| Is this the end for Rugby ? 18:25 - Jul 25 with 3224 views | KeithHaynes |
Former Wales rugby captain, Ryan Jones, is part of a group of players diagnosed with early-onset dementia and other irreversible neurological impairments looking to sue the sport's governing bodies. A legal case is being issued by Rylands Law against World Rugby, the Rugby Football Union and the Welsh Rugby Union.
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| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 18:30 - Jul 25 with 1817 views | Dr_Winston |
I suspect a lot of it has to do with the mentality of the players themselves unfortunately. For years Rugby has presented itself as a "macho" sport. Playing on with torn ears and concussions was usually seen as the done thing to do, often with a snide aside to "kissballers" whilst they were at it. Chuck in the ever increasing size of players as skill loses importance against power and the impact becomes even bigger.
Unless they've got evidence that the Governing bodies knew there was a risk and didn't inform them or tried to cover it up as was the case with the NFL then I don't know how much legs this case has. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 18:32 - Jul 25 with 1814 views | 73__73 |
Keith, many people who have never touched a rugby ball in their lives also develop these conditions.
The worlds gone absolutely mad. The woke brigade I blame. Rugby is a tough sport, if you are worried about getting hurt, don’t play and take up tiddlywinks instead. |  |
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| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 18:36 - Jul 25 with 1790 views | Whiterockin |
| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 18:32 - Jul 25 by 73__73 |
Keith, many people who have never touched a rugby ball in their lives also develop these conditions.
The worlds gone absolutely mad. The woke brigade I blame. Rugby is a tough sport, if you are worried about getting hurt, don’t play and take up tiddlywinks instead. |
Would you say that to children as well, often encouraged by their parents. |  | | |
| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 18:39 - Jul 25 with 1780 views | KeithHaynes |
| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 18:32 - Jul 25 by 73__73 |
Keith, many people who have never touched a rugby ball in their lives also develop these conditions.
The worlds gone absolutely mad. The woke brigade I blame. Rugby is a tough sport, if you are worried about getting hurt, don’t play and take up tiddlywinks instead. |
Just being a moderately average footballer but ok, I played rugby at what would be considered a decent level. I see your point and know nobody personally who has suffered life injury that has been proven. Although I have played in two games where the injured person either died on the pitch or a few days later.
But from broken necks. | |
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| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 18:39 - Jul 25 with 1780 views | raynor94 |
| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 18:32 - Jul 25 by 73__73 |
Keith, many people who have never touched a rugby ball in their lives also develop these conditions.
The worlds gone absolutely mad. The woke brigade I blame. Rugby is a tough sport, if you are worried about getting hurt, don’t play and take up tiddlywinks instead. |
Getting numerous concussions isn't being tough.
This never happened in the 70s, and 80s its just like American football now without the protection |  |
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| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 18:41 - Jul 25 with 1765 views | 73__73 |
| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 18:36 - Jul 25 by Whiterockin |
Would you say that to children as well, often encouraged by their parents. |
I played rugby in school. You had no choice so did thousands of other children.
It was overall a positive thing to do. It won’t be long before rugby is banned in schools.
Life itself is one big risk. If we didn’t take risks we would never have gone to the moon and would still be living in caves. | |
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| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 18:43 - Jul 25 with 1755 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 18:39 - Jul 25 by raynor94 |
Getting numerous concussions isn't being tough.
This never happened in the 70s, and 80s its just like American football now without the protection |
You're right and that is not how the long will see it. It's not my area, but the test it
Defendant owes the complainant a duty of care
That Duty was breached
That breach resulted in the injury
The injury was 'reasonably foreseeable'
I may well be a long time out of date but that's what it was in 97, when I did my degree.
Here, I'd say all those were breached.
It's nothing to do with 'manning up' There's plenty of rugby players from back in the day who are more or less crippled now., World Rugby has encouraged the bigger players and bigger hits, with players coming back on, clearly not fit.
I speak as someone who loves rugby as my favourite sport |  | | |
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| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 18:44 - Jul 25 with 1746 views | Whiterockin |
| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 18:41 - Jul 25 by 73__73 |
I played rugby in school. You had no choice so did thousands of other children.
It was overall a positive thing to do. It won’t be long before rugby is banned in schools.
Life itself is one big risk. If we didn’t take risks we would never have gone to the moon and would still be living in caves. |
Agreed, but some parents are obsessive when their children are playing. | | | |
| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 18:48 - Jul 25 with 1720 views | 73__73 |
| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 18:43 - Jul 25 by Sirjohnalot |
You're right and that is not how the long will see it. It's not my area, but the test it
Defendant owes the complainant a duty of care
That Duty was breached
That breach resulted in the injury
The injury was 'reasonably foreseeable'
I may well be a long time out of date but that's what it was in 97, when I did my degree.
Here, I'd say all those were breached.
It's nothing to do with 'manning up' There's plenty of rugby players from back in the day who are more or less crippled now., World Rugby has encouraged the bigger players and bigger hits, with players coming back on, clearly not fit.
I speak as someone who loves rugby as my favourite sport |
How can they prove they wouldn’t have developed these conditions if the hadn’t played rugby, when people who don’t play any contact sport also develop them. | |
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| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 18:51 - Jul 25 with 1703 views | KeithHaynes |
| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 18:48 - Jul 25 by 73__73 |
How can they prove they wouldn’t have developed these conditions if the hadn’t played rugby, when people who don’t play any contact sport also develop them. |
That’s the test case in this.
A civil matter, balance of probability. | |
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| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 19:04 - Jul 25 with 1668 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 18:48 - Jul 25 by 73__73 |
How can they prove they wouldn’t have developed these conditions if the hadn’t played rugby, when people who don’t play any contact sport also develop them. |
I'm guessing, as I don't do PI, but it is about what is reasonably forseeable and the link between the two, otherwise, you could say 'how do you know smoking causes cancer as people who don't smoke get it'
If they can show that 'A' had numerous concussions and blows to the head and that they caused or contributed to it, which I would imagine an expert could do, they'll win. RJ is very very young to have such an injury. He may have developed it in his 80s, but not in his 30s, that's how the compensation is calculated | | | |
| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 19:53 - Jul 25 with 1592 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 19:04 - Jul 25 by Sirjohnalot |
I'm guessing, as I don't do PI, but it is about what is reasonably forseeable and the link between the two, otherwise, you could say 'how do you know smoking causes cancer as people who don't smoke get it'
If they can show that 'A' had numerous concussions and blows to the head and that they caused or contributed to it, which I would imagine an expert could do, they'll win. RJ is very very young to have such an injury. He may have developed it in his 80s, but not in his 30s, that's how the compensation is calculated |
There is a large body of evidence that says that the incidence of injury has increased as players get bigger and faster. Here's one piece that goes back to 2010. One of the tests of failing a duty of care in employment law, I know a little bit about this, is the failure to act when an employer is or should be aware of a specific risk to an employee's wellbeing.
This article highlights that injuries are more severe the higher you go up the pyramid and that concussions account for 50 percent of head injuries. So just on this article there is some evidence of a well defined risk, I guess the question for the court is about the rugby authorities acting within their duty of care in response to all the emerging evidence?
https://bmjopen.bmj.com/conten [Post edited 25 Jul 2022 19:58]
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| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 20:02 - Jul 25 with 1571 views | CountyJim |
I blame steroids |  | | |
| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 20:03 - Jul 25 with 1565 views | britferry |
| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 18:39 - Jul 25 by raynor94 |
Getting numerous concussions isn't being tough.
This never happened in the 70s, and 80s its just like American football now without the protection |
Merv the Swerve? | |
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| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 20:11 - Jul 25 with 1550 views | raynor94 |
| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 20:03 - Jul 25 by britferry |
Merv the Swerve? |
Wasn't that a haemorrhage? | |
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| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 20:14 - Jul 25 with 1547 views | onehunglow |
| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 20:02 - Jul 25 by CountyJim |
I blame steroids |
If it is the death of rugby,many in Wales will celebrate it and that will leave us with just one professional sport to follow.
The anti eggers must be creaming themselves
It should certainly see the end of boxing at all levels. [Post edited 25 Jul 2022 20:16]
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| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 20:29 - Jul 25 with 1518 views | KeithHaynes |
| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 20:14 - Jul 25 by onehunglow |
If it is the death of rugby,many in Wales will celebrate it and that will leave us with just one professional sport to follow.
The anti eggers must be creaming themselves
It should certainly see the end of boxing at all levels. [Post edited 25 Jul 2022 20:16]
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I don’t know anyone who is anti rugby, but the situation for rugby itself is going to be dramatic. If this becomes law. | |
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| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 20:32 - Jul 25 with 1515 views | onehunglow |
| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 20:29 - Jul 25 by KeithHaynes |
I don’t know anyone who is anti rugby, but the situation for rugby itself is going to be dramatic. If this becomes law. |
I do.
Plenty see it as a threat to football.
Rugby was forced on u at Grammar Schools and many detested that.I did. I played for a village team ay Rugby and played football too.
The games skills can be transferred. | |
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| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 20:41 - Jul 25 with 1506 views | Togg |
Our of curiosity. How will boxing fare? | | | |
| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 20:46 - Jul 25 with 1495 views | onehunglow |
| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 20:41 - Jul 25 by Togg |
Our of curiosity. How will boxing fare? |
Ive raised that point.
Sking can be lethal
Any motor sport can kill you.
Gymnastics can seriously damage .
As for cycling...reflect in this years TdF | |
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| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 20:46 - Jul 25 with 1495 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 20:41 - Jul 25 by Togg |
Our of curiosity. How will boxing fare? |
Situation could be different there as the point is to hit the person as hard as possible, therefore contributory negligence would be huge (again I may be completely wrong ) | | | |
| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 20:48 - Jul 25 with 1490 views | onehunglow |
| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 20:46 - Jul 25 by Sirjohnalot |
Situation could be different there as the point is to hit the person as hard as possible, therefore contributory negligence would be huge (again I may be completely wrong ) |
But there are ancillary matters with boxing not least the damage caused and whether a fight is stopped in time. | |
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| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 21:16 - Jul 25 with 1472 views | britferry |
| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 20:11 - Jul 25 by raynor94 |
Wasn't that a haemorrhage? |
yeah I think it was but how many whacks on the head would he receive in a season? | |
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| Is this the end for Rugby ? on 21:19 - Jul 25 with 1466 views | Dr_Winston |
The differences are that:
A - In boxing, as in all combat sports, competitors know from the off that there's a chance of getting knocked unconscious. Indeed, that is the point of it. Hard to blame a Governing body in that instance.
B - Once a boxer is knocked down for ten seconds it's over. They're not encouraged to carry on fighting, which wasn't the case until very recently in Rugby. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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