of discussions,yesterday for example, where I gave my views on the Play Off Final team ?
Also many discussions on tge merits or otherwise of the owners or the manager ?
Plenty of expressions of the opposite view to be found.
The only person calling me a troll and accusing me of causing issues is you.
No one else.
As I have said umpteen times, if my viewpoints on topics and replies to you upset you so much then put me on ignore and you won't have to read them ? |
They weren’t really your views, they were silly biased views where you claim Grimes hasn’t improved in 2 years and Bidwell never played in midfield - because it promotes your anti Cooper narrative.
Genuine discussion is most welcome, I have rarely seen it from you though.
As I’ve responded to you every time you have said it… what makes you think I’m offended?
You think challenging a view is the same as challenging a view with a salient and valid point, they aren’t. You are simply a poor imitator at the moment.
Sharpen up son. | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 06:48 - Feb 14 with 380 views | STID2017 |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 06:41 - Feb 14 by Dr_Parnassus |
They weren’t really your views, they were silly biased views where you claim Grimes hasn’t improved in 2 years and Bidwell never played in midfield - because it promotes your anti Cooper narrative.
Genuine discussion is most welcome, I have rarely seen it from you though.
As I’ve responded to you every time you have said it… what makes you think I’m offended?
You think challenging a view is the same as challenging a view with a salient and valid point, they aren’t. You are simply a poor imitator at the moment.
Sharpen up son. |
Clearly offended as you start using derogatory terms like "son"
Laughable as you would never use such a term to posters such as Keith.
Anyway as I said await your challenge to pete.
Or will you prove my point it is just me that offends you and you are just being oppositional to me, and actually don't care or aren't genuinely offended when the term Yank is used ? | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 07:02 - Feb 14 with 369 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 06:48 - Feb 14 by STID2017 |
Clearly offended as you start using derogatory terms like "son"
Laughable as you would never use such a term to posters such as Keith.
Anyway as I said await your challenge to pete.
Or will you prove my point it is just me that offends you and you are just being oppositional to me, and actually don't care or aren't genuinely offended when the term Yank is used ? |
Why is that offensive? and why would you be offending me?
Keith isn’t a troll last I checked, so people talk to him in a more civil manner.
My position on all this “yank owners” stuff is clear, I don’t need to hunt down every offending party. As one of the most persistent contributors to this site you should lead by example, especially with your past xenophobia faux pas.
Not offended by it in the slightest though son. | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 07:18 - Feb 14 with 366 views | STID2017 |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 07:02 - Feb 14 by Dr_Parnassus |
Why is that offensive? and why would you be offending me?
Keith isn’t a troll last I checked, so people talk to him in a more civil manner.
My position on all this “yank owners” stuff is clear, I don’t need to hunt down every offending party. As one of the most persistent contributors to this site you should lead by example, especially with your past xenophobia faux pas.
Not offended by it in the slightest though son. |
Sirjonalot, like Keith is an admin on her, yet you have spoken to him quite uncivilly many times.
The reason you would not challenge Keith in the same way has nothing to do with his manner.
It is purely because he is the owner and can of course veto your account should he wish. | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 07:19 - Feb 14 with 361 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 07:18 - Feb 14 by STID2017 |
Sirjonalot, like Keith is an admin on her, yet you have spoken to him quite uncivilly many times.
The reason you would not challenge Keith in the same way has nothing to do with his manner.
It is purely because he is the owner and can of course veto your account should he wish. |
Really? Do you have any examples?
I’m stern at times but never uncivil.
Why don’t you go badgering every Keith post and making silly posts in response to him?
Oh… | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 07:23 - Feb 14 with 360 views | STID2017 |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 07:19 - Feb 14 by Dr_Parnassus |
Really? Do you have any examples?
I’m stern at times but never uncivil.
Why don’t you go badgering every Keith post and making silly posts in response to him?
Oh… |
Have challenged Keith on many topics, however he is stern but civil.
I thing Sirjonalot would beg to differ | |
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| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 07:27 - Feb 14 with 353 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Showdown talks this week for Russell Martin at Swansea City on 07:23 - Feb 14 by STID2017 |
Have challenged Keith on many topics, however he is stern but civil.
I thing Sirjonalot would beg to differ |
Any examples there?
Would be fascinated to have a look. All I see in your post history is silly obsessive posts to me.
Any quotes of me being uncivil to John? No?
Funny that. [Post edited 14 Feb 2023 7:31]
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