| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell 08:00 - Apr 30 with 3095 views | SwansIndependent |
 Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell Martin 30th Apr 2023 08:00Swansea City have undertaken a three month search to ensure that the January transfer window debacle we all witnessed recently doesn’t occur again. At least whilst the current majority ownership are in charge at the club. To date Josh Marsh carries the title of ‘Head Of Football Operations’ He has been at the club for a year but now seems to be the man in the firing line. The thirty one year old who came to Swansea as a result of Julian Winter’s connections to his old club Huddersfield Town is due to be relieved of his duties this week.  0
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| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 09:59 - Apr 30 with 2921 views | SullutaCreturned |
It might only be me but I see that as the owners dumping all the blame onto Marsh when, in my eyes at least, they themselves carry quite a bit of the responsibility.
Isn't this what we'd call "passing the buck"? | | | |
| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 10:09 - Apr 30 with 2889 views | Whiterockin |
| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 09:59 - Apr 30 by SullutaCreturned |
It might only be me but I see that as the owners dumping all the blame onto Marsh when, in my eyes at least, they themselves carry quite a bit of the responsibility.
Isn't this what we'd call "passing the buck"? |
You have to ask who employed Marsh, the buck always stops at the top. They have done good things for the club but they have also made some terrible mistakes. |  | | |
| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 10:17 - Apr 30 with 2873 views | EagleEye |
| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 10:09 - Apr 30 by Whiterockin |
You have to ask who employed Marsh, the buck always stops at the top. They have done good things for the club but they have also made some terrible mistakes. |
Josh Marsh would surely have been recommended by Julian Winter. Many fans are underwhelmed to say the least with Winter who seems a pretty anonymous presence conspicuous by poor to non existent communication skills. You would expect someone in his position to be far better in demonstrating leadership & direction |  | | |
| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 10:17 - Apr 30 with 2873 views | KeithHaynes |
| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 10:09 - Apr 30 by Whiterockin |
You have to ask who employed Marsh, the buck always stops at the top. They have done good things for the club but they have also made some terrible mistakes. |
Winter was his primary supporter. |  |
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| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 10:49 - Apr 30 with 2751 views | PawelAbbott |
This can't be at all true!!!
More than one poster on here has regailed us with what a business master stroke the January transfer window was. How it forced Martin to work with the Assets he had, as though it was a thoroughly planned psychological triumph.
No one gets moved on for executing such ingenious plans | | | |
| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 11:46 - Apr 30 with 2658 views | magicdaps10 |
| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 10:09 - Apr 30 by Whiterockin |
You have to ask who employed Marsh, the buck always stops at the top. They have done good things for the club but they have also made some terrible mistakes. |
And so on..... Who employed Winter.
This is the standard set by some, Martin pulls a trick like this and he gets hounded, the owners do it and it's applauded.
The standards by a few on here are head scratching and it's been like it for a while.
I will always look at things logically and I will applaud what is happening here, long time overdue and being proactive. |  |
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| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 11:51 - Apr 30 with 2648 views | magicdaps10 |
| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 10:49 - Apr 30 by PawelAbbott |
This can't be at all true!!!
More than one poster on here has regailed us with what a business master stroke the January transfer window was. How it forced Martin to work with the Assets he had, as though it was a thoroughly planned psychological triumph.
No one gets moved on for executing such ingenious plans |
It's all a load of Tosh Pawell, contradiction after contradiction and god help you if you post something they don't like.
I will add though, regardless of the story(as decent as it is) , this hasn't been something that has taken months to happen.....coincidental that this is happening with new guys coming on board especially one who is likely to be stumping up more money than is being reported and has bigger plans than just joining the board.
There is a lot of noise.....noise AFTER the cat came out of the bag regards these investors. | |
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| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 22:53 - Apr 30 with 2366 views | PawelAbbott |
| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 11:51 - Apr 30 by magicdaps10 |
It's all a load of Tosh Pawell, contradiction after contradiction and god help you if you post something they don't like.
I will add though, regardless of the story(as decent as it is) , this hasn't been something that has taken months to happen.....coincidental that this is happening with new guys coming on board especially one who is likely to be stumping up more money than is being reported and has bigger plans than just joining the board.
There is a lot of noise.....noise AFTER the cat came out of the bag regards these investors. |
The idea that some thought went into the January transfer window is laughable. The idea that they've put much thought into any transfer window is laughable.
The year we were relegated, we end up with a crocked Bony and some poor Championship players. No thought there at all.
It doesn't matter how much the Americans spin things, they are out of their depth and sinking fast. | | | |
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| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 01:04 - May 1 with 2304 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 22:53 - Apr 30 by PawelAbbott |
The idea that some thought went into the January transfer window is laughable. The idea that they've put much thought into any transfer window is laughable.
The year we were relegated, we end up with a crocked Bony and some poor Championship players. No thought there at all.
It doesn't matter how much the Americans spin things, they are out of their depth and sinking fast. |
There was no money to spend in January and Martin was telling fans incoming transfers were required.
Had Marsh / Martin / Winter shifted Whittaker, Patterson and Obafemi there was room for manoeuvre. A few players could have gone on loan as well but did not Abduallai for example.
I suspect the US owners were not displeased that Grant did not come and declined out over pay big fees for other players. (Key, Ogbene perhaps?)
They considered that it would be better for Martin to settle his differences with Patterson and Whittaker and use freshly available Walsh and use Cooper, Cullen and Darling more and ditch Stevens and Oko Flex. It was a genuine US management decisions and the correct ones.
Martin did not want Whittaker back and perhaps wanted Patterson out. He was given no alternatives. This is management. They gave the harsh fact to Martin and soft soaped the fans taking the blame on themselves. Good management. Martin considered resignation perhaps but chose to fight and play the hand he was delivered.
Marsh perhaps did not impress in general. He is only 31 and too young perhaps.
Mark Allen was not just recruitment. He was overseeing the whole club from 16s and above and theoretically was assessing coaching teams at various levels, best practice in a number of fields, logistics, and player trading an recommending packages to Winter.
The US people have a lot of experience. They have been mugged over recruitment under both Jenkins /Ledbetter and Potter. I do not blame them for being very careful. They have been sold a number of pups over their 7 years in charge. |  |
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| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 01:47 - May 1 with 2277 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 11:51 - Apr 30 by magicdaps10 |
It's all a load of Tosh Pawell, contradiction after contradiction and god help you if you post something they don't like.
I will add though, regardless of the story(as decent as it is) , this hasn't been something that has taken months to happen.....coincidental that this is happening with new guys coming on board especially one who is likely to be stumping up more money than is being reported and has bigger plans than just joining the board.
There is a lot of noise.....noise AFTER the cat came out of the bag regards these investors. |
It’s happening because it’s the end of the season.
This was a search that has taken months with a view to complete at seasons end, fact.
Daps, surely by now you must realise some of us know what’s happening. You don’t have to be Inspector Clouseau. Take a breather and just read what you are being told instead of pushing back against it all the time.
Not a single thing I have said on here has ever not materialised and always proven to be the case. This was majority shareholder led and been in the works since late Jan/early Feb. Zero to do with the new investors… and zero to do with Martin Morgan before you start with that rubbish again…
As for ‘noise AFTER the cat came out of the bag’, I said on here “the new investor’S’ (told you very clearly it was more than one) have nothing to do with Martin Morgan and said that will become abundantly clear when the names are released”.
Andy is from DC United (majority owners club), Nigel is based on East Coast of the US (shock horror) Brett based on the West Coast of the US (coincidence?).
When you made up that the new investor (you clearly thought it was just one) was with Martin Morgan in the box, I immediately called you out on it because I knew where both were and even told you what countries they were in that very same night…. You had to then fess up.
Think about that for a second.
As much as you do your best to slate our owners, they are doing a cracking job. [Post edited 1 May 2023 2:19]
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| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 09:45 - May 1 with 2163 views | magicdaps10 |
| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 01:47 - May 1 by Dr_Parnassus |
It’s happening because it’s the end of the season.
This was a search that has taken months with a view to complete at seasons end, fact.
Daps, surely by now you must realise some of us know what’s happening. You don’t have to be Inspector Clouseau. Take a breather and just read what you are being told instead of pushing back against it all the time.
Not a single thing I have said on here has ever not materialised and always proven to be the case. This was majority shareholder led and been in the works since late Jan/early Feb. Zero to do with the new investors… and zero to do with Martin Morgan before you start with that rubbish again…
As for ‘noise AFTER the cat came out of the bag’, I said on here “the new investor’S’ (told you very clearly it was more than one) have nothing to do with Martin Morgan and said that will become abundantly clear when the names are released”.
Andy is from DC United (majority owners club), Nigel is based on East Coast of the US (shock horror) Brett based on the West Coast of the US (coincidence?).
When you made up that the new investor (you clearly thought it was just one) was with Martin Morgan in the box, I immediately called you out on it because I knew where both were and even told you what countries they were in that very same night…. You had to then fess up.
Think about that for a second.
As much as you do your best to slate our owners, they are doing a cracking job. [Post edited 1 May 2023 2:19]
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Don't fall for it Doc, one has real interest and is putting in and will be putting more money in and has real plans.
Two have links to the current board and will be putting very little in, some would say it's a smokescreen to dilute the others involvement.
Put your seat belt on, it's going to be interesting to say the very least. | |
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| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 09:49 - May 1 with 2152 views | Badlands |
| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 09:59 - Apr 30 by SullutaCreturned |
It might only be me but I see that as the owners dumping all the blame onto Marsh when, in my eyes at least, they themselves carry quite a bit of the responsibility.
Isn't this what we'd call "passing the buck"? |
The owners appoint someone to do a job.
That person is not particularly successful.
Owners recognise that employee needs help or to be superseded by someone else.
They act.
How is that, 'passing the buck'? |  |
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| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 09:56 - May 1 with 2128 views | KeithHaynes |
| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 11:46 - Apr 30 by magicdaps10 |
And so on..... Who employed Winter.
This is the standard set by some, Martin pulls a trick like this and he gets hounded, the owners do it and it's applauded.
The standards by a few on here are head scratching and it's been like it for a while.
I will always look at things logically and I will applaud what is happening here, long time overdue and being proactive. |
Trevor Birch was one of those who recommended Winter upon his departure to Spurs. | |
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| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 12:35 - May 1 with 1981 views | PawelAbbott |
| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 01:04 - May 1 by ReslovenSwan1 |
There was no money to spend in January and Martin was telling fans incoming transfers were required.
Had Marsh / Martin / Winter shifted Whittaker, Patterson and Obafemi there was room for manoeuvre. A few players could have gone on loan as well but did not Abduallai for example.
I suspect the US owners were not displeased that Grant did not come and declined out over pay big fees for other players. (Key, Ogbene perhaps?)
They considered that it would be better for Martin to settle his differences with Patterson and Whittaker and use freshly available Walsh and use Cooper, Cullen and Darling more and ditch Stevens and Oko Flex. It was a genuine US management decisions and the correct ones.
Martin did not want Whittaker back and perhaps wanted Patterson out. He was given no alternatives. This is management. They gave the harsh fact to Martin and soft soaped the fans taking the blame on themselves. Good management. Martin considered resignation perhaps but chose to fight and play the hand he was delivered.
Marsh perhaps did not impress in general. He is only 31 and too young perhaps.
Mark Allen was not just recruitment. He was overseeing the whole club from 16s and above and theoretically was assessing coaching teams at various levels, best practice in a number of fields, logistics, and player trading an recommending packages to Winter.
The US people have a lot of experience. They have been mugged over recruitment under both Jenkins /Ledbetter and Potter. I do not blame them for being very careful. They have been sold a number of pups over their 7 years in charge. |
If there was no money to spend, then why are some proclaiming it to be a managerial master stroke?
If there is no money, then there are no signings, that's understandable. But then people can't proclaim it to be something it's not.
There is a poster on here, who is clearly part of the board, who proclaims acts of inspired business acumen by the Owners at every chance. | | | |
| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 13:04 - May 1 with 1942 views | magicdaps10 |
| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 12:35 - May 1 by PawelAbbott |
If there was no money to spend, then why are some proclaiming it to be a managerial master stroke?
If there is no money, then there are no signings, that's understandable. But then people can't proclaim it to be something it's not.
There is a poster on here, who is clearly part of the board, who proclaims acts of inspired business acumen by the Owners at every chance. |
I suppose it was good business management if there was no money 😂 | |
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| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 13:26 - May 1 with 1898 views | onehunglow |
| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 22:53 - Apr 30 by PawelAbbott |
The idea that some thought went into the January transfer window is laughable. The idea that they've put much thought into any transfer window is laughable.
The year we were relegated, we end up with a crocked Bony and some poor Championship players. No thought there at all.
It doesn't matter how much the Americans spin things, they are out of their depth and sinking fast. |
Absolutely right.
Our management has been appalling Nd the lack of foresight staggering .
It took years to get us to the Prem,years of hard work and ambition, then we let it go spectacularly.
That is not entitlement but simple ambition | |
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| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 13:54 - May 1 with 1856 views | BillyChong |
| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 13:26 - May 1 by onehunglow |
Absolutely right.
Our management has been appalling Nd the lack of foresight staggering .
It took years to get us to the Prem,years of hard work and ambition, then we let it go spectacularly.
That is not entitlement but simple ambition |
Correct | | | |
| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 15:25 - May 1 with 1787 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 09:45 - May 1 by magicdaps10 |
Don't fall for it Doc, one has real interest and is putting in and will be putting more money in and has real plans.
Two have links to the current board and will be putting very little in, some would say it's a smokescreen to dilute the others involvement.
Put your seat belt on, it's going to be interesting to say the very least. |
You have that the wrong way round squire. | |
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| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 18:43 - May 1 with 1644 views | ModeratorD |
| Exclusive : How the Swans got their man & what the future holds for Russell on 09:59 - Apr 30 by SullutaCreturned |
It might only be me but I see that as the owners dumping all the blame onto Marsh when, in my eyes at least, they themselves carry quite a bit of the responsibility.
Isn't this what we'd call "passing the buck"? |
Or possibly the owners recognised that they had appointed the wrong man - twice - and are rectifying their mistakes ?
I think the above article indicates a new positive future for the club. | | | |
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