| Indy support falls 17:28 - Mar 3 with 7323 views | SullutaCreturned |
I'm surprised nobody has posted this,
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/
It also looks like Plaid Cymru are in disarray,
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/
It's not really a good look, is it? Plaid and thir great Welsh hope are nothing more than a clique of self serving no hopers and the Indy support hit a high but now support is waning as it looks much like Labour will thrash the tories in the next GE and with Sturgeon going it appears indy support in Scotland has fallen too.
Reports of the death of the UK seem quite premature! |  | | |  |
| Indy support falls on 17:44 - Mar 3 with 2964 views | Dr_Winston |
There will be periodic upswells but the reality is if it came to the crunch maybe 10-15% would actually vote for Independence. Given the shitshow that was the Senedd response to Covid and the ongoing lunacy about stuff like road building that seem custom designed to discourage inwards investment, we should probably be thankful for that.
I suspect a lot of the recent resurgence (which still barely got above 20%) was driven by the "Together, Stronger" slogan and general mood attached to the football, which is all well and good when you've got a strong generation of players and are reaching tournaments. Let's see how united the fans are when we're struggling to beat Finland again. I give it one poor qualification campaign before the Scummers are back to hunting in packs. [Post edited 3 Mar 2023 17:46]
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| Indy support falls on 18:43 - Mar 3 with 2928 views | Togg |
No doubt the Plastic Paddy will be posting to the contrary. All his 5 year old mates, the yoof of today will be posting their juvenile tweets, with load of flags and emojis.  | | | |
| Indy support falls on 08:24 - Mar 4 with 2827 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
I've been catching up with my neighbour who originates from Italy. He has talked out the issues in the South of Italy, lack of investment has led to younger people leaving that has led to a skills shortage which is preventing economic investment.
The long term impacts of a lack of focus on the economy and issues like the Bryn Glas tunnels are a concern for me.
"Analysis: Skills shortage in southern Italy could stymie recovery drive | Reuters" https://www.reuters.com/world/ |  |
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| Indy support falls on 09:09 - Mar 4 with 2806 views | Togg |
| Indy support falls on 08:24 - Mar 4 by JACKMANANDBOY |
I've been catching up with my neighbour who originates from Italy. He has talked out the issues in the South of Italy, lack of investment has led to younger people leaving that has led to a skills shortage which is preventing economic investment.
The long term impacts of a lack of focus on the economy and issues like the Bryn Glas tunnels are a concern for me.
"Analysis: Skills shortage in southern Italy could stymie recovery drive | Reuters" https://www.reuters.com/world/ |
Bryn Glas tunnels that ship has well and truly sailed. :( | | | |
| Indy support falls on 12:56 - Mar 4 with 2765 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Indy support falls on 09:09 - Mar 4 by Togg |
Bryn Glas tunnels that ship has well and truly sailed. :( |
Two things, first up, have none of our indy supporting posters got anything to say here, or have they not logged on?
Second, Lee Waters, the man who pushes the line we won't build more roads or improve them; Use public transport he sys,
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/
Hypocrite. | | | |
| Indy support falls on 15:03 - Mar 4 with 2725 views | Boundy |
| Indy support falls on 12:56 - Mar 4 by SullutaCreturned |
Two things, first up, have none of our indy supporting posters got anything to say here, or have they not logged on?
Second, Lee Waters, the man who pushes the line we won't build more roads or improve them; Use public transport he sys,
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/
Hypocrite. |
What can they say ,except its just as bad in England etc etc . Another case of do as I say not as I do | |
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| Indy support falls on 16:46 - Mar 4 with 2695 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Indy support falls on 15:03 - Mar 4 by Boundy |
What can they say ,except its just as bad in England etc etc . Another case of do as I say not as I do |
There's usually a lot of whataboutery around this but not this time. We've had Kilkenny insisting support will keep on rising but obviously not.
I did see the claim that this was because of the tories being so rubbish that Labour are nailed on to win th next GE. If that's true then Labour could help to cement their position by doing some positive stuff for Wales.
Maybe if Starmer offered money for an M4 relief, Drakeford (or Gething/A.N.Other) will accept it? I'd love that to happen, Starmer to offer the money. | | | |
| Indy support falls on 17:09 - Mar 4 with 2683 views | Wingstandwood |
| Indy support falls on 16:46 - Mar 4 by SullutaCreturned |
There's usually a lot of whataboutery around this but not this time. We've had Kilkenny insisting support will keep on rising but obviously not.
I did see the claim that this was because of the tories being so rubbish that Labour are nailed on to win th next GE. If that's true then Labour could help to cement their position by doing some positive stuff for Wales.
Maybe if Starmer offered money for an M4 relief, Drakeford (or Gething/A.N.Other) will accept it? I'd love that to happen, Starmer to offer the money. |
IMO if it was accepted, it would only be with gritted teeth by means of arm twisting, because there is an obvious strategy at play to impoverish Wales and turn it into an even worse basket case and economic backwater than what it actually is now. Because impoverished area's tend to vote Labour and never ever learn from lemming like voting stupidity . "Keep em poor, keep em voting for us". A party for the people that punishes the very people that votes for it. Surreal!
But of course money would imo be accepted for wealthy area's in Cardiff and suburbia where Labour A.M's, party political hangers-on and media tend to live, because property prices can rise substantially in the value of homes and second homes that are owned in places like Cardiff Bay etc. |  |
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| Indy support falls on 18:03 - Mar 4 with 2643 views | britferry |
I would like a vote on the future of Cardiff Bay, I voted for it but I would vote to scrap it now | |
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| Indy support falls on 18:25 - Mar 4 with 2633 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Indy support falls on 18:03 - Mar 4 by britferry |
I would like a vote on the future of Cardiff Bay, I voted for it but I would vote to scrap it now |
They will constantly ask for a second vote on the EU but the Nats will never give us a vote on devolution. | | | |
| Indy support falls on 19:07 - Mar 4 with 2620 views | Togg |
| Indy support falls on 12:56 - Mar 4 by SullutaCreturned |
Two things, first up, have none of our indy supporting posters got anything to say here, or have they not logged on?
Second, Lee Waters, the man who pushes the line we won't build more roads or improve them; Use public transport he sys,
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/
Hypocrite. |
I see Adam Price and Plaid Crappy want tax increases. Well that on top of Council tax increase, cost of living increase, would mean everybody who has been on strike for wage increases would see the extra money just swallowed up. The fact is more money in people's pockets, means more disposable income, which means more revenue for the Government | | | |
| Indy support falls on 20:10 - Mar 4 with 2584 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Indy support falls on 19:07 - Mar 4 by Togg |
I see Adam Price and Plaid Crappy want tax increases. Well that on top of Council tax increase, cost of living increase, would mean everybody who has been on strike for wage increases would see the extra money just swallowed up. The fact is more money in people's pockets, means more disposable income, which means more revenue for the Government |
At the end of 2021/22 public sector net debt was £2,373 billion (i.e. £2.4 trillion), or 97% of GDP. This is equivalent to around £35,000 per person in the UK.
Cymru cannot afford to stay in the uk.
The Tory leader Liz Truss cost the uk £30 billion in days.
The senedd is a model for responsible government compared to the Brexit Tory failures and wide scale corruption. |  |
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| Indy support falls on 06:44 - Mar 5 with 2528 views | Togg |
| Indy support falls on 20:10 - Mar 4 by Kilkennyjack |
At the end of 2021/22 public sector net debt was £2,373 billion (i.e. £2.4 trillion), or 97% of GDP. This is equivalent to around £35,000 per person in the UK.
Cymru cannot afford to stay in the uk.
The Tory leader Liz Truss cost the uk £30 billion in days.
The senedd is a model for responsible government compared to the Brexit Tory failures and wide scale corruption. |
Is this the same Senedd which has the worst NHS in the UK, won't build a much needed relief road on the M4. In fact won't be building any roads. | | | |
| Indy support falls on 06:57 - Mar 5 with 2521 views | Scotia |
| Indy support falls on 20:10 - Mar 4 by Kilkennyjack |
At the end of 2021/22 public sector net debt was £2,373 billion (i.e. £2.4 trillion), or 97% of GDP. This is equivalent to around £35,000 per person in the UK.
Cymru cannot afford to stay in the uk.
The Tory leader Liz Truss cost the uk £30 billion in days.
The senedd is a model for responsible government compared to the Brexit Tory failures and wide scale corruption. |
How on earth can the Senedd afford to give me a free prescription and my daughter a free lunch on every school day? Neither of which I'd qualify for over the border.
Personally I'd rather a few more pounds were spent on the NHS. | | | |
| Indy support falls on 08:36 - Mar 5 with 2487 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Indy support falls on 20:10 - Mar 4 by Kilkennyjack |
At the end of 2021/22 public sector net debt was £2,373 billion (i.e. £2.4 trillion), or 97% of GDP. This is equivalent to around £35,000 per person in the UK.
Cymru cannot afford to stay in the uk.
The Tory leader Liz Truss cost the uk £30 billion in days.
The senedd is a model for responsible government compared to the Brexit Tory failures and wide scale corruption. |
The senedd still relies on the £3000 per person subsidy from UK taxpayers but still asks for more. Where does the Senedd spend this extra £9 billion a year? | |
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| Indy support falls on 08:46 - Mar 5 with 2477 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Indy support falls on 06:57 - Mar 5 by Scotia |
How on earth can the Senedd afford to give me a free prescription and my daughter a free lunch on every school day? Neither of which I'd qualify for over the border.
Personally I'd rather a few more pounds were spent on the NHS. |
Your last sentence is so spot on, but we do things differently in Wales. Absolute horseshyte ...... free prescriptions for people who qualify is fantastic , but for stuff you can buy in lidl or aldi for literally pence is madness. |  | | |
| Indy support falls on 08:46 - Mar 5 with 2476 views | Treforys_Jack |
Now you've gone and done it,.......... | | | |
| Indy support falls on 10:40 - Mar 5 with 2441 views | raynor94 |
| Indy support falls on 06:57 - Mar 5 by Scotia |
How on earth can the Senedd afford to give me a free prescription and my daughter a free lunch on every school day? Neither of which I'd qualify for over the border.
Personally I'd rather a few more pounds were spent on the NHS. |
Spot on, I have always said prescriptions and school meals should be means tested.
Ridiculous how many can easily afford them and get them free |  |
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| Indy support falls on 11:31 - Mar 5 with 2412 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Indy support falls on 08:36 - Mar 5 by felixstowe_jack |
The senedd still relies on the £3000 per person subsidy from UK taxpayers but still asks for more. Where does the Senedd spend this extra £9 billion a year? |
It's a good question. Why is such a "responsible government" wasting so much money. Why are they on the verge of increasing their number and so increasing te political costs to us when we are apparently broke.
Why do they not make the health of the Welsh population their biggest priority? There's money for them to fly abroad, to promote Welsh, to increase their number, to have numerous public consultations which they ignore or to claim on expenses (Lee Waters, No1 hypocrite) but not extra money so peoples health problems can be deat with.
I wonder if, next time the politicians want a pay rise they will say the public purse cannot afford it? | | | |
| Indy support falls on 12:20 - Mar 5 with 2372 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Indy support falls on 08:46 - Mar 5 by Treforys_Jack |
Your last sentence is so spot on, but we do things differently in Wales. Absolute horseshyte ...... free prescriptions for people who qualify is fantastic , but for stuff you can buy in lidl or aldi for literally pence is madness. |
Then there's public sector wages, we cannot afford a cost of living rise for the workers but the people in charge have no worries about whether to heat or eat,
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/ | | | |
| Indy support falls on 12:52 - Mar 5 with 2345 views | Gwyn737 |
| Indy support falls on 18:25 - Mar 4 by SullutaCreturned |
They will constantly ask for a second vote on the EU but the Nats will never give us a vote on devolution. |
I’ve mentioned something along these lines before.
IMO opinion wanting to remain in the EU is/was consistent with wanting to remain in the union.
Wanting Brexit and wanting independence is consistent.
It’s the same arguments more or less. | | | |
| Indy support falls on 15:35 - Mar 5 with 2291 views | builthjack |
So Sunak is jumping up and down shouting yes, yes, yes, because of the Northern Ireland / Europe stuff.
Doesn’t he realise we had this for the whole of the UK before they sold a few people some lies.
Thick as mince he is. |  |
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| Indy support falls on 16:56 - Mar 5 with 2267 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Indy support falls on 15:35 - Mar 5 by builthjack |
So Sunak is jumping up and down shouting yes, yes, yes, because of the Northern Ireland / Europe stuff.
Doesn’t he realise we had this for the whole of the UK before they sold a few people some lies.
Thick as mince he is. |
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| Indy support falls on 18:35 - Mar 5 with 2236 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Indy support falls on 12:52 - Mar 5 by Gwyn737 |
I’ve mentioned something along these lines before.
IMO opinion wanting to remain in the EU is/was consistent with wanting to remain in the union.
Wanting Brexit and wanting independence is consistent.
It’s the same arguments more or less. |
No it's not. Personally, as much as UK politicians are useless. I wanted to be ruled by people I had voted for, or against. I didn't want to be ruled by "appointed" commissioners chosen in cosy behind doors deals who had never faced a public vote.
I think the point is fairly proven by the fact that the Welsh indy crowd mostly seem to be keen on rejoining the EU whereas the brexit crowd are mostly pro Union. | | | |
| Indy support falls on 18:56 - Mar 5 with 2209 views | Gwyn737 |
| Indy support falls on 18:35 - Mar 5 by SullutaCreturned |
No it's not. Personally, as much as UK politicians are useless. I wanted to be ruled by people I had voted for, or against. I didn't want to be ruled by "appointed" commissioners chosen in cosy behind doors deals who had never faced a public vote.
I think the point is fairly proven by the fact that the Welsh indy crowd mostly seem to be keen on rejoining the EU whereas the brexit crowd are mostly pro Union. |
That’s kind of my point, Cat.
The Indy types go on about not wanting to be ruled by Westminster, having decisions made from ‘afar’ and not wanting to recognise parliaments authority but are happy to cede control to the unelected in Brussels. I don’t see that as consistent.
On the other side (particularly over the bridge), the Brexit supporters won’t give a stuff about cutting wales loose.
However, wanting Brexit then being pro union isn’t consistent.
There’ll be exceptions of course depending on which type of Brexit an individual wanted but I’m just generalising. | | | |
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