| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style 08:20 - Feb 21 with 2441 views | guthrieintherain |
Just playing devils advocate here.
We clearly don't have the players to play his system.
Is he hoping a club with money to spend and better players will take a punt on him.
Basically putting his future ahead of us winning games.
I have a feeling the players are starting to lose faith in him.
The last 3 away performances have been dreadful.
Are they downing tools away from home.
Because let's be honest if they put in the same effort at home games the atmosphere would turn toxic.
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| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 08:30 - Feb 21 with 1767 views | STID2017 |
I agree we do not have the players to play his style and he needs to adapt.
I do not believe the players would down tools away from home.
If they lost belief in him then I think that would show at home as well
I think the players have collectively turned in three very poor away performances, however the buck stops with Martin.
Agree that if they played like that at home the atmosphere would be awful |  |
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| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 08:36 - Feb 21 with 1756 views | KeithHaynes |
Correct he hasn’t got the tools. |  |
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| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 08:41 - Feb 21 with 1752 views | guthrieintherain |
| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 08:36 - Feb 21 by KeithHaynes |
Correct he hasn’t got the tools. |
So he needs to do something different then Keith.
Saturday was a step to far we are too easy to play against.
Could of been 6 or 7. | |
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| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 08:50 - Feb 21 with 1735 views | Dr_Parnassus |
When will the penny drop? by Dr_Parnassus 18 Aug 2021 0:44Everything that was warned about with regards to switching to a style that the players aren’t suited to is now visible to most. There is a very good reason we didn’t start trying to be Brazil of the 1970’s over the last 2 seasons… and as a result saw the side be one of the best in the league… it’s because the manager realised the limitations of the squad and played to their strengths. That’s management.
I am wondering at what point the collective penny will drop that we cannot continue to play this way UNTIL we have the squad capable to do it. The Championship is too strong a league to be doing that, last time we got to this level we were a slick, well oiled machine with players capable of playing Premier League football in Dyer, Williams, Rangel and Britton. That spine would go on to win the League Cup, finish top half in the Premier League and perform well in Europe…. A championship spine it was not.
We had the players with ability leagues above the level they were playing at meaning we could afford to take some risks with regards to playing style. A nearing prime Leon Britton in league 1 seems a bit laughable now doesn’t it? That’s because it was.
The situation sadly is not the same today. We need to play to our strengths, get some points on the board, get the players in that we need and slowly incorporate the system you want. People talk of long term plans… and then change a system overnight?! We will get slaughtered at this level.
How about that actually becomes the longer term plan touted about and we slowly implement it while protecting our Championship status? Too mad an idea?
We do not want to lose our league position and drop down to league 1 as I see some people now happily stating they wouldn’t mind. I find that sad to read and extremely naive.
Relegation won’t mean us having an easy season to test this style against, we will lose even more players, have less income to replace them and the spiral continues. It’s an arrogant point of view to think relegation can be handled easily by the club.
Relegation is not a positive option and the fact we have gone from play offs to the Premier League to accepting the realities and the weighing up of pros and cons of League 1 football in such a short space of time should tell you something ain’t right.
I like Russell Martin, I think he has a good future in the game, my issue is not with him and I hope he stays for a long time to build something. My issue is with the attitude surrounding everything at the moment that we must play a certain way immediately, regardless of the damage it will cause.
https://i.ibb.co/gWwrpzX/F9297-C5-C-ED4-E-4-E65-84-EF-36623-F331352.jpg
August 18th I created this thread. I was hammered for it.
Have a read through, it’s like it could have been written yesterday. |  |
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| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 09:02 - Feb 21 with 1718 views | guthrieintherain |
| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 08:50 - Feb 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
When will the penny drop? by Dr_Parnassus 18 Aug 2021 0:44Everything that was warned about with regards to switching to a style that the players aren’t suited to is now visible to most. There is a very good reason we didn’t start trying to be Brazil of the 1970’s over the last 2 seasons… and as a result saw the side be one of the best in the league… it’s because the manager realised the limitations of the squad and played to their strengths. That’s management.
I am wondering at what point the collective penny will drop that we cannot continue to play this way UNTIL we have the squad capable to do it. The Championship is too strong a league to be doing that, last time we got to this level we were a slick, well oiled machine with players capable of playing Premier League football in Dyer, Williams, Rangel and Britton. That spine would go on to win the League Cup, finish top half in the Premier League and perform well in Europe…. A championship spine it was not.
We had the players with ability leagues above the level they were playing at meaning we could afford to take some risks with regards to playing style. A nearing prime Leon Britton in league 1 seems a bit laughable now doesn’t it? That’s because it was.
The situation sadly is not the same today. We need to play to our strengths, get some points on the board, get the players in that we need and slowly incorporate the system you want. People talk of long term plans… and then change a system overnight?! We will get slaughtered at this level.
How about that actually becomes the longer term plan touted about and we slowly implement it while protecting our Championship status? Too mad an idea?
We do not want to lose our league position and drop down to league 1 as I see some people now happily stating they wouldn’t mind. I find that sad to read and extremely naive.
Relegation won’t mean us having an easy season to test this style against, we will lose even more players, have less income to replace them and the spiral continues. It’s an arrogant point of view to think relegation can be handled easily by the club.
Relegation is not a positive option and the fact we have gone from play offs to the Premier League to accepting the realities and the weighing up of pros and cons of League 1 football in such a short space of time should tell you something ain’t right.
I like Russell Martin, I think he has a good future in the game, my issue is not with him and I hope he stays for a long time to build something. My issue is with the attitude surrounding everything at the moment that we must play a certain way immediately, regardless of the damage it will cause.
https://i.ibb.co/gWwrpzX/F9297-C5-C-ED4-E-4-E65-84-EF-36623-F331352.jpg
August 18th I created this thread. I was hammered for it.
Have a read through, it’s like it could have been written yesterday. |
Yes that's a good post but 2 weeks into the season | |
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| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 09:03 - Feb 21 with 1717 views | STID2017 |
| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 08:50 - Feb 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
When will the penny drop? by Dr_Parnassus 18 Aug 2021 0:44Everything that was warned about with regards to switching to a style that the players aren’t suited to is now visible to most. There is a very good reason we didn’t start trying to be Brazil of the 1970’s over the last 2 seasons… and as a result saw the side be one of the best in the league… it’s because the manager realised the limitations of the squad and played to their strengths. That’s management.
I am wondering at what point the collective penny will drop that we cannot continue to play this way UNTIL we have the squad capable to do it. The Championship is too strong a league to be doing that, last time we got to this level we were a slick, well oiled machine with players capable of playing Premier League football in Dyer, Williams, Rangel and Britton. That spine would go on to win the League Cup, finish top half in the Premier League and perform well in Europe…. A championship spine it was not.
We had the players with ability leagues above the level they were playing at meaning we could afford to take some risks with regards to playing style. A nearing prime Leon Britton in league 1 seems a bit laughable now doesn’t it? That’s because it was.
The situation sadly is not the same today. We need to play to our strengths, get some points on the board, get the players in that we need and slowly incorporate the system you want. People talk of long term plans… and then change a system overnight?! We will get slaughtered at this level.
How about that actually becomes the longer term plan touted about and we slowly implement it while protecting our Championship status? Too mad an idea?
We do not want to lose our league position and drop down to league 1 as I see some people now happily stating they wouldn’t mind. I find that sad to read and extremely naive.
Relegation won’t mean us having an easy season to test this style against, we will lose even more players, have less income to replace them and the spiral continues. It’s an arrogant point of view to think relegation can be handled easily by the club.
Relegation is not a positive option and the fact we have gone from play offs to the Premier League to accepting the realities and the weighing up of pros and cons of League 1 football in such a short space of time should tell you something ain’t right.
I like Russell Martin, I think he has a good future in the game, my issue is not with him and I hope he stays for a long time to build something. My issue is with the attitude surrounding everything at the moment that we must play a certain way immediately, regardless of the damage it will cause.
https://i.ibb.co/gWwrpzX/F9297-C5-C-ED4-E-4-E65-84-EF-36623-F331352.jpg
August 18th I created this thread. I was hammered for it.
Have a read through, it’s like it could have been written yesterday. |
Must be great to be right all the time eh ?
Unlike us mere mortals ...
A little humility sometimes wouldn't hurt
We can all see what is going wrong, but gloating about it is not good | |
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| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 09:04 - Feb 21 with 1714 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 09:02 - Feb 21 by guthrieintherain |
Yes that's a good post but 2 weeks into the season |
I addressed that in post #3 on that thread.
''These points aren’t time specific, they are process specific. The points that we should have the players that can implement a style before actually implementing it is a point that can be made after 2 days or 2 years, that notion doesn’t change with time.
In fact I was saying this last year as a reason why we don’t play that way. This isn’t an opinion I have developed after 2 weeks, it’s an opinion that has always been true and will continue to be so. ''
Sadly it was glaringly obvious even back then. Nothing has changed. [Post edited 21 Feb 2022 9:07]
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| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 09:06 - Feb 21 with 1710 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 09:03 - Feb 21 by STID2017 |
Must be great to be right all the time eh ?
Unlike us mere mortals ...
A little humility sometimes wouldn't hurt
We can all see what is going wrong, but gloating about it is not good |
Wouldn't describe it as great, to me these things are glaringly obvious so it is no surprise when they are proven accurate.
As for humility, people like myself and those who have agreed with me have been attacked on a weekly basis. Humility went out the window long ago I'm afraid. | |
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| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 09:12 - Feb 21 with 1696 views | STID2017 |
| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 09:06 - Feb 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
Wouldn't describe it as great, to me these things are glaringly obvious so it is no surprise when they are proven accurate.
As for humility, people like myself and those who have agreed with me have been attacked on a weekly basis. Humility went out the window long ago I'm afraid. |
Not sure attacked is the right word.
Think you take it all a bit to seriously.
However I would say no one likes a "know it all" who digs up posts from the past just to show other posters how right he was.
Could be seen by some as revelling in the club's on the field struggles perhaps ? | |
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| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 09:14 - Feb 21 with 1690 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 09:12 - Feb 21 by STID2017 |
Not sure attacked is the right word.
Think you take it all a bit to seriously.
However I would say no one likes a "know it all" who digs up posts from the past just to show other posters how right he was.
Could be seen by some as revelling in the club's on the field struggles perhaps ? |
That is of course what someone would say after reveling in attacking fans of the club.
I mentioned that a few weeks ago. Attacking fans for having an opinion with the fall back of stating they are reveling in it if they respond to you. Trolling 101.
Attacked is definitely the right word.
Whether people ''like'' accurate views is neither here nor there, I am not going to give opinions I think will end up being wrong just to please the likes of you and your gang who have a complex for anyone with an ounce of football nouse. | |
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| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 09:15 - Feb 21 with 1688 views | onehunglow |
| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 09:06 - Feb 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
Wouldn't describe it as great, to me these things are glaringly obvious so it is no surprise when they are proven accurate.
As for humility, people like myself and those who have agreed with me have been attacked on a weekly basis. Humility went out the window long ago I'm afraid. |
It’s been said of my not humble self I hated Martin from the start l
That s fair comment .
The evidence of his incompetence is right in people s faces .
We have had
No pre season
Injuries
Wrong players
COVID.
We were gifting a bare Blackburn side in August. Blackburn could at that time barely put out any tea.
Now, see what an experienced man in Mowbray has done.
I’m guessing Blackburn fans are happier than ours . | |
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| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 09:17 - Feb 21 with 1686 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 09:15 - Feb 21 by onehunglow |
It’s been said of my not humble self I hated Martin from the start l
That s fair comment .
The evidence of his incompetence is right in people s faces .
We have had
No pre season
Injuries
Wrong players
COVID.
We were gifting a bare Blackburn side in August. Blackburn could at that time barely put out any tea.
Now, see what an experienced man in Mowbray has done.
I’m guessing Blackburn fans are happier than ours . |
People enjoy giving it out on a weekly basis then recoil in horror when people point out that the views they are attacking are correct.
Suck it up is my advice to them, improve their reading of the game, learn from those that are able to give such views and generally be better.
Crying about it won't help. | |
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| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 09:21 - Feb 21 with 1675 views | onehunglow |
| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 09:17 - Feb 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
People enjoy giving it out on a weekly basis then recoil in horror when people point out that the views they are attacking are correct.
Suck it up is my advice to them, improve their reading of the game, learn from those that are able to give such views and generally be better.
Crying about it won't help. |
Evening.
I get the impression they seem to think we enjoy this .
I wish they could look at my face ,better still speak to my missus about how angry and upset I am.
It’s the unrelenting duplicitous garbage spouting from Russy ,the delusional plan and style he is trying to implement .
Goalkeeper passing the ball three yards isn’t style of play just suicide
Potter loved the city ,fans,club etc and was soon offski when it suited him.
Martin will do the same and blame lack of support | |
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| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 09:36 - Feb 21 with 1665 views | STID2017 |
| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 09:21 - Feb 21 by onehunglow |
Evening.
I get the impression they seem to think we enjoy this .
I wish they could look at my face ,better still speak to my missus about how angry and upset I am.
It’s the unrelenting duplicitous garbage spouting from Russy ,the delusional plan and style he is trying to implement .
Goalkeeper passing the ball three yards isn’t style of play just suicide
Potter loved the city ,fans,club etc and was soon offski when it suited him.
Martin will do the same and blame lack of support |
Difference is though, whilst we disagree on our position on Martin, it is clear you are not enjoying seeing us struggling.
The good doctor actually revels in it and enjoys digging up posts from August and saying " I told you so "
No true fan would enjoy our current position nor would he enjoy gloating about how "perspective" he was one week into the season | |
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| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 09:50 - Feb 21 with 1655 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 09:21 - Feb 21 by onehunglow |
Evening.
I get the impression they seem to think we enjoy this .
I wish they could look at my face ,better still speak to my missus about how angry and upset I am.
It’s the unrelenting duplicitous garbage spouting from Russy ,the delusional plan and style he is trying to implement .
Goalkeeper passing the ball three yards isn’t style of play just suicide
Potter loved the city ,fans,club etc and was soon offski when it suited him.
Martin will do the same and blame lack of support |
They don't really, it's a defence mechanism.
The immediate reaction is to continue to attack instead of apologise and admit error. ''You are enjoying it'' is old hat and been done to death the second someone is proven accurate.
Trolls have frequented these boards and behaved this way since they started and will continue to do so. It's what they do. | |
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| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 10:04 - Feb 21 with 1629 views | onehunglow |
| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 09:36 - Feb 21 by STID2017 |
Difference is though, whilst we disagree on our position on Martin, it is clear you are not enjoying seeing us struggling.
The good doctor actually revels in it and enjoys digging up posts from August and saying " I told you so "
No true fan would enjoy our current position nor would he enjoy gloating about how "perspective" he was one week into the season |
Gloating my arris. You need to do better. | |
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| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 10:04 - Feb 21 with 1631 views | jasper_T |
| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 08:36 - Feb 21 by KeithHaynes |
Correct he hasn’t got the tools. |
Not sure the tools are available. The blueprints look wonky to me. | | | |
| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 10:11 - Feb 21 with 1616 views | onehunglow |
Oh but he has the tools .
He has a decent goalkeeper, half decent defenders, skilful midfielders and some pace.
Trouble is Russ dumps them or messes them about.
It is nothing to do with the tools he has available
That said, he might have had sharper tools had he not brought in injured and previously injured players and kids who are barely of voting age | |
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| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 10:20 - Feb 21 with 1608 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 10:04 - Feb 21 by onehunglow |
Gloating my arris. You need to do better. |
It's all they have left. It really is just that. | |
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| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 10:46 - Feb 21 with 1561 views | builthjack |
Blunt tools produce a poor job. |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 10:48 - Feb 21 with 1568 views | nantywatcher |
| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 10:20 - Feb 21 by Dr_Parnassus |
It's all they have left. It really is just that. |
I'm not gloating - I would love it if our second rate bullshi**ing manager had an epiphany and suddenly knew what he was doing. However Mr Winter has given him carte blanche and enough funds for any half decent manager to have us comfortably in the top six. I cannot imagine our Russ will ever be any better than second rate, he needs to stand up and admit he has made a complete cock up of his first six months and have a massive rethink. I will not be gloating tomorrow night, I will be hoping to see something like the second half against Bristol City, wishing and hoping. | | | |
| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 10:52 - Feb 21 with 1557 views | vetchonian |
| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 10:46 - Feb 21 by builthjack |
Blunt tools produce a poor job. |
What is that saying again about poor workmen and tools? | |
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| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 11:03 - Feb 21 with 1548 views | guthrieintherain |
| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 10:52 - Feb 21 by vetchonian |
What is that saying again about poor workmen and tools? |
So why won't he adapt then just had a quick read through and can't see an explanation.
Is it because he has a big ego and is stubborn as a mule. | |
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| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 14:06 - Feb 21 with 1486 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 11:03 - Feb 21 by guthrieintherain |
So why won't he adapt then just had a quick read through and can't see an explanation.
Is it because he has a big ego and is stubborn as a mule. |
I fear this might be the case. I had my head in my hands during the first half against Bristol city with all the pressure we were heaping on ourselves.
It’s fine to play passing football but you have to be able to adapt and overcome when teams won’t let you play the way you want to.
It’s a crying shame because we have good players - if we carry on in this vein we’ll lose Piroe without him ever reaching his full potential here. |  |
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| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 14:40 - Feb 21 with 1465 views | EagleEye |
| Why is Russ not adapting our playing style on 09:15 - Feb 21 by onehunglow |
It’s been said of my not humble self I hated Martin from the start l
That s fair comment .
The evidence of his incompetence is right in people s faces .
We have had
No pre season
Injuries
Wrong players
COVID.
We were gifting a bare Blackburn side in August. Blackburn could at that time barely put out any tea.
Now, see what an experienced man in Mowbray has done.
I’m guessing Blackburn fans are happier than ours . |
I’m not sure portraying Mowbray as an example of a manager that makes fans happy is true. Remember he struggled at his hometown club (Boro) even with all the financial backing that he had there.
Before Blackburn played us he openly stated that he had tried to implement a possession type game for 2 seasons at Blackburn. They finished mid table twice. He has now changed his set up to try & make them more of a counterattacking side. We won’t know until the end of the season if that is going to be successful, they didn’t look like promotion contenders based on their performance in Swansea.
He is in his third season at Blackburn, let’s hope it doesn’t take Martin as long to review his approach with the players available to him |  | | |
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