| Colchester fans now 21:08 - Dec 7 with 4841 views | NotLoyal |
Being told if they boo the knee gesture they wont be welcome at the ground.
I wonder if we are not too far away from ejections from the ground for booing? |  |
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| Colchester fans now on 21:17 - Dec 7 with 1424 views | Badlands |
No, for supporting racism. |  |
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| Colchester fans now on 21:18 - Dec 7 with 1423 views | Neath_Jack |
That's the hammer.
Players walking off the pitch would be another way. |  |
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| Colchester fans now on 21:25 - Dec 7 with 1415 views | Jack59 |
I think a lot of fans are getting hugely turned off by the politics now entering the game.
This will for sure, see smaller attendances, less tv money, and greatly reduced financial contracts for the players in future years. |  | | |
| Colchester fans now on 21:28 - Dec 7 with 1405 views | Neath_Jack |
| Colchester fans now on 21:25 - Dec 7 by Jack59 |
I think a lot of fans are getting hugely turned off by the politics now entering the game.
This will for sure, see smaller attendances, less tv money, and greatly reduced financial contracts for the players in future years. |
Nah it won't, premier league grounds will still be packed out.
Lower leagues may take a small hit, but most people will rant online that they are going to pack their ST in, or cancel their sky subscription etc because they are annoyed, but very few will. Business as usual, when crowds are allowed back in. | |
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| Colchester fans now on 21:30 - Dec 7 with 1401 views | Andy1300 |
What a great way to disenfranchise your fans.
If people want to boo, that’s their right.
If clubs want to ban them, that’s their right.
I guess a lot of clubs will think twice about imposing that rule. |  |
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| Colchester fans now on 21:34 - Dec 7 with 1396 views | Badlands |
| Colchester fans now on 21:25 - Dec 7 by Jack59 |
I think a lot of fans are getting hugely turned off by the politics now entering the game.
This will for sure, see smaller attendances, less tv money, and greatly reduced financial contracts for the players in future years. |
It says a lot if fans stay away from games because players kneel down before a game to support fair play, equality and signify an abhorrence of racism.
Do you also support the banning of poppies on shirts in November? | |
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| Colchester fans now on 21:36 - Dec 7 with 1391 views | Andy1300 |
| Colchester fans now on 21:34 - Dec 7 by Badlands |
It says a lot if fans stay away from games because players kneel down before a game to support fair play, equality and signify an abhorrence of racism.
Do you also support the banning of poppies on shirts in November? |
Totally different kettle of fish | |
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| Colchester fans now on 21:37 - Dec 7 with 1372 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Colchester fans now on 21:17 - Dec 7 by Badlands |
No, for supporting racism. |
Do you reckon the same fans would have the same reaction to a kick it out banner being held aloft by players at the start of the games?
I don’t think you would hear a single word of disagreement.
So instead of doubling down on the virtue signalling by punishing people, maybe they should ask them what it is they don’t like about it.
My question is why is everyone so insistent that we convey an anti racist message, one that everyone will support (barring the odd one or two idiots), through a highly political channel. You have to ask what the actual goal is, the pushing of the politics or the message itself?
If it’s the message then people should have no problem getting rid of the political side and promoting the anti racism message so this whole nonsense can end and we can all focus on the issue.
But hey, since when was common sense desirable when there is animosity to be had, right? |  |
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| Colchester fans now on 21:55 - Dec 7 with 1350 views | raynor94 |
| Colchester fans now on 21:34 - Dec 7 by Badlands |
It says a lot if fans stay away from games because players kneel down before a game to support fair play, equality and signify an abhorrence of racism.
Do you also support the banning of poppies on shirts in November? |
So how long do you propose for this to go on for, surely the point has been made. |  |
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| Colchester fans now on 21:57 - Dec 7 with 1350 views | Jack59 |
| Colchester fans now on 21:34 - Dec 7 by Badlands |
It says a lot if fans stay away from games because players kneel down before a game to support fair play, equality and signify an abhorrence of racism.
Do you also support the banning of poppies on shirts in November? |
I do for remembrance one day a year. It is for 40 million dead after all.
But we've got to demonstrate support for BLM every F****ing game.
Yeah! that makes sense. | | | |
| Colchester fans now on 22:01 - Dec 7 with 1339 views | Glossolalia |
| Colchester fans now on 21:37 - Dec 7 by Dr_Parnassus |
Do you reckon the same fans would have the same reaction to a kick it out banner being held aloft by players at the start of the games?
I don’t think you would hear a single word of disagreement.
So instead of doubling down on the virtue signalling by punishing people, maybe they should ask them what it is they don’t like about it.
My question is why is everyone so insistent that we convey an anti racist message, one that everyone will support (barring the odd one or two idiots), through a highly political channel. You have to ask what the actual goal is, the pushing of the politics or the message itself?
If it’s the message then people should have no problem getting rid of the political side and promoting the anti racism message so this whole nonsense can end and we can all focus on the issue.
But hey, since when was common sense desirable when there is animosity to be had, right? |
You, sir, get it.
The original BLM message is associated with a clear, political group. I don't care if it's left or right wing - its promotion in sport is a contradiction.
If we are to insist football and other sports are used as a means to raise awareness of social issues, we need to start afresh, and apolitically. It's not hard.
Myself, I wouldn't mind it. But then again, I don't watch sport for that reason. Ultimately, sport for many is relief from daily monotony and the struggles of life. It's fantasy and if we're to be realistic, it's a tad grotesque. There are far more ways to get messages across, and in different spheres that aren't as potentially condescending and hard to tolerate.
No one here is supporting racism by questioning the continuation of taking the knee.
I wouldn't boo it. That's tactless and will, in this climate, be only seen as one thing. However, the result of their booing is, I feel, what most desire, as the Millwall and QPR players will link arms instead or kneeling in their next game.
So there we are: an apolitical, refreshed display of solidarity. All it took was an unequivocal repudiation of politics in sport. [Post edited 7 Dec 2020 22:21]
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| Colchester fans now on 22:07 - Dec 7 with 1325 views | angryjack |
B L M...boo like Millwall..its time to stop taking the knee now..trouble is its getting rammed down our throats now and if anyone speaks up they get black balled, everybody should have a choice even some players have had enough.. | | | |
| Colchester fans now on 22:10 - Dec 7 with 1318 views | raynor94 |
| Colchester fans now on 22:07 - Dec 7 by angryjack |
B L M...boo like Millwall..its time to stop taking the knee now..trouble is its getting rammed down our throats now and if anyone speaks up they get black balled, everybody should have a choice even some players have had enough.. |
Here's a rare one, I agree with you 100%  | |
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| Colchester fans now on 22:11 - Dec 7 with 1315 views | jasper_T |
Can only hope our club takes the same stance. Otherwise it really is just another empty gesture and the racists get to pat themselves on the back and feel comfortable again. | | | |
| Colchester fans now on 22:13 - Dec 7 with 1301 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Colchester fans now on 22:07 - Dec 7 by angryjack |
B L M...boo like Millwall..its time to stop taking the knee now..trouble is its getting rammed down our throats now and if anyone speaks up they get black balled, everybody should have a choice even some players have had enough.. |
The booing is wrong because it sends out the wrong message and people will interpret it as they want to. I don’t see anything good coming from it and would be disappointed if Swans fans did it because the media would take it and twist it to fit their narrative. I would rather people chant “Kick It Out” to show that they are on board with the message but not the politics.
The problem with politics in sport is the fan isn’t asked their opinion on it, so this leads to them making such displays as they feel voiceless. Nobody is interviewing fans or asking their opinions on the political side of sport that has come out of nowhere, this is how some will react to it, others just won’t tune in as the NBA found.
But Loh is spot on what he says there. | |
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| Colchester fans now on 22:16 - Dec 7 with 1297 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Colchester fans now on 22:11 - Dec 7 by jasper_T |
Can only hope our club takes the same stance. Otherwise it really is just another empty gesture and the racists get to pat themselves on the back and feel comfortable again. |
It’s become an empty gesture anyway, didn’t Les Ferdinand ask QPR to stop doing it?
I’m not against doing it by any stretch, I certainly wouldn’t dream of booing, but I’m not sure what it’s achieving at the moment, kneeling before every game, and then not taking any action on Cavani’s Instagram post for example seems pretty stupid to me and backs up Les Ferdinand’s point. |  | | |
| Colchester fans now on 22:16 - Dec 7 with 1298 views | angryjack |
| Colchester fans now on 22:11 - Dec 7 by jasper_T |
Can only hope our club takes the same stance. Otherwise it really is just another empty gesture and the racists get to pat themselves on the back and feel comfortable again. |
Nothing to do with racism.they have made their point every game since June,time to stop now as its starting to divide opinion and making it worse | | | |
| Colchester fans now on 22:17 - Dec 7 with 1296 views | Andy1300 |
| Colchester fans now on 22:11 - Dec 7 by jasper_T |
Can only hope our club takes the same stance. Otherwise it really is just another empty gesture and the racists get to pat themselves on the back and feel comfortable again. |
There you go, ‘racists’ dear me. | |
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| Colchester fans now on 22:24 - Dec 7 with 1281 views | jasper_T |
| Colchester fans now on 22:17 - Dec 7 by Andy1300 |
There you go, ‘racists’ dear me. |
You think Millwall deciding not to take a knee in their next game isn't a big win for the racists in the crowd the other day? MPs coming out and declaring that those booing "have to be respected". It's sickening it really is.
A few weeks ago I would have said they might as well stop taking a knee now as the point had been made and the protests the players were showing solidarity with had faded away (the US election result playing a part no doubt). Now it's becoming clear how important it is to keep hammering the message, especially in ways that upset the "I'd be okay with a quick banner or something but not anything noticeable or impactful" idiots. | | | |
| Colchester fans now on 22:26 - Dec 7 with 1276 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Colchester fans now on 21:34 - Dec 7 by Badlands |
It says a lot if fans stay away from games because players kneel down before a game to support fair play, equality and signify an abhorrence of racism.
Do you also support the banning of poppies on shirts in November? |
No other sports put poppies on their shirts as far as I know. It started a while back and has become a psuedo compulsory ritual. Anyone who declines for whatever reason will face public abuse. Broadcasters could potentially lose their jobs.
BLM symbols were worn on shirts of PL clubs and badges worn by Sky presenters. This was not announced to your average Millwall fan. The players showed their respect for BLM marxist beliefs by taking the knee. Any player objecting to the BLM would have faced public humiliation and possilbe sacking. Had fans objected to the BLM in the stadium they would hve been banned.
At some point the FA and broadcasters decided BLM was not suitable and changed track. The shirts were destroyed. It is not clear who decided this
Sometime over the summer the FA declared the "taking the knee" was no longer a BLM gestures and now about something else. By that time this powerful gesture was engrained in the public concousness as being "anti Police brutality" primarlily against Blacks in the USA. It is aligned to the BLM whether they like it or not. The FA does not own this gesture and never will.
Be clear if you object to the new FA definition "of taking the knee" (whatever it now means) you will be banned for life.
There are three things fans have to be aware of. According to FIFA rules none should be seen at football amtches. Fans have a right to object. |  |
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| Colchester fans now on 22:32 - Dec 7 with 1271 views | Glossolalia |
| Colchester fans now on 22:26 - Dec 7 by ReslovenSwan1 |
No other sports put poppies on their shirts as far as I know. It started a while back and has become a psuedo compulsory ritual. Anyone who declines for whatever reason will face public abuse. Broadcasters could potentially lose their jobs.
BLM symbols were worn on shirts of PL clubs and badges worn by Sky presenters. This was not announced to your average Millwall fan. The players showed their respect for BLM marxist beliefs by taking the knee. Any player objecting to the BLM would have faced public humiliation and possilbe sacking. Had fans objected to the BLM in the stadium they would hve been banned.
At some point the FA and broadcasters decided BLM was not suitable and changed track. The shirts were destroyed. It is not clear who decided this
Sometime over the summer the FA declared the "taking the knee" was no longer a BLM gestures and now about something else. By that time this powerful gesture was engrained in the public concousness as being "anti Police brutality" primarlily against Blacks in the USA. It is aligned to the BLM whether they like it or not. The FA does not own this gesture and never will.
Be clear if you object to the new FA definition "of taking the knee" (whatever it now means) you will be banned for life.
There are three things fans have to be aware of. According to FIFA rules none should be seen at football amtches. Fans have a right to object. |
Correct. Listening on the radio before kick off, it seems commentators call it a stand against racism etc, without mentioning BLM. I listen to a lot of radio too.
There's an awareness by those in charge that taking the knee has intolerable political undertones for many.
Millwall fans booing was the match that lit the paper. This was always going to be the case and I'll guess that soon, no clubs will be taking the knee. It simply took a moment impossible to ignore - fans back in stadiums.
It fits the narrative that the booing was racist. But how else can a group of people show displeasure in that context? Is fits the narrative that a new show of solidarity will be made to quieten the 'racists', and not because there's a realisation that kneeling has always been somewhat contentious.
And I bet the powers are quietly relieved by this. They have their scapegoat - average, normal people sick of the politicisation of the sport they love. A few morons and racists, granted. Every club has those. But remember it could be us being vilified. [Post edited 7 Dec 2020 22:47]
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| Colchester fans now on 22:47 - Dec 7 with 1245 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Colchester fans now on 22:24 - Dec 7 by jasper_T |
You think Millwall deciding not to take a knee in their next game isn't a big win for the racists in the crowd the other day? MPs coming out and declaring that those booing "have to be respected". It's sickening it really is.
A few weeks ago I would have said they might as well stop taking a knee now as the point had been made and the protests the players were showing solidarity with had faded away (the US election result playing a part no doubt). Now it's becoming clear how important it is to keep hammering the message, especially in ways that upset the "I'd be okay with a quick banner or something but not anything noticeable or impactful" idiots. |
You quoted that as if someone had said it, that’s very dishonest of you.
How is kneeling impactful? Impactful in what way? Isn’t the goal to get everyone on the same page striving for the same goal? I would say it’s been the opposite of impactful and decidedly harmful if that’s the case.
Why is holding up a kick it out banner not noticeable or impactful? Again this is more evidence to me that people’s goal is conflict and not unity. Which is the complete opposite of what they are claiming they want to achieve.
If you don’t think a massive Kick it Out banner is noticeable then feel free to suggest some other ideas. But I’m just confused as to why the only way you think it can be done is by adopting an extremist political stance deep rooted in intolerance and wild and divisive political rhetoric that obviously not everyone agrees with? | |
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| Colchester fans now on 22:50 - Dec 7 with 1241 views | jasper_T |
The poppy is of course a political statement (just ask James McClean), and has been pushed more and more in recent years with the meaning of Remembrance twisted from the old "never again" concept to a strange worship of war the "blitz spirit" that you often see spouted from people who are a generation too young to have ever fought in a war. I forget which football club put out a commemorative kit this ear with a bomber on it ffs. | | | |
| Colchester fans now on 22:56 - Dec 7 with 1220 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Colchester fans now on 22:50 - Dec 7 by jasper_T |
The poppy is of course a political statement (just ask James McClean), and has been pushed more and more in recent years with the meaning of Remembrance twisted from the old "never again" concept to a strange worship of war the "blitz spirit" that you often see spouted from people who are a generation too young to have ever fought in a war. I forget which football club put out a commemorative kit this ear with a bomber on it ffs. |
This guy - Jasper T - he knows stuff ðŸ‘ðŸ‘
✌🾠BLM
Glad our Swans are on the right side of history.
Proud - and so should you be. |  |
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| Colchester fans now on 22:59 - Dec 7 with 1221 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Colchester fans now on 22:56 - Dec 7 by Kilkennyjack |
This guy - Jasper T - he knows stuff ðŸ‘ðŸ‘
✌🾠BLM
Glad our Swans are on the right side of history.
Proud - and so should you be. |
History will show clearly that 2020 was horrific for many obvious reasons, including the racial and divisive rhetoric stirred up and instigated by BLM inc. | |
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